[ctdonath2]

"Paperien, bitte" (papers, please) not long ago was a keyword for the worst of government oppression - all movement & activity, even existence, hinged on one having the correct ID and permission papers on demand. It was a hallmark of Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, and a host of other oppressive governments.

Now the "driver's license" is being turned de-facto into the same thing. No longer being just to indicate one's license to drive a motor vehicle, it is becoming THE national ID. If you can't show your "driver's license" (to wit: National ID card), you will increasingly be unable to function in society far beyond anything having to do with vehicular transport.

It's not about licensing drivers anymore. It's about bureaucrats & police being able to pull all your data on demand, to the point that if you don't show one on demand they'll stick you in a box until one can be created.

So much for the 4th Amendment.

[toddlintown]

Papiere, bitte. Not Paperien.

[FreedomNeocon]

Oh puhlease...

Sorry, but you sound like a 'hippie' to me with your 'how it should be' painting.

So you need an id that can be shared between states and its a HUGE deal because someone can abuse that?

National ID is just doing to driver's licenses (which ARE already used as a national ID!) what has been done in every other sector since 1970.

If that scares you, then sorry about that grandpa... but again... grow up.

Again... group up.