VIDEO -- Romney indignantly supports abortion-on-demand in 2002 gubernatorial debate

YouTube.com ^ | November 2, 2002 | Mitt Romney

[MHGinTN]

Um, nice try at dissembling, but I spoke of you and your manners, not what God thinks of you ... He doesn't consult me regarding folks on the Internet so I haven't the foggiest what He sees in you. That is none of my business.

[colorcountry]

I just got home from Bible study. Thank you for your kind words.

[restornu]

BTW our council is always being reminded to stay away from unclean things be it out right Porn or suggestive material! So BYU accepting invitations to the Las Vegas Bowl is not exposing the players, students, and fans to "suggestive material"? Think of all the money BYU and their fans have spent in Vegas and thereby supporting "Sin City"!

I would like to point out there is a lager LDS population in Nevada, which is able maintain a the Temple. Just about all cities in have sin in them!

Not much one can do in public place to control content, but one should always try to control their personal enviorment as best as possible in school, BYU, in the Homes or whereever good people meet.

So you don't like the prophecy by Joseph Smith that our US Constitution someday would be "hanging by a thread".? Is that not what is happening? Also Just because of this no LDS is allowed to run for President because of a prophecy? ***** You think something sinister is going on? Spit it out all you boogieman fears and silly ness!

Why do defensive when I ask you a simple question? First you accuse me of "slandering" you because I suggested you might think Mitt is going to rescue the US Constitution "hanging by the thread", yet now you are defending such a position.

Please don't speak for me, it was you who out of the blue took the swipe!

You left out half of the prophecy that Joseph Smith and other LDS leaders have given. Why is that? They have prophecied that not only would the Constitution "hang by a thread", but that it would be the Mormons to the rescue.

Did I really leave it out or was it you I only answered what you asked!

BTW no one has the exact wording on that prophecy and I am sure when the constitution is saved it will be ALL the good people of the Land pulling togather to do good not any single group!

If you understood free agency the Lord would never do anything against anothers will. We as a people will have to be United than the Lord will bless us!

Here's the problem. Since you evidently believe in this prophecy and that our Constitution is indeed "hanging by a thread" and there's a Mormon running for President, you are willing to support him no matter what.

I would not support Harry Reid so it has nothing to do with being LDS!

You know the last time Orrin Hatch was running and I am very fond of him, but I voted for Bush!

What happened to all of those lofty standards you are supposedly supporting? Your standards are set so high that you agree with BYU banning YouTube, yet you turn around and spout all the talking points of a guy who obviously says and does whatever he thinks he needs to for whatever position he's running for. And please spare me the "well, he had to run as a liberal in Massachusetts".

In other words he "conformed to the world" when it was convenient for him to do so.

What I observed was he lived according to his faith in his personal life, he also respeceted the law of the land as limited civil servant!

Romney was very clear to the media please do not lable me pro anything!

Which co insides with aricle of faith

12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

Due to the fact that in the state of Mass Romney had no authority over Roe v Wade one way or the other in the office of the govenor. The media knew that but most "sound bite voters!" don't know the law of their state, so Romney had to make that clear!

Today media is the devil tools to cause a lot of confusion even to those who should know better like YOU what the media was doing, we sure witness it a lot over the last 8 years with Bush!

Today if Romney was elected he would be in the position and could continue in nominating Judges to put on the court those who would over turn Roe v Wade!

Romeny had always been conservative in his personal life!

It's great to preach about "high standards".
It's even better to live by them.

Well we all have clay feet but through the Lord Jesus Christ all are able to weather this strom and not be touch if that is what one's desire is!

[restornu]

I hardly know you so I don't know what you are talking about!

[MHGinTN]

I'm very familiar with your posting at FR and your insulting methods when you don't have a clue how badly your posts have been refuted. Kind of like on this thread calling the poster's content 'jibberish' or 'rubbish' when the message was quite clear but not what you wanted to see.

[restornu]

It was jibberish to me, and I never used the word rubbish!

This person accused me of being paid and started ranting on me out the blue just because I posted some positive things about Romney.

You are funny your the one that stop by and started barking at me....

Maybe you should take a look at your own "Dale Carnegie personality" MHGinTN

[MHGinTN]

Thanks, but I'm too old and have purposely become too intolerant of things to care. And it wasn't out of the blue since I've personally witnessed your insulting methodology with colorcountry on the Mormon threads. Keep in mind that your posts are open for perhaps tens-of-thousands to read.

[restornu]

Thanks, but I'm too old and have purposely become too intolerant of things to care. And it wasn't out of the blue since I've personally witnessed your insulting methodology with colorcountry on the Mormon threads. Keep in mind that your posts are open for perhaps tens-of-thousands to read.

Hey we are never too old to change with the Lord at our side!

May I remind you that your post through the years are open for others to read you are not curmudgeon free yourself!:)

There is something I like about CC so at times emotions run deep!

[GLDNGUN]

our council is always being reminded to stay away from unclean things

Thank you. My point exactly. Then they go to the modern-day version of Sodom/Gomorrah. Which is fine, as long as they block access to YouTube! LOL What a joke.

What I observed was he lived according to his faith in his personal life, he also respeceted the law of the land as limited civil servant! Romney was very clear to the media please do not lable me pro anything! Which co insides with aricle of faith 12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law. Due to the fact that in the state of Mass Romney had no authority over Roe v Wade one way or the other in the office of the govenor. The media knew that but most "sound bite voters!" don't know the law of their state, so Romney had to make that clear!

That is a bunch of sorry excuse making. You should know better. It makes me want to gag. You try to come across as someone from a religion with such lofty, righteous standards that you won't even allow YouTube on your college campuses, then turn around and blindly support someone who is a pandering phoney! I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and thinking that you are blindly backing him because he's LDS. Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps you'll back ANYONE who "tickles your eyes", even if he has opposed what you stand for his entire political life right up until he needs your vote.

If this is the best the GOP can do and can't provide us with a true conservative - someone who has consistently upheld conservative principles as his political conviction, rather than trying to out-lib a Kennedy, then God help us!

[restornu]

our council is always being reminded to stay away from unclean things

Thank you. My point exactly. Then they go to the modern-day version of Sodom/Gomorrah. Which is fine, as long as they block access to YouTube! LOL What a joke.

I guess you like to used the Stawman argument!

What I observed was Romney lived according to his faith in his personal life, Romney also respeceted the law of the land as limited civil servant!

Romney was very clear to the media please do not lable me pro anything!

Which co insides with the

Aricles of faith 12

We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

Due to the fact that in the state of Mass Romney had no authority over Roe v Wade one way or the other in the office of the govenor.

The media knew that but most "sound bite voters!" don't know the law of their state, so Romney had to make that clear!

That is a bunch of sorry excuse making. You should know better. It makes me want to gag. You try to come across as someone from a religion with such lofty, righteous standards that you won't even allow YouTube on your college campuses, then turn around and blindly support someone who is a pandering phoney!

You tell me how he was pandering and that your real issue is that he is a Mormon?

1-Romney was very direct in telling the media don't lable me pro anything!
2-Romney Practiced his personal faith and obey the law as governor Mass!
3- Romney as Govenor have no say in what the Supreme courts ruled for ALL OF AMERICA in 1973.

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and thinking that you are blindly backing him because he's LDS.

I Don't need your permission to think and to discern!

Perhaps I'm wrong. Perhaps you'll back ANYONE who "tickles your eyes", even if he has opposed what you stand for his entire political life right up until he needs your vote.

You are out of line!

If this is the best the GOP can do and can't provide us with a true conservative - someone who has consistently upheld conservative principles as his political conviction, rather than trying to out-lib a Kennedy, then God help us!

That is your bias opinion!

I see you edit my reply

Today media is the devil tools to cause a lot of confusion even to those who should know better like YOU what the media was doing, we sure witness it a lot over the last 8 years with Bush!

Today if Romney was elected he would be in the position and could continue in nominating Judges to put on the court those who would over turn Roe v Wade!

Romeny had always been conservative in his personal life!

[GLDNGUN]

You can keep repeating the same lines over and over but your arguments are just as empty. You can't excuse Romney's stands in Massachusetts by hiding behind "well, he was just upholding the law" and then turn around and say he'll appoint judgest to overturn the law. What happened to "upholding the law?"

My issue with him being a Mormon is that he's a phoney, but many Mormons, such as yourself, will be willing to overlook his entire political track record of being a LIBERAL because he's now singing a different tune. He's "seen the light" now that he wants conservatives to vote for him.

Again, if we don't nominate a TRUE conservative - someone who has been true to his conservative convictions, we're in trouble.

[GLDNGUN]

1-Romney was very direct in telling the media don't lable me pro anything!

EXACTLY MY POINT

Is that a classic line from a slick politician, or what? In other words "don't make me take a stand! WAAAA!"

If asked if you are pro-life or pro-abortion, do you give a "don't lable me pro-anything" response?

You'll have to excuse me if I want somebody with a backbone. Somebody who will take a position, even it's unpopular at the moment, simply because it's the right thing to do.

[Andy'smom]

You might be interested in this Globe article from June, 2005:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2005/06/03/adviser_says_governor_faked_stance_on_abortion/

[GLDNGUN]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/mitt_romney_a_massachusetts_li.html

With the 2008 presidential campaign looming just on the horizon, speculation about political fortunes abounds. On the Democrat side, Lady Hillary is waiting in the wings, and the media's profilers have found their fair-haired boy in Barack Obama. On the Republican side, the picture is murkier. Often the Vice-president would be the logical choice to carry the incumbent party's torch, but Dick Cheney won't be running and, even if he did, he wouldn't win. Of course, Arizona Senator John McCain is still around, but he arouses suspicion among conservatives. Seeming worn, tired, erratic and untrustworthy, many think the old soldier should just fade away.

Enter Mitt Romney. Inching ever closer to a presidential run, the former CEO and outgoing Governor of Massachusetts is emerging as the Barack Obama of the GOP. And the analogy is apt. He has the resonant voice, the good looks, the statesman-like bearing and, going Obama two better, great hair and unobtrusive ears.

But Romney shares another commonality with Obama: He's a liberal in his party masquerading as something more palatable. Yes, sugar and spice and dealing the deck twice, that's what little politicians are made of.

As to this point, another politico he can be compared to is Al Gore. Like Gore, Romney has flip-flopped on abortion, only in the other direction. While he now claims to be pro-life, he supported legalization of the "morning-after" abortion pill, RU-486. Moreover, as recently as his 2002 run for governor his platform stated,

"The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's."

Of course, Romney says that his views have "evolved." But I strongly suspect his adaptation relates more to the evolution of political ambitions than that of conscience. Call me cynical, but unless you've been cloistered in an ancient monastery for the duration, I'm very suspicious of deep personal growth occurring between ages 55 and 59.

According to Romney, unlike himself, the "paradigm" of marriage is not "evolving," and his high profile stand against anti-marriage has garnered him much publicity of late. But here, too, Romney has been about as consistent as March weather, with a track record that belies his newfound traditionalism.

In a letter to the Log Cabin Republicans, Romney hailed Bill Clinton's "don't ask, don't tell" policy as a "step in the right direction" and "the first of a number of steps" toward homosexuals serving "openly" in the military.

Then, Brian Camenker points out the following in The Mitt Romney Deception:

- "Romney's campaign distributed pro-gay rights campaign literature during Boston's ‘Gay Pride' events," issuing pink fliers stating, "Mitt and Kerry [running mate Kerry Healey] wish you a great Pride weekend! All citizens deserve equal rights, regardless of their sexual preference."

- Romney advocated governmental recognition of homosexual adoption rights, domestic partnerships and homosexual civil unions.

- Romney opposed the Boy Scouts' policy prohibiting homosexuals from serving as scoutmasters and prevented the organization from participating publicly in the 2002 Olympics.

- The Boston Globe wrote in 2005, "Governor Mitt Romney, who touts his conservative credentials to out-of-state Republicans, has passed over GOP lawyers for three-quarters of the 36 judicial vacancies he has faced, instead tapping registered Democrats or independents - including two gay lawyers who have supported expanded same-sex rights."

- Romney promoted homosexual propaganda in Massachusetts schools through the "Governor's Commission on Gay and Lesbian Youth," funding this bureaucracy of social engineering instead of eliminating it. Thus, it's no wonder that while campaigning against Ted Kennedy in 1994, Romney said that anti-marriage "is not appropriate at this time." My guess is that the time will be right when the electorate is left.

Equally damning, though, is that in a very ominous way he can be compared to yet another infamous poseur, Hillary Clinton. On April 12, 2006, Romney signed a bill into law that creates a universal health system intrusive enough to be the envy of socialists everywhere. The plan mandates that every Ma. resident must obtain health insurance by July 1, 2007, or face a fine that could exceed 1,200 dollars a year. Of course, this scheme includes the creation of a new bureaucracy, one that will, using Big Brother's infinite wisdom, determine how much you can afford to pay. Wow, thanks for the help, Mitt. Or, is it "Vinny the Chin"? I mean, this sounds like an offer you just can't refuse.

To justify his socialist brainchild, Romney uses the argument that it is no different from requiring people to carry car insurance. Ah, speciousness, thy name is Romney. Mr. Governor, you can choose not to own a car.

Everyone must have a body.

But remember this when Romney touts his credentials as a fiscal conservative. While he may boast of his steadfast refusal to raise taxes, it rings hollow when he turns around and mandates citizen expenditures and levies fines. But liberals are adept at revenue-raising sleight-of-hand; when another tax increase would raise voter ire, they simply deem it a toll, fine, fee or, I love this one, a "surcharge." I prefer honest theft myself.

And THIS is your hero? The guy that's going to save the US Constitution as it "hangs by a thread"?

[restornu]

1-Romney was very direct in telling the media don't lable me pro anything!

EXACTLY MY POINT

Is that a classic line from a slick politician, or what? In other words "don't make me take a stand! WAAAA!"

If asked if you are pro-life or pro-abortion, do you give a "don't lable me pro-anything" response?

You'll have to excuse me if I want somebody with a backbone. Somebody who will take a position, even it's unpopular at the moment, simply because it's the right thing to do.

Like I said you are bias and set in your ways of the world.

You don't care if your ramming your opinions down another thoart you give it no thought.

Thsi kind of attitude is not right with the Lord when one trys to ruff shot over anothers free agency!

It this kind of thinking that causes so much trouble to over turning Roe v Wade.

This kind of attitude is self centered and indifferent to ones fellowman!

This kind of attitude gets in the way of winning many more hearts and minds to do the right thing!

This kind of attitude backs people in the corner so they will rebel more!

Is not this kind of attitude really self serving one own interest!

When mankind really cares about the unborn future they will be on their knees to the Lord more, asking for a humble heart and charitble to their fellowman!

Only the Lord's Love in action will save those babies and the world!

[restornu]

John 13

34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Have a nice day!

[GLDNGUN]

I apologize. I thought I was talking with someone who is pro-life and pro-conservative. Obviously, like Mitt, you don't want to be labeled "pro anything". Obviously we have different agendas. You are looking to vote for people who don't take a stand on tough issues and don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. I'm looking to vote for people who have strong conservative convictions and aren't afraid to articulate them. That doesn't mean "jamming it down someone else's throat". Evidently, you think being "pro-life" is being hostile. I strongly disagree. Ronald Reagan was a great example of someone who could take strong positions without being hostile. Yet, he was still hated by liberals and democrats. GWB has learned the same lesson. He's bent over backwards to "play nice" with his political enemies. Where has it got him? If you're going to be hated by your adversaries, you might as well do it fighting for what you believe in rather than just let them walk all over you.

[GLDNGUN]

Is there a point to your scripture quoting? Are you suggesting that a politican should show his love by not standing for anything or trying not to hurt anyone's feelings? Is that how Jesus showed His love? Or did He speak bluntly?

[MHGinTN]

Well, if the aid is honest, the reality is even worse for Mitt because it proves how unimportant the lives of the unborn are to him except as empowerment capital in being sacrificed for his posturing!

[restornu]

I have no clue why some of you who don't get your own way, the way you think things should be done.

What gives you the right to malign another because people don't repeat after you?

I am for Roe v Wade to be over turn, and that is only done by appointing the right judges!

And that is done by someone who will get elected to the office and promise to nominate those who believe life should be protected!