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VIDEO -- Romney indignantly supports abortion-on-demand in 2002 gubernatorial debate
YouTube.com ^ | November 2, 2002 | Mitt Romney

Posted on 02/20/2007 10:38:36 PM PST by AFA-Michigan

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To: AFA-Michigan

Another interesting clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97bZHW7q_48&mode=related&search=


21 posted on 02/20/2007 11:45:24 PM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: MHGinTN

I'm pulling for Hunter, too, but if he fails, I think Romney is the next in line.

It amazes me how much we've heard, too, on this abortion issue, and yet how little we've heard regarding fiscal policy. There's no more proven individual in that regard than Romney. Not even remotely close.

Not that abortion isn't a major issue. It's just somewhat baffling to me how much the fiscal side is being ignored.


22 posted on 02/20/2007 11:49:54 PM PST by CheyennePress
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To: restornu

Next thing you know, you'll be telling us how Mitt is going to save the Constitution as it "hangs by a thread".


23 posted on 02/21/2007 12:11:14 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: AFA-Michigan

Hmm. I guess this explains why "You Tube" has been blocked at BYU.


24 posted on 02/21/2007 12:13:31 AM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN
Next thing you know, you'll be telling us how Mitt is going to save the Constitution as it "hangs by a thread".

Oh I believe that was a slur against me!

25 posted on 02/21/2007 12:15:55 AM PST by restornu
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To: GLDNGUN

You tube was blocked because of smuts, but off campus students can logon at their own peril!

You know Pron is a nation wide problem and can rob one of their soul NO one is immune to it.

Do you think one should tempt fate for the hell of it?


26 posted on 02/21/2007 12:21:05 AM PST by restornu
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To: AFA-Michigan
Some pertinent information on this subject:

Where Does Mitt Romney Stand? June 20, 2005

Two weeks ago, both the Weekly Standard and National Review featured Republican Gov. Mitt Romney of Massachusetts in favorable cover stories. Last week. Bob Novak followed Romney to Michigan and filed a column concluding there is no doubt Romney is running for President.

So, it's not too early to ask: Where does Romney stand? HUMAN EVENTS took a look at Romney's positions on some key issues that concern conservatives, focusing largely on his own and his advisers' statements.

TAXES

No New Taxes

"I'm absolutely committed to not raising taxes,' Romney said."

-Boston Globe, Nov. 6, 1994

No Forbes Flat Tax

"Mitt Romney today is running a series of full-page newspaper ads attacking the 17% flat tax proposed by candidate Steve Forbes.... "The problem with the Forbes flat tax is that it isn't flat at all-it's a zero tax on the wealthy and a 17% tax on working Americans,' Romney said yesterday. Tm hoping that by running these ads voters will realize the Forbes flat tax is a gimmick, a phony, and not what it pretends to be."'

-Boston Globe, Jan. 21, 1996

Fees, Not Taxes

"[Massachusetts] had to deal with a $3 billion deficit. ... 'You don't create economic prosperity by raising taxes,' [Romney] says. He cut some programs, combined others, and looked for savings everywhere he could. In the end, he was forced to boost fees for a variety of government services by more than $200 million. 'I know it's kind of hard to distinguish between taxes and fees,' he says, 'but we stayed away from broad-based fee increases such as driver's-license registrations.' He says that balancing the budget without a tax hike has been his most significant accomplishment as governor."

-National Review, June 20, 2005

LIFE ISSUES

For Roe v. Wade

Boston Globe reporter Sally Jacobs: "Mr. Romney, you personally oppose abortion and as a church leader have advised women not to have an abortion. Given that, how could you in good conscience support a law that enables women to have an abortion, and even lets the government pay for it? If abortion is morally wrong, aren't you responsible for discouraging it?"

Romney: "One of the great things about our nation, Sally, is that we're each entitled to have strong personal beliefs, and we encourage other people to do the same. But as a nation we recognize the right of all people to believe as they want, and not to impose our beliefs on other people. I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country; I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate.

"I believe that Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice. And my personal beliefs, like the personal beliefs of other people, should not be brought into a political campaign."

-Senate campaign debate with Sen. Ted Kennedy.

New York Times, Oct. 26, 1994

For RU-486

'I don't really understand how it works or when it works but my understanding is it's an effective morningafter pill, and I think it would be a positive thing to have women have the choice of taking the morning-after pill,' Romney said. 'I would favor having it available.'

-Boston Herald, May 19, 1994

Not a Pro-Choice Flip-Flopper

"Citing a 1971 letter written by Kennedy, [Romney political consultant Charles] Manning responded, 'I think the reason they don't trust Ted Kennedy is that he flip-flopped on abortion. He was pro-life before Roe v. Wade and now he's changed. Mitt has always been consistent in his prochoice position and that's why the group respects him.'"

-Boston Globe, Sept. 8, 1994

Don't Label 'Pro-Choice'

"'I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice,' Romney wrote this week in a letter to the editor of the Salt Lake Tribune. 'I have never felt comfortable with the labels associated with the abortion issue.'"

-Salt Lake Tribune, July 11, 2001

Pledged to Maintain 'Pro-Choice Status Quo'

"As governor, Mitt Romney would protect the current pro-choice status quo in Massachusetts. No law would change. The choice to have an abortion is a deeply personal one. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not the government's."

-Romney campaign statement.

Deseret News, Sept. 1, 2002

Philosophically Pro-Life

"My political philosophy is pro-life."

-National Review, June 20, 2005

'Faking It'?

"He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly."

-Romney political consultant Michael Murphy.

National Review, June 20, 2005

'"The quote in the National Review article was not what I meant to communicate.' [Michael Murphy] wrote on the letterhead of his Washington-based firm yesterday. 'I was discussing a characterization the governor's critics use. I regret the quote and any confusion it might have caused.'"

- Boston Herald, June 3, 2005

Won't Confuse Massachusetts

'"Understand over time one's perspective changes somewhat,' [Romney] said. Tm in a different place than I was probably in 1994, when I ran against Ted Kennedy, in my own views on that.' ... What are Romney's views now? The governor said he was 'personally pro-life' but declined to say more. I choose not to elaborate on those because I don't want to be confusing to people in my state,' he said."

-USA Today, May 23, 2005

MARRIAGE AND PARTNERSHIPS

For Domestic Partnerships, Against Gay Marriage and Civil Unions

"Of course I do want to see equal opportunity in employment, and provide also benefits such as hospital visitation rights for domestic partnerships. But I made very clear in my campaign throughout the entire campaign that I do not support gay marriage or civil unions, Vermontstyle civil unions, as I called them at the time. Haven't changed my view at all. Now, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court came out with a decision, which made that an issue that came front and center. I made it clear time and again I do not support gay marriage nor civil unions."

-CNN's "Inside Politics," March 1, 2005

GUNS

For "Assault Weapons" Ban

"Mitt Romney supports the strict enforcement of gun laws. He is a supporter of the federal assault weapons ban. Mitt also believes in the rights of those who hunt to responsibly own and use firearms."

-Romney campaign statement.

Deseret News, Sept. 1, 2002

27 posted on 02/21/2007 12:24:10 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: AFA-Michigan
The last message in the world we want to send to FUTURE presidential aspirants is this:

You can spend your entire political career attacking conservative values and giving aid and comfort to the opposition, but so long as when it's time to run for president, you claim you've ever so sincerely (and conveniently) seen the light, all us social conservatives will drink that Kool-Aid and go charging to the ramparts on your behalf.

Nada. And Mitt is the perfect object lesson.

The message instead is this:

If you expect our support four or eight or twelve years from now, you better be standing up for life and traditional family values and gun rights NOW.

BRAVO. Well said.

While it is certainly a welcome development when ANY person (candidate or non-candidate) comes around to the pro-life position, in Mitt's case, the uncomfortable question must be asked:

"Were you brainwashed THEN, or are you brainwashed NOW?"

[like your Dad claimed to be in 1967?]
28 posted on 02/21/2007 12:27:00 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: AFA-Michigan

I applaud you for your consistency.


29 posted on 02/21/2007 12:40:07 AM PST by nowandlater
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To: AFA-Michigan
Ahhh. This is exasperating. How much does it take to conclude, "Gee, maybe this guy is a two-faced liar." Come on!

If he has come around on issues, good for him. But supporting a guy for President of the United States while wondering and debating and hoping and guessing which of the completely contradictory views he's fervently expressed represent his real views is just... wierd.

I have not the slightest doubt about my candidate's real views.

30 posted on 02/21/2007 12:47:01 AM PST by FreePoster
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To: EternalVigilance

Yes I watched the video.

I still state that every conservative Senator that has a chance to win in Massachusetts or a similiar liberal state has done this. I've heard it many times. Look, I am a cynic about all politicians. Duncan Hunter is conservative because he comes from a conservative district. The same with Tom Tancredo. These guys would have no chance in a liberal district unless the compromised and everyone knows with a wink ;) wink ;) that if you are a conservative running for Senate in a very liberal state, you have no shot if you come out and say that you will govern as a pro-life.

But, I would rather have these guys run with them nominally supporting pro-abort laws than have the Ted Kennedy's of the world winning. The bottomline for me is getting pro-life judges on the supreme court and we would have a better chance if we can get Senators who are nominally pro-choice but will support constructionist judges.

The cynic in me believes that this is the game that conservatives play in such states in Massachusetts and we turn the other way when it happens. Why do we not recognize this is what happened with Mitt?


31 posted on 02/21/2007 12:49:32 AM PST by nowandlater
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To: nowandlater
Fine for Massachusetts, but not America. If that's what he's doing, he should stick to his area of specialization. That process does not produce a Republican POTUS.
32 posted on 02/21/2007 12:55:28 AM PST by FreePoster
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To: nowandlater

It is your kind of "cynicism" that is destroying America.

I know many, many honorable people in politics, and the fact that you have to pull them all down into the mud to cover for your guy says nothing good about you or your guy.


33 posted on 02/21/2007 12:57:33 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Talented Mr. Romney: It's better to be a fake somebody than a real nobody)
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To: AFA-Michigan

Everything else aside, I just can't picture a president named "Mitt."

Same way "President Gore" would have sounded like a slasher movie.


34 posted on 02/21/2007 1:03:02 AM PST by JennysCool ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." -Mencken)
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To: EternalVigilance; All

This is my philosophy with politicians changing positions:

"We should applaud politicians who change their politics to match conservatism (read Mitt Romney), and we should frown on those politicians who want to change conservatism to fit their politics (read McCain and Guilanni)."
Rush Limbaugh.

In politics, I want my vote to be the most effective for everything I want to happen and I think that can happen with Mitt. He has been so locked down in the conservative position that he can hardly change from it when he becomes President and I think that is great thing to happen before a politician gets elected. Eventually, the conservative votes will follow the conservative issues.

Thank you,

EternalVigilance and AFA-Michigan for making this happen by raising the alarm so loud and clear and making him more firmly announce his commitment, in the long-run this will make him more appealing to the conservative movement! Another example of the Law of Unintended Consequences!


35 posted on 02/21/2007 1:16:53 AM PST by nowandlater
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To: JennysCool
Everything else aside, I just can't picture a president named "Mitt."

You don't have to, his actual first name is 'Willard'.

Happy to help. ;)
36 posted on 02/21/2007 1:35:14 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: AFA-Michigan; flashbunny
Didn't Mitt say he changed his opinion while governor?
37 posted on 02/21/2007 1:37:13 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: restornu

"But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate."

ha ha. How can you be for something, but allow others to do it?:

The Future Pres. Romney: "As president, I am for babies to be killed in New Hampshire, if they want to, but not for Massachusetts if they don't. Because killing babies needs to be decided in a legislative body based on a majority vote, rather than supreme indignation on killing of viable life. Yup, that's my position. And besides, its the new line now of politically correct conservatives. Especially when we have all those rape babies being born. I mean, they don't deserve to live. We could actually wait a few years, shame them on their existence, and maybe they would do it themselves. God knows He doesn't love them."

Doctor in delivery room: "Okay, is this a rape baby, or an incest baby? No matter, lets get this done, its the law."

Now, if Christ was in the room, I wonder what he would think about the rape/incest baby?

ha ha. Wow. You must be on his staff. Damage control?


38 posted on 02/21/2007 1:58:36 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Just want to be clear here:
IMO, an incest/rape baby, is no different than killing a baby born out of love. I assure you, the baby just wants to be loved.


39 posted on 02/21/2007 2:01:18 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

What's all this jibberish have no clue what ranting going on in you mind....


40 posted on 02/21/2007 2:14:43 AM PST by restornu
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