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Senator Clinton Aligns With Bush on Immigration ...(Now you know it's BAD !)
NY Sun ^ | February 21, 2007 | RUSSELL BERMAN

Posted on 02/21/2007 5:01:41 AM PST by IrishMike

As Senator Clinton prepares to face off with many of her Democratic rivals today, she aligned herself directly with President Bush on the issue of immigration, using a campaign stop in South Florida to highlight a rare point of agreement with an administration that she criticizes at every turn.

Speaking to about 300 community leaders in an area with a large immigrant population, Mrs. Clinton staked out a centrist position on the hot-button topic, saying she supported a "pathway to legalization" for the nation's 11 million to 12 million estimated undocumented immigrants, but only if they waited in line and paid fines. She described her stance as "basically" what the president has proposed.

"I think, on this issue, the president is right," Mrs. Clinton said.

Immigration is one of few areas where Mr. Bush may find common ground with the Democratic Congress, but Mrs. Clinton's frank characterization was unusual in a presidential campaign in which even Republican contenders are distancing themselves from the White House on some issues.

It comes a day before the Democrats gather in Carson City, Nev., for the first candidate forum of the 2008 race. The event could yield the sharpest distinctions yet among a crowded field of hopefuls, but the candidates are not expected to meet face to face. Instead, they will take questions individually from ABC News's George Stephanopoulos, who rose to prominence as a top adviser to President Clinton when he ran for the White House in 1992. The forum will also be missing one of the early front-runners for the nomination, Senator Obama, who will be campaigning in Iowa instead.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; border; bush; clinton; clintongiuliani; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; piginapantsuit; rudy

1 posted on 02/21/2007 5:01:42 AM PST by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

I didn't need HilleryRottenClintoon to confirm the obvious.


2 posted on 02/21/2007 5:18:05 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: wolfcreek

You got that right. Pres. Bush's policy on immigration just plain sucks.

Politicians of both parties are seeking to give our country to illegals. It seems the only thing they all agree on is selling us out to Mexicans.


3 posted on 02/21/2007 5:20:52 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: IrishMike
It appears the RINOs and all of the Dems are competing to win the dumb and dumber contest. Another four years of a Bushwannabe or extreme leftest, like Hitlery, in the WH is going to destroy this country for good. Its probably all in the plan and most of America is too stupid to care.
4 posted on 02/21/2007 5:22:22 AM PST by sasafras (Multiculturalism is a solvent invented by the left to destroy our culture and end our history)
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To: IrishMike

It won't be long now before Senator Mrs. Bill Clinton describes herself as a 'compassionate conservative'.

What her Heinous fails to understand (because she has a political tin ear) is that for EVERY favorable word or comment she makes about President Bush, her negatives rise with the far left 'Rat/Moron.Org/Moonbat crowd, who already despise her for voting to authorize the liberation of Iraq.

Her winning the nomination is far from certain, and IF she is nominated her election is not a foregone conclusion unless the GOP falls into the deceptive trap of thinking that by nominating another left/liberal Democrat in RINO clothing (as in Giuliani) they can 'out-Hillary Hillary'.


5 posted on 02/21/2007 5:25:13 AM PST by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: IrishMike
I thought Amnesty in 1986 solved the immigration problem. At least thats what those smiling politicians promised us.
6 posted on 02/21/2007 5:25:18 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: rollo tomasi

At least thats what those smiling politicians promised us.
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When it's kissing babies time and politicians are smiling,
be afraid, very afraid.


7 posted on 02/21/2007 5:28:53 AM PST by IrishMike ("Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events.Small minds discuss people.")
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To: sasafras
Its probably all in the plan and most of America is too stupid to care.

I truly believe Americans do care, but Americans are unable to stop those willing to destroy America at the Federal level. Armed revolt isn't going to be tolerated. Voting for the same people hasn't changed the situation, and voting outside of the two parties is a vote not counted. What is a sane American to do? Americans can only wait and hope there is a straw on the camel's back about to be broken, and illegal immigration may be such a straw. We, Americans, have been left with few if any options.

8 posted on 02/21/2007 5:29:44 AM PST by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: IrishMike

esy one..that's where the cash is for campaigns...


9 posted on 02/21/2007 5:32:12 AM PST by mo
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To: IrishMike

I am retired and I can get my grass cut very cheaply, which gives me more time to watch TV and ride my exercise cycle . /BIG FAT S


10 posted on 02/21/2007 5:33:48 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Vote for RINOS, lose and complain by sending a self-abused stomped elephant.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Politicians of both parties are seeking to give our country to illegals. It seems the only thing they all agree on is selling us out to Mexicans.

Of the hundreds of social programs, one at the top of the list of programs that the Prez has been trying to abolish for years is a program that teaches adults to speak English...

This program costs the taxpayers a little over 100 million per year...The name of the program escapes me at the moment...

Could be any number of reasons why Bush doesn't want immigrants, legal and illegal to understand our language...And none of them good...

11 posted on 02/21/2007 5:41:57 AM PST by Iscool (There will be NO peace on earth, NOR good will toward men UNTIL there is Glory to God in the Highest)
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To: IrishMike

Well at least they both agree with Giuliani...


12 posted on 02/21/2007 5:45:58 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: From One - Many
voting outside of the two parties is a vote not counted.

It sure would be nice if it were *illegal* to mention party affiliation on a ballot and the 'straight-ticket' button merely released the hounds. :)
13 posted on 02/21/2007 5:46:03 AM PST by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: From One - Many
The GOP should run a POTUS candidate who promises to defend our Borders, enforce existing laws and stop the insanity related to Illegal immigration.

Homeland security and Domestic issues matter and we shouldn't accept anything less.

sw

14 posted on 02/21/2007 5:50:52 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife) (Duncan Hunter 08 "Will you join us"?)
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To: IrishMike

Of course. When it comes to an issue like this, you can always count on both parties to come together to screw over the average American.


16 posted on 02/21/2007 6:05:22 AM PST by William James
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To: IrishMike

Securing this country should be paramount priority number one in the war on terror.

Screw Hitlery and GW, they're both liars and are selling us and our national security out.

Maybe I've seen the movie "Red Dawn" too many times where the Russians and Cubans invaded our country by coming up through mexico, I see the alliance formed between Iran, Venezuala, Cuba, and others having the exact opportunity. All of whom are being heavily armed to the teeth by Russia.

Putin desperately wants to regain superpower status and I wouldn't put it past him to use the previously mentioned countries as proxies against us no differently than Iran used Hezbollah last summer against Israel.

If thousands of illegals can get here, so can thousands of troops.

Am I paranoid? Does anyone else see the clear and present danger leaving our borders unsecured guarded by good folks now afraid to do thier job at the risk of being put on trial and thrown in jail.

America to our pols, quit playing politics with our national security and giving away our tax money to people here illegally who have no right to any of it and use it to seal our borders once and for all.


17 posted on 02/21/2007 6:16:49 AM PST by diverteach
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To: IrishMike
So sister Hillary is on the same page with brother George and his brother Bill.

What a family.

Enough of the Bushes and the Clintons! Let's get some new blood in politics and especially in the White House.

This is what we've seen since 1981:

Bush 1 as VP for 8 years followed by
Bush 1 as Pres for 4 years followed by
Clinton 1 as Pres for 8 years followed by
Bush 2 as Pres for 8 years followed by, very probably,
Clinton 2 as President for 8 years by 2016.

That means a Bush or Clinton continuously in the Administration (VP and President) for 35 years.


Surely, we can find some other equally or more qualified candidates!

Neither the Bushes nor the Clintons have been that stellar of leaders.

18 posted on 02/21/2007 6:25:01 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: IrishMike
saying she supported a "pathway to legalization" for the nation's 11 million to 12 million estimated undocumented immigrants, but only if they waited in line and paid fines.

As we all know, "pathway to legalization" is just code for "amnesty". So what if illegal aliens have to pay a fine/fee? I recently renewed my driver's license and had to pay a fee. The illegal aliens will end up with what they wanted all along, and that is they will be allowed to legally stay in the U.S.

19 posted on 02/21/2007 6:33:12 AM PST by Isabel C.
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To: sgtbono2002
Politicians of both parties are seeking to give our country to illegals

Pols are placating big business (global) by importing illegals to provide cheap labor, regardless of the actual costs (taxpayers pick up that bill) and fall-out (diseases, crime, drugs, etc.).

Illegals help keep wages, the big evil in the cost of doing business, low. And many illegals do not receive the normal company benefits regular (legal) employees do.

Just consider how much in salary big business save by employing those millions of illegals at substandard wages, rather than hiring legals workers at standard wages. And that is good money that could otherwise be paid to the stockholder dividends and to bigger salaries for upper management!!!!! [/s]
20 posted on 02/21/2007 6:35:37 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

....very probably,Clinton 2 as President for 8 years by 2016.
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Hopefully we can circumvent this one !


21 posted on 02/21/2007 6:55:14 AM PST by IrishMike ("Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events.Small minds discuss people.")
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To: IrishMike
Please watch this thirteen minute video on Immigration and over population in the US by Roy Beck.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=number

22 posted on 02/21/2007 6:59:15 AM PST by jetson
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To: jetson

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=number


23 posted on 02/21/2007 7:00:13 AM PST by jetson
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To: jetson

Thanks for the link


24 posted on 02/21/2007 7:02:23 AM PST by IrishMike ("Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events.Small minds discuss people.")
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To: IrishMike

Unfortunate headline.

Psst. Don't tell slick Willie about the all woman island the Iranian ayatollahs are creating.


25 posted on 02/21/2007 7:03:41 AM PST by subterfuge (Today, Tolerance =greatest virtue;Hypocrisy=worst character defect; Discrimination =worst atrocity)
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To: spectre
The GOP should run a POTUS candidate who promises to defend our Borders, enforce existing laws and stop the insanity related to Illegal immigration.

Hunter is your man.

26 posted on 02/21/2007 7:06:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: Isabel C.
As we all know, "pathway to legalization" is just code for "amnesty". So what if illegal aliens have to pay a fine/fee? I recently renewed my driver's license and had to pay a fee. The illegal aliens will end up with what they wanted all along, and that is they will be allowed to legally stay in the U.S.

Correct it is amnesty by another name. Moreover, unless you secure the border, there will be a flood of more illegals who will be very happy to pay a fine, just like what happened in 1986.

27 posted on 02/21/2007 7:08:58 AM PST by kabar
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To: IrishMike

voters are, on the whole, morons

they don't want to be 'educated'

they don't want to be 'persuaded'

they don't want 'intellectual debate'

the majority (!) are influenced by far more simple things:

ridicule, employed by freepers and even reagan, is far more powerful. mark steyn, ann coulter, rush limbaugh are prepared to humiliate the socialists at every turn, but bush and the gop through their confusing actions undermine their support and positions constantly

simple, repetitive soundbites (its the economy, stupid) earns more votes than elite treatises on nuclear proliferation

negative portrayal of opponents (swift boat vets) burns deeply into flip-flop charlatans

aggressive battle for every news cycle prevents the ideas and positions of opponents to cement into the voters thoughts, and provides supporters in the trenches with talking points for contradiction of accusations

this is all rocket science to bush and the gop, because they have failed miserably at politics without the base doing their work. their response? betray the base!


28 posted on 02/21/2007 7:18:44 AM PST by Enduring Freedom (what does al qaeda and bush have in common? caves)
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To: IrishMike

BOHICA.


29 posted on 02/21/2007 7:22:29 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Veritas. Gravitas. Ohmygas.)
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To: jetson
And that is just the impact of LEGAL immigration under our current laws, i.e., approximately 1 million per year. In 1970 our population was 203 million, in 2000 it was 282 million, and today it is 301,222,150. By 2030 it will be 364 million and in 2050, 419 million using Bureau of the Census projection figures.

All of these ppeople need to be housed, clothed, fed etc. and they will need infrastructure such as roads, schools, hospitals, police, etc. They also consume energy. In addition to securing our borders. our entire immigration policy must be reviewed and revised. Legalizing the status of illegals currently here will allow them to bring in even more people through current chain migration policies, e.g., parents, siblings, children, etc.

30 posted on 02/21/2007 7:23:39 AM PST by kabar
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To: sgtbono2002

31 posted on 02/21/2007 7:26:02 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Veritas. Gravitas. Ohmygas.)
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To: IrishMike

Bump


32 posted on 02/21/2007 7:27:25 AM PST by A. Pole (Second hand smoking is a major cause of global warming!)
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To: The Danger is Near
With California already solidly liberal, and illegal immigrants concentrated in the key states of Texas, New York, and Florida, it won't be long before the GOP -- at least as a bastion of conseervatism-- is a distant memory

That's why we have to derail the Rinos, persuade the misled conservatives who are thinking more about victory than principle, and get a real conservative as our nominee.

While I agree that there is a political agenda at work, i.e., the Dems see illegals and the legalization of their status as a source for future votes and political power [by 2050, one-quarter of the US population will be Hispanic], this issue transcends politics. It has to do with the basic survival of this country and its values. We cannot continue to absorb and assimilate these kinds of numbers.

34 posted on 02/21/2007 7:32:55 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Thank you for replying. I watched it and allmost fell off my chair. US citizens have to watch this video. Our over populating is bad enough with our legal citizens let alone allowing a bunch of illegals to breed like flies.


35 posted on 02/21/2007 7:39:51 AM PST by jetson
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To: sgtbono2002
Pres. Bush's policy on immigration just plain sucks.

And Hillary and Rudy agree with his position.

36 posted on 02/21/2007 7:41:58 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: jetson
We have lost control. When you have 500,000 to 1 million self-selected immigrants [illegals] coming in every year plus one million legal immigrants, it doesn't take very long to change the demographics of the country. We can't continue to be the destination of the poor and uneducated of Latin America.

Whatever benefits we gain in cheap labor, we lose in terms of the costs of support required from our social systems and physical infrastructure. The politicians and business have formed a coalition to keep this going despite the dire long term consequences. If we have an economic downturn, as we surely will, the scope and breadth of the problem will become more evident.

37 posted on 02/21/2007 7:54:29 AM PST by kabar
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To: dirtboy

Most of the crapheads on the Hill agree with that position.

The whole bunch needs to be replaced.

Replaced with working men ,not rich lawyers and rich professional politicians.


38 posted on 02/21/2007 8:37:46 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

It appears the whole country had better learn to speak Spanish.


39 posted on 02/21/2007 8:40:01 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

BOHICA.
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Splain ?


40 posted on 02/21/2007 9:06:03 AM PST by IrishMike ("Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events.Small minds discuss people.")
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Press 1 for English...............


41 posted on 02/21/2007 9:26:47 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Misery loves miserable company.......ask any liberal. Hunter in 08!)
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To: IrishMike

Bend...Over...Here...It...Comes...Again.


42 posted on 02/21/2007 9:47:15 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Veritas. Gravitas. Ohmygas.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham; All
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43 posted on 02/21/2007 10:29:25 AM PST by musicman
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To: IrishMike

Barak hussein obama wants intstant citizenship...


44 posted on 02/21/2007 11:54:38 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: TomGuy

And next would be Jeb Bush, then Chelsea Clinton, then Jenna Bush...


45 posted on 02/21/2007 11:55:38 AM PST by Thunder90
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To: IrishMike; All

When it comes to immigration, I'm afraid President Bush, Hillary Clinton, Rudy Giuliani and John McCain are all on the same page.


46 posted on 02/21/2007 7:13:09 PM PST by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: IrishMike
I knew this was going to happen. I just knew it - the Dims agreeing with Bush on immigration.
47 posted on 02/21/2007 7:14:58 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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