Affidavit: McVeigh had high-level help

The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | February 22, 2007 | Pamela Manson

[Sherman Logan]

Nichols' sojourn in the Muslim region of the Philippines

The Philippines are listed as 5% Muslim, although some areas are much higher proportion. I have never seen anything about him spending time in the specifically Muslim parts of the Philippines.

[Charlespg]

Sounds like misinformation to me. I can buy a coverup to hide government failure but not a coverup to hide deliberate government mass murder of american citizens.

I don't agree with the tinfoil hatters either,I think the OK bombing was a sting operation that went bad and not a deliberate act by the US government.
I do believe that the government knows more then they will ever let on about this mess, CYA and all that.

[GrandEagle]

Sounds like misinformation to me. I can buy a coverup to hide government failure but not a coverup to hide deliberate government mass murder of american citizens.
Me too. However, I'm also not as trusting of any government as to think them incapable of such activity.
Through out time governments have murdered their own citizens to promote some end. In this case though, I'm not sure what "end" would have been promoted.
Something seems funny to me about the whole thing. Do I think our government did it? - No, or course not; but something is weird about the whole "investigation". My suspicion (and it is just a suspicion) is that somehow we (CIA, DOJ, or even the US military) lent it's support to some group to achieve some end (overthrowing some two-bit dictator, drug lord, etc.)- and that group ended up turning that support back on us. The "cover-up", if any, was to prevent the embarrassment. We are notorious for backing folks who we end up fighting in the end.
One thing is for absolutely sure - I do not trust any entity, be it government, company, or whatever, that "investigates" themselves. Whoever pays the piper ends up getting the results desired.

Could the 'gubmnt conduct a cover up of the mass murder of US citizens? - sure, Waco is a good example of that IMHO. Murdered the whole gang of nuts, then eliminated all evidence.
Was it preplanned to kill them all as in some sort of conspiracy? I don't think so; I believe it was an ego power play that got out of hand. I was seriously disappointed in my fellow citizens for taking it so lightly though.

[Cicero]

There is a lot of evidence that ties the fanatics at Elohim City in with the bombing, and also a lot of evidence that virtually everyone at Elohim City was a double agent, working for the FBI and the ATF, and one German intelligence agent who appears to have been working for the CIA.

There is also the mysterious missing suspect, who was then dropped.

There is also the evidence by an ordnance expert testifying that the concrete support pillars inside the building could never have been sheared off by an explosing at that distance, but that explosives must have been taped to the pillars themselves in the basement.

The only question in my mind is whether this was a sting operation that went bad, or a deliberate act of terrorism by certain agents in the FBI. Clinton had a big speech ready to go immediately after it happened, and most people agree that it turned the election around.

There was also a lot of talk that the FBI agents working in the building and their children in the daycare center were mysteriously absent that day. I don't know whether or not that story has been confirmed.

[alice_in_bubbaland]

How about the Bohemian Grove?

[BunnySlippers]

Buying time ...

[cookcounty]

Seeing the photo with Berger makes me again wonder why almost nobody finds it odd that Lee Hamilton is working for the criminal Sandy Berger at his Stonebridge International lobby firm.

stonebridge-internaional.com

Berger, lead principal, Hamilton, Board of Advisors.

[6SJ7]

Think about this: the Iraqi secret police were very adept at forgeries and had many agents living in the US;

I've been reading "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis. The book provides much credible evidence of collaboration by Iraqi agents in the bombing with McVeigh as the stool-pigion in the operation. The scary thing is how the FBI switched from looking for the third terrorist (the Iraqi connection) to running a coverup to deny all foreign connections. I have not yet finished the book, but thus far it has been both fascinating and disturbing.

[Stayfree]

If I recall, Slick Willie went to see Vince Foster's widow with over $400,000 in cash to help sooth her sorrow!

[cookcounty]

make that spelling: stonebridge-internaTional.com

Hey, I came in second in the 6th grade spelling bee, I have a license to wing it.

[Stayfree]

And if I remember correctly, Vince Foster's son supposedly died under somewhat mysterious circumstances...don't remember when though!

[TomGuy]

He alleges he wrote then-Attorney General John Ashcroft in 2004, offering to help identify all parties who played a role in the bombing but never got a reply.

hmmmmm. That makes it sure sound like there were more involved than just 2 white guys. Maybe authorities should have paid more attention Jayna Davis and her investigations.

I always thought carrying out the rapid death sentence on McVeigh was strange. Bureaucracy hardly ever moves that fast. I always wondered 'why the rush?', especially with a new Presidential Administration just taking office. I guess that ole adage was the reason: Dead men tell no tales.

[JewishRighter]

You know the amazing thing about that photo of the monkeys in the White house is how in the heck does anyone fit on the same couch as Madeline Albright?

[Homer1]

but not a coverup to hide deliberate government mass murder of american citizens.

What about Waco?

[P-40]

That makes it sure sound like there were more involved than just 2 white guys.

This short audio clip on NPR suggest that more were involved. Kind of hair raising.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1846269

[WilliamofCarmichael]

The government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing in the [prisoner's] death.

Yes, Mr. Trentadue's brother was found hanged in his cell but the cell was blood-splattered and the prison personnel left the man hanging for at least ten minutes while they video-taped and photographed the cell.

Also, the cell was scrubbed down that same morning. The only outsider to see the cell before that was an EMT person who asked to see the cell because of the condition of the body.

The DOJ investigation had only the video, photos, body, and bloody personal items to go on; as well as, interviews; it admitted that items in the cell had been moved around and did not accurately depict the scene at the time of death.

The local coroner's office was alarmed at the condition of the body and notified the FBI. The prison's notification to the FBI merely reported that a prisoner had hanged himself, they were told to send in a report.

The DOJ essentially said that the blood-splattered cell was evidence of several clumsy attempts to kill himself, including trying to cut his own throat with a tube of toothpaste.

It was these puzzling government reports that started the dead man's brother on his quest to clarify and it's leading to all the rest.

Just one more reason to question the "government has adamantly denied any wrongdoing in the OKC bombing and the investigation."

[cripplecreek]

Wasn't much of a cover up. They killed a whole bunch of people on national TV.

[Stayfree]

If I remember correctly, wasn't there a surface to air missile discovered in a area adjacent to an airport landing strip somewhere in Maryland (or in that region) before TWA flight 800 was taken out. Nobody ever connected the two as I recall!

[JewishRighter]

You know the amazing thing about that photo of the monkeys in the White house is how in the heck does anyone fit on the same couch as Madeline Albright?

[MHGinTN]

Because it is so disturbing, most of your fellow Americans will count it as kook conspiracy and dissmiss it, aiding in the pernicious cover up. The same tendency was and continues to be exploited regarding the UFO phenomenon.