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The Salt Lake Shooter and Sudden Jihad Syndrome
Conservative Crusader ^ | 02-23-07 | David M. Huntwork

Posted on 02/23/2007 9:38:00 PM PST by TheConservativeCitizen

If you only read the news as reported by the Main Stream Media, you would never know that we had just recently experienced another Jihad style attack by a Muslim on American soil.

On Monday, Feb. 12th, one time Bosnian refugee Sulejmen Talovic (age 18) walked into the Trolley Valley shopping mall in Salt Lake City and in a six minute rampage killed five people and severely wounded several more. The dead were identified as Jeffrey Walker, 52, Vanessa Quinn, 29, Kirsten Hinkley, 15, Teresa Ellis, 29, and Brad Frantz, 24.

My initial (blogged) reaction was:

“Any guesses as to whether he's a Muslim or not? I may be going out on a limb here, but I sense another follower of Allah and the Religion of Peace.... And might I add that this is a great example of how having a large section of the population allowed to conceal carry is a good idea.”

Sure enough it turns out Sulejmen Talovic was indeed a Muslim and that little nugget of information has fueled a firestorm of speculation among bloggers and unleashed accusations of ‘cover up’ directed towards the Main Stream Media and law enforcement investigators. The media showed an interesting and obvious reluctance to initially disclose, let alone discuss, eighteen year old Talovic’s religious persuasion...

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; US: Utah; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: islam; jihadinamerica; mall; saltlakecity; sjs; suddenjihad; suddenjihadsyndrome; terrorism; trolleymall; utah; waronterror
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1 posted on 02/23/2007 9:38:01 PM PST by TheConservativeCitizen
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

While some of us might be willing to examine the Muslim angle to this story...if you were a kid in Bosnia...when the ethnic cleansing was taking place...you are screwed for the rest of your life. It doesn't matter what religion you had...there was death around every turn. The US took in alot of these refugees...and this kid is simply episode number one that we will have face.


2 posted on 02/23/2007 9:47:16 PM PST by pepsionice
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
Another example of the peace loving mooslums. The MSM is really a piece of crap. All mooslums are suspect in my eyes. There is no such thing as a non violent mooslum. There is only a mooslum waiting to explode.
3 posted on 02/23/2007 9:54:02 PM PST by nyconse
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To: pepsionice

What are you talking about? This loser was 3 years old when he lived in Bosnia. Don't hand me that "now he's screwed for the rest of his life" crap. He's a freaking jihadist. Don't try to explain away what their cult teaches them to do with worn-out sociaological theories from the 60's. What else could it be? That he was improperly toilet trained?

Give me a break!


4 posted on 02/23/2007 9:54:32 PM PST by 43north (7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
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To: pepsionice

That is true. It is also true that any sane person must also admit there is something about islam that turns people into flippin' psychopaths and represive SOB's.


5 posted on 02/23/2007 9:54:58 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked)
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To: pepsionice

I disagree. The United States took in a lot of Jewish refugees after WWII, many of whom were survivors of the "ethnic cleansing" of the Holocast, and I don't recall them either going on murderous rampages or being given a free pass if they did so. I have no trouble ascribing this foul and evil deed to the "religion of peace."


6 posted on 02/23/2007 9:55:14 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: pepsionice

There was another one a year or two back who was from Bosnia (I think). He was one of two separate Islamofruitcakes that attacked Greyhound bus drivers with box cutters. The first one was a few weeks after 911 and he was killed in the crash. The second guy, though, was an active participant in a unit known as a death squad according to reports.


7 posted on 02/23/2007 10:00:55 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of too many "R"s.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

He must have been another one of those Bush Administration
plants, sent in there to distract attention from that WOT
thing. I'm certain that those at the DU will get to the
bottom of this....JJ61(wink)


8 posted on 02/23/2007 10:01:55 PM PST by JerseyJohn61 (Better Late Than Never.......sometimes over lapping is worth the effort....)
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To: hsalaw

I agree with you. We have taken in people from many countries and they have not gone on killing sprees..... I think we are going to see more of these crazy Islamics doing things like this. Another thing which scares me is the fact that so many inmates convert to Islam in prison. They seem to be very militant about their conversion too. I lived near a mosque years ago and most of its members were converts from jail. They scared the hell out of me.


9 posted on 02/23/2007 10:05:22 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
The media showed an interesting and obvious reluctance to initially disclose, let alone discuss, eighteen year old Talovic’s religious persuasion...

Let there be no doubt that had the perp been a professed Christian the MSM would've repeated that fact ad nauseam.

10 posted on 02/23/2007 10:13:25 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Oh, that and a bit more. I can see interviews with experts, theologians and mental health authorities all discussing the dangers inherent in R-A-D-I-C-A-L F-U-N-D-M-E-N-T-A-L-I-S-T doctrines. Urgent cautions for viewers that may know somebody who shows symptoms of religious conviction beyond watching Dr. Schuler and the Hour of Power TV on Sunday morning.
11 posted on 02/23/2007 10:18:33 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth ("Don't tread on me" - the motto of Patriots. "May I lick your boots?" - the motto of too many "R"s.)
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Why is the media suppressing this sotry? Why are they afraid to write about jihad in the USA?


12 posted on 02/23/2007 10:21:03 PM PST by TBP
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To: hsalaw

"I disagree. The United States took in a lot of Jewish refugees after WWII, many of whom were survivors of the "ethnic cleansing" of the Holocast, and I don't recall them either going on murderous rampages or being given a free pass if they did so. I have no trouble ascribing this foul and evil deed to the "religion of peace."




Pretty good point.


13 posted on 02/23/2007 10:22:20 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: TBP

Because it means that W is right.


14 posted on 02/23/2007 10:22:35 PM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: pepsionice
While some of us might be willing to examine the Muslim angle to this story...
if you were a kid in Bosnia...when the ethnic cleansing was taking place

Are you saying that this jihadist gets a pass because he was part
of an invasion, into a country that was trying to defend itself against Muslim invaders?

The only ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia was the Ethnic Albanians murdering Serbs/Christians
in the Christian towns and cities in Yugoslavia.

Ethnic cleansing is another myth fed to us by the freakin' media.
Similar to every damn town or city in the middle east is the most holy, or some such crap.

15 posted on 02/23/2007 10:25:57 PM PST by ThreePuttinDude ()...On 9-11 & 7-7 Islamic missionaries came a callin'.....()
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To: pepsionice

I read the family disagrees with that theory.


16 posted on 02/23/2007 10:51:21 PM PST by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: pepsionice

Salt Lake police so far keep saying that his religion played no factor, as far as they can tell. Nobody recalls seeing him at the local Islamic Center (2 blocks away from the massacre site)--or nobody has admitted such yet.

Usually, if they're wacked-out jihadis, they leave behind their martyrdom video, and they leave clues. So far, the police have found none. They say they are stumped.


17 posted on 02/23/2007 11:32:02 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Christ doesn't care where you've been so much as which direction you're headed.)
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ON THE NET...


OSINT.INTERNET-HAGANAH.com (CONTRACOSTATIMES.com): Salt Lake City - "TROLLEY SQUARE OPERATION TO BE USED AS A CASE STUDY" (February 21, 2007)

KSL.com: "FATHER OF SHOOTER BELIEVES SOMEONE TOLD HIS SON TO KILL PEOPLE" (February 16, 2007, 12:49 pm)

SALT LAKE TRIBUNE: "TROLLEY KILLER HAD VIOLENT JUVENILE HISTORY" by Stephen Hunt and Brent Israelsen (Last updated February 15, 2007, 6:20:05 PM MST)

LittleGreenFootballs.com - "SALT LAKE CITY KILLER'S RECORDS RELEASED" (February 15, 2007)

Media.www.USISHIELD.com (AP): "GUNMAN KILLS 5 AT SALT LAKE CITY MALL" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The card store Cabin Fever had been packed with Valentine's Day shoppers Monday night when the shooting started, store owner David Dean said. Dean said his assistant manager called him, saying "someone's in the store killing people." The place was "all shot up," Dean said. He said three or four of the victims were shot inside.") (February 15, 2007)
LiveLeak.com: "DRAMATIC HOME VIDEO SHOWS UTAH MALL RAMPAGE"

JIHAD WATCH.org: "DESERET MORNING NEWS HITS 'ULTRACONSERVATIVE' WEBSITES FOR SUGGESTING SALT LAKE SHOOTING WAS JIHAD-MOTIVATED" (February 15, 2007)

JIHAD WATCH.org (BISMARCK TRIBUNE): Salt Lake City - "FBI: NO REASON TO BELIEVE SALT LAKE MALL SHOOTER WAS MOTIVATED BY RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM OR TERRORISM" (February 14, 2007)

KUTV.com: "FULL COVERAGE OF THE TERROR AT TROLLEY SQUARE" (Febuary 14, 2007, 9:48 pm US/Mountain)

CNN.com: "UTAH MALL GUNMAN WAS SREBRENICA SURVIVOR, COUSIN SAYS" (February 14, 2007, 11:59 p.m.)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE: "SALT LAKE JIHAD?" by Robert Spencer (February 15, 2007)

SLTRIB.com: "TROLLEY SQUARE: SUSPECT RARELY SEEN BY HIS NEIGHBORS A high school drop-out, Talovic's life and motive for the shooting remain a mystery" by Matthew D. LaPlante (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Police say the gunman met his first two victims in the parking lot, firing off two rounds as they fell. "Die, motherf-----," Talovic said to them, according to one witness. Talovic appears to have uttered few further words. Witnesses said he moved deliberately through the ground floor corridors, firing round after round at helpless others, sometimes swearing, sometimes ordering his victims not to look at him. In seemingly random fashion, showing no emotion, he slaughtered five people and seriously wounded four others.") (Last updated February 14, 2007, 01:29 AM MST)
DESERET NEWS.com: "6 MINUTES OF HORROR: SHOOTER AIMED TO KILL AS MANY AS HE COULD" by Pat Reavy and Ben Winslow (ARTICLE SNIPPET: ""His intent was to shoot as many people as he possibly could," said Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank. Police released details Tuesday on Talovic's shooting rampage that left five people dead before off-duty Ogden police officer Ken Hammond and four Salt Lake City police officers killed him in "a shootout," Burbank said. Four other shooting victims are hospitalized. Talovic was armed with a shotgun, a .38-caliber handgun and "a backpack full of ammunition," Burbank said. Around the man's waist was a bandolier of shotgun shells. "He had a pump shotgun," said one witness, DeEtta Barta. "He was shooting, and he shot about four shots.") (February 14, 2007)
WorldNetDaily.com: "UTAH GUNMAN, 18, WAS MUSLIM FROM BOSNIA" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "David Dean, who owns a greeting-card store at the mall, said three or four people died inside his store, which was packed with Valentine's Day shoppers.")(February 13, 2007)

JIHAD WATCH.org (AP): "SALT LAKE CITY: BOSNIAN TEEN WANTED 'TO KILL A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE'" (February 13, 2007)

LittleGreenFootballs.com - weblog: "SALT LAKE CITY KILLER IDENTIFIED Sudden jihad syndrome?" (February 13, 2007)

Google - Search News: "SULEJMAN TALOVIC"

18 posted on 02/23/2007 11:44:23 PM PST by Cindy
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To: TheConservativeCitizen
I, also, believe this was a "terrorist" attack. One of those independent terrorist actions the jihadists are always encouraging. I'd not heard ANY news source report that this thug uttered the "God is Great" mantra, although it is clearly audible on the video.

I agree with his father though, there was clearly someone who helped him obtain the weapons AND the practice space and training to use said weapons.

Throughout our nation's history we have taken in the hapless victims of other nations' wars, but I don't ever recall having to worry about them, individually or collectively, becoming, for no apparent reason, suddenly unhinged and killing Americans. MANY of our legal immigrants have witnessed, and been the victims of, horrible crimes, but I just know of to many who HAVEN'T reacted in such a fashion.
19 posted on 02/24/2007 12:06:59 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: TheConservativeCitizen

Sudden Jihad Syndrome or How I lost all self control and got closer to allah.


20 posted on 02/24/2007 12:09:48 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Mohammedanism - Bringing you only the best of the 6th century for fourteen hundred years.)
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