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MUSLIMS CAN'T RULE IN SCHOOL
Sunday Mirror ^ | 25 February 2007

Posted on 02/25/2007 12:59:25 AM PST by PRePublic

MUSLIMS CAN'T RULE IN SCHOOL

25 February 2007

http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=muslims-can-t-rule-in-school--&method=full&objectid=18673042&siteid=62484-name_page.html

Carole Malone JUST where does the Muslim Council of Great Britain get off demanding that Muslim schoolchildren have their own changing rooms in schools for sport and swimming? They also want single-sex classes for sex education, different assemblies, their own prayer rooms and special canteen staff to prepare halal food.

Oh yes, and they want girls to be allowed to wear headscarves in all lessons and male pupils to be allowed to grow beards if they want to. Not only that but the Council want the whole exam schedule to be revised so that Muslims don't have to take exams during Ramadan because they're weakened by fasting.

One wonders why the Muslims who agree with these demands bother to live in this country at all - because patently nothing about it suits them.

One also wonders what would happen if Christian children living in an Islamic country rocked up to school wearing a skirt above the knee, a bit of make-up and a shirt that showed off a few centimetres of flesh. At a guess they'd be stoned to death.

I'm sorry but there's no other country in the civilised world that busts a gut the way Britain does to be inclusive and to promote cultural diversity. But these latest demands from a community that accounts for just three per cent of the British population is a joke. Strikes me the Muslim Council will only ever stop whinging the day Britain becomes an Islamic state. And that's never going to happen. And if they're so unhappy with British schools and what goes on in them, why don't they shove off somewhere that suits them better - like Afghanistan.

In this country no one religion is more important than another. And while we do what we can to accommodate that, it won't be at the expense of other religions.


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1 posted on 02/25/2007 12:59:27 AM PST by PRePublic
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To: PRePublic

Doesn't this constitute a major rebellion against accommodationism? Haven't people been prosecuted for "hate speech" for this kind of thing?


2 posted on 02/25/2007 1:10:39 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: PRePublic

I could add a few thousand choice words . . . but it's Sunday. And my 60th birthday . . . and I'd rather not write in that kind of outrage.


3 posted on 02/25/2007 1:12:22 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: PRePublic
It's what Muslims do and MUslims in Britain are right on schedule!

The following is a description (slightly modified) from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. www.frontline.org.za/books_videos/sti.htm

As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness.

At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs [Europe, Australia, USA and Japan]. Six percent of US prison inmates are Muslim. Like any other minority, they won’t integrate, but work to build their own separate community.

From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. South Africa's Muslim population is 2%, but they control 35% of the businesses, a large percentage of the banks and have five Cabinet seats while Christians (77% of the population) have none.

They will push for the introduction of halaal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves (along with threats for failure to comply).

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia; Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world, but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. (Ei: car-burnings in France last October.) Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats.

After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning (India, Mindanao, Philippines).

At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare [Indonesia].

From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya (infidel tax). (Sudan, Kosovo, Lebanon and Egypt).

After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide [Western Papua (New Guinea), Iran, Biafra, Turkey and North Nigeria].

100% will usher in the peace of "Dar-es-Salaam" - House of Peace - as in Saudi Arabia, Libya and Yemen.
4 posted on 02/25/2007 1:16:46 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Beckwith
We in the western world need to treat muslims in exactly the same way that Christians are treated in Saudi. We nee to give them the same respect and the treat them with the same tolerance.
They would all be gone in a month.....
I think it is a great idea.....
5 posted on 02/25/2007 1:19:37 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: PRePublic
Fanatics demand, we concede.

The Pioneer, India ^ | Saturday, February 24, 2007 | Kanchan Gupta

Posted on 02/23/2007 10:29:57 PM EST by CarrotAndStick

Flipping through a recent issue of Time, I came across an interview with Hungarian-born Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate Imre Kertesz, better known for his novels Fatelessness, Kaddish for a Child Not Born and Liquidation. During the course of the interview, Kertesz, with touching humility, makes two interesting points which are, in many ways, inter-linked. In response to a question, he says, "It is not always worthwhile to compromise."

Later, answering another question, he is more lucid: "There has been a struggle between the negative and the positive, and we are deep in this fight at the moment. The real fight will not be between nations, but a struggle between fanaticism and democracy. Terrorists do not have a common list of demands on which to base negotiations. Fanatical hatred has taken over the world and this phenomenon conflicts with rational politics that is accustomed to negotiation and compromise."

My immediate reaction to such profound observation was to try and figure out how to reconcile the two points - if it is "not always worthwhile to compromise", then why should we be besotted with "rational politics that is accustomed to negotiation and compromise"? That apart, it's difficult to quibble over his comment that "fanatical hatred has taken over the world". Kertesz carefully avoids attaching any label to this fanaticism, but since I am not known for being politically correct, I have no hesitation in elaborating on this point. Much of the fanaticism that we witness today originates from a fundamentalist reading and practice of Islam that makes individuals intolerant and repudiate democracy and secularism.

Strangely, while the practitioners of Islamic fundamentalism insist it is their right to be fanatical about their faith, they are unwilling to allow those who subscribe to other faiths similar fanaticism. I recall getting into an argument with the venerable editor of an Arabic magazine, published from Cairo, over lunch at India House while the Ambassador looked increasingly alarmed. The editor, an accomplished man who had spent the better part of his life in Paris and was no fire-breathing Islamist zealot, was remarkably passionate in his defence of Islamic fundamentalism and fundamentalists. "We don't just believe in Islam, we practice it. And only when we practice the fundamentals of Islam can we claim to be good Muslims. If those fundamentals make us fundamentalists, so be it. And if those fundamentals militate against what others believe in, it is the others who must compromise on their beliefs and accommodate our fundamentalism," he said, his voice, stridently shrill, rising with each sentence. My post-lunch notes also refer to some other points made by him, but they are not really germane to the issue.

If Islamic fundamentalism is justified, then so is Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism and Hindu fundamentalism, I suggested to him, half in jest, mindful that it was an official lunch. "No. No other religion demands of its followers to be fundamentalists. They can't just decide to be fanatical about their faith. Fundamentalism of any other variety is wrong and unacceptable," he asserted. In brief, in the cloistered world of fundamentalist Islam, everything else is wrong, including legitimate criticism of Islamic fanaticism that rejects rational, secular politics but expects accommodation and compromise, both on its terms.

Seen from the perspective of those who subscribe to - and defend - fundamentalist Islam and the fanaticism that it breeds, it is perfectly alright to use textbooks in schools that denigrate other faiths. Hence, King Fahad Academy in London uses books that teach Muslim children Jews are "repugnant" and Christians are "pigs". Hindus, being 'kafirs', do not merit mention in such texts, thank god for small mercies. Hence also the demand that hate speech laws should not apply to Muslims because it is their religious duty to denigrate others, but others do not have the right to either protest against such denigration or question the basis of this presumed right of the fanatics.

It is not only liberal democratic Governments in the West who are being alarmingly discomfited by the clamourous assertion of the fanatics' right to be obnoxiously hurtful in thought and deed, but also regimes that rule Arabic and Muslim-majority states which dot the map of Arabia and beyond. King Abdullah would be delighted to see fanatics chased out of Saudi Arabia, if not lined up and beheaded in public squares. President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt has stepped up his fight against the Muslim Brotherhood, the progenitor of Islamism and Islamic fanaticism. Jordan's King Abdullah II rules with an iron fist and disallows even a squeak that smells of Islamism. In the Maghreb, rulers refuse to acknowledge the very presence of fanatical Islam. In the lesser states of Arabia, calculated emphasis on generating wealth and using it for development has kept Islamists in check. But in countries like Pakistan, as also African states where Islam is the predominant religion, fanatics need not fear either Government or society. In Iran, fanaticism rules.

President Pervez Musharraf, talking to the BBC, admitted that "Islamic fanatics have the potential to destroy Pakistan" and described their rising political strength as a "nightmare". What he did not admit, however, was his utter failure to check the growth of Islamism or political Islam which flows from fanaticism. For all his bluff and bluster and his claimed emphasis on "enlightened moderation", Gen Musharraf has singularly failed in confronting fanatics. Instead, he has repeatedly sought negotiation and compromise, falling back on what Kertesz describes as "rational politics" to deal with irrational demands, often with comical results. The pistol-packing, fatigues-wearing General beat a hasty retreat when confronted with burqa-clad, AK-56-wielding women who ostensibly study theology at Hafsa Madarsa near Islamabad. They stood guard over an illegally constructed 'library' which the municipal authorities wanted to demolish. In the end, the authorities had to not only back off, but also promise to rebuild demolished mosques that had been illegally constructed on Government land.

As for our secular democracy, fanatics have always had their way with the Government of the day. Not only has the Government of India repeatedly caved in before fanatics, it has willingly offered to accommodate their absurd and illegitimate demands to buy peace. So we have a situation where Islamic banking is being talked of as a secular necessity and Islamisation of the economy as a precondition for India's development. Where's the conflict?




6 posted on 02/25/2007 1:19:41 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: PRePublic
And that's never going to happen.

I don't know about that. Princess Di gave indications of converting to Islam before her death. Prince Charles (aka Crazy Charlie) is cozying up to the rag heads. Those who claim to be Christians are declining each year. And with the way it seems the government is bending over backward to them, Britain may indeed become an Islamic nation.

7 posted on 02/25/2007 1:27:33 AM PST by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ He shoots people and breaks things.)
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To: Quix

Holy Cow! You were born on the same exact day as my sister. ( Remind me to give her a call later today. )


8 posted on 02/25/2007 1:31:33 AM PST by dr_lew
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To: Quix

Happy Birthday Quix!


9 posted on 02/25/2007 1:33:04 AM PST by endthematrix (Both poverty and riches are the offspring of thought.)
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To: Quix

Happy Birthday, Quix!


10 posted on 02/25/2007 1:33:57 AM PST by panaxanax (Ronald Reagan would vote for Duncan Hunter!)
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To: dr_lew

I think I'll wish her congratulations instead of condolences.

Thx.

LOL.


11 posted on 02/25/2007 1:36:08 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: endthematrix

Thanks much.

Much appreciated.


12 posted on 02/25/2007 1:36:43 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Jemian

As things get worse, I expect a spiritual renewal of sorts in Britain. Maybe not of the scale needed, unfortunately, but a Christian identity should begin to re-solidify.

But what do I know? I'm a silly American, but I lived and worked in Britain. I went to church regularly when I was there, and I had classmates and co-workers who hadn't been to a church in years who would go with me.

Such as shame, as well. Britain is home to such a beautiful spiritual history and church. I can't imagine how anyone attending evensong couldn't help but be moved...


13 posted on 02/25/2007 1:37:19 AM PST by CheyennePress
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To: panaxanax

Thanks much.

Much appreciated.


Listening to

A BROKEN HEART by . . . John Aldridge . . .

http://www.lugenheim.com/Son_Rise_Church.htm

HEALTH A MORE EXCELLENT WAY.

Great stuff.

Lingering chest congestion has me sitting up so listening to something good.

I recommend it to anyone with serious relational and/or physical problems.


14 posted on 02/25/2007 1:39:29 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Quix
but it's Sunday. And my 60th birthday

Happy birthday kid.

15 posted on 02/25/2007 1:40:37 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

THANKS THANKS.

Much appreciated.


16 posted on 02/25/2007 1:41:52 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: Quix

Hurray, Happy young 60th Bitrhday!


17 posted on 02/25/2007 1:45:51 AM PST by PRePublic
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To: Beckwith
Scary, i hope Eurabia wakes up, it's encouraging to see such courageous writers (as in the article), appearing in mainstream UK papers.
18 posted on 02/25/2007 1:47:07 AM PST by PRePublic
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To: CarrotAndStick

Valid point, "If Islamic fundamentalism is justified...".


19 posted on 02/25/2007 1:48:51 AM PST by PRePublic
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To: Jemian

They have a choice either follow the French faliure or the American success...


20 posted on 02/25/2007 1:50:37 AM PST by PRePublic
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To: PRePublic

It seems odd that our next war with Brittan, won't be against Brittan's.


21 posted on 02/25/2007 2:00:59 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
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To: PRePublic

BIG THANKS.

MUCH APPRECIATED.


22 posted on 02/25/2007 2:06:25 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS WORTHY; GOD ALONE PAID THE PRICE; GOD ALONE IS ABLE)
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To: PRePublic
The Enemy Within. Keep your eyes and ears open, here too.
23 posted on 02/25/2007 2:11:40 AM PST by madconserv (Jesus take the wheel- The time is here.)
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Is this the beginning of the Boxer Short Reformation?


24 posted on 02/25/2007 2:12:54 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: PRePublic

Accomodating and appeasing the trappings of radicalism will only make muslims more radical. Strict laws against the trappings of radicalism will send the radicals scurrying back to their self created hellholes.


25 posted on 02/25/2007 2:36:59 AM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: Quix

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! Did you know that with the new, new math that 60 is the new 40?


26 posted on 02/25/2007 2:48:20 AM PST by Mila (i)
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To: CheyennePress

I really hope you are correct. I work with some Brits who are Christians. They are particular discouraged about the state of the church.


27 posted on 02/25/2007 2:57:04 AM PST by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ He shoots people and breaks things.)
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To: Quix

Happy Brthday


28 posted on 02/25/2007 3:02:07 AM PST by CindyDawg (Duncan Hunter Tagline in process)
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To: CarrotAndStick
uses books that teach Muslim children Jews are "repugnant" and Christians are "pigs". Hindus, being 'kafirs', do not merit mention in such texts...

Because Jews and Christians are the only threat to the fallen angel who Muslims worship.

29 posted on 02/25/2007 3:07:08 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: PRePublic; familyop

You wouldn't believe, the top-rated downloads on Microsoft's Vista Application site are some weird Islamic prayer times software:

http://vista.gallery.microsoft.com/vista/SideBar.aspx?mkt=en-us


30 posted on 02/25/2007 3:43:04 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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You wouldn't believe, the top-rated downloads on Microsoft's Vista Application site are some weird Islamic prayer times softwares:

http://vista.gallery.microsoft.com/vista/SideBar.aspx?mkt=en-us


31 posted on 02/25/2007 3:43:17 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jemian

The Britts should all stock up on ammo for their hunting rifles and self defence hand guns.


32 posted on 02/25/2007 4:00:43 AM PST by JOHANNES801 (I have no tag line, cause I say nasty things.)
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To: Quix

Wow! 60? You don't look a day over 39!

Good on ya!

Happy Birthday!


33 posted on 02/25/2007 4:14:55 AM PST by Dinah Lord (fighting the Islamofascist Jihad - one keystroke at a time...)
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To: JOHANNES801
The Britts should all stock up on ammo for their hunting rifles and self defence hand guns.
You're obviously not up to date on gun restrictions in Britain. The average British Citizen subject is basically disarmed.
An "oldie but goodie" to start you on your learning trip...
ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE: GUN PROHIBITION IN ENGLAND AND SOME LESSONS FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES IN AMERICA
34 posted on 02/25/2007 4:26:29 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Quix
"Strikes me the Muslim Council will only ever stop whinging the day Britain becomes an Islamic state."

Bingo!

Oh, by the way, Happy Birthday Quix!! :-)

35 posted on 02/25/2007 4:30:52 AM PST by sneakers
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Hell I know that,I was just being a smart ass.


36 posted on 02/25/2007 4:34:40 AM PST by JOHANNES801 (I have no tag line, cause I say nasty things.)
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Hell I know that,I was just being a smart ass.
Damn, I thought that that was my job.
I feel so encroached upon. {;^)
37 posted on 02/25/2007 4:42:41 AM PST by philman_36
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To: PRePublic

"One wonders why the Muslims who agree with these demands bother to live in this country at all - because patently nothing about it suits them."

Given a few more years and it will be a wonder why native Brits live in Britain at all.


38 posted on 02/25/2007 4:46:17 AM PST by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: philman_36

My wife is from Rhoadisha.Her brother has been in England for the past 24 years.We hear first hand how bad it is,no freedom.He was arrested a while back for having a pocket knive in his pocket.


39 posted on 02/25/2007 4:46:48 AM PST by JOHANNES801 (I have no tag line, cause I say nasty things.)
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To: PRePublic
What is the treatment for a muslim (muslimiasma) infection?

Radical surgery?

40 posted on 02/25/2007 4:47:40 AM PST by Thumper1960 (Unleash the Dogs of War as a Minority, or perish as a party.)
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To: Quix

Happy birthday to you. And many moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!


41 posted on 02/25/2007 4:48:18 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Quix
Happy Birthday FRiend!

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

42 posted on 02/25/2007 4:51:21 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: oldenuff2no

"we in the western world need to treat muslims in exactly the same way that Christians are treated in saudi"

I couldn't agree more. When is the western world going to wise up?


43 posted on 02/25/2007 4:57:51 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: PRePublic

The world suffers from two plagues: the plague of leftism and the plague of Islamic fundamentalism. Both are equally deadly. Leftist military power was disarmed, but leftist thought has never been destroyed. Since the fall of the Soviet Union the leftist plague seeks to defeat the world with it's ideas rather than militarily. The Islamo-fundies or fascists wish to do it at gunpoint.


44 posted on 02/25/2007 4:59:07 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Quix

Well, happy birthday and God bless...


45 posted on 02/25/2007 5:00:09 AM PST by OldBlondBabe
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To: Beckwith
Thanks for that excellent piece of information. I especially like the inclusion of specific countries as examples.

Is there perhaps a typo in the 'From 5% on, ...' paragraph? While it describes 5%+ effects, the example lists South Africa as a 2% Muslim population.

46 posted on 02/25/2007 5:08:58 AM PST by Bob
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To: JOHANNES801
He was arrested a while back for having a pocket knive in his pocket.
Oh no, there's no slippery slope with gun control. It's only about guns. /sarcasm
47 posted on 02/25/2007 5:14:06 AM PST by philman_36
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And that's never going to happen< P>Whistling past a post-Christian graveyard.
48 posted on 02/25/2007 5:17:49 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE)
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To: Beckwith

bttt


49 posted on 02/25/2007 5:26:18 AM PST by aberaussie (Ignorance has a cost.)
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Carole Malone JUST where does the Muslim Council of Great Britain get off demanding that Muslim...

Honey, they get off on the fact in about twenty years YOU will be the minority population.

Get used to it

Better pick out your head scarf to cover your infidel head before it gets removed

50 posted on 02/25/2007 5:27:00 AM PST by Popman ("What I was doing wasn't living, it was dying. I really think God had better plans for me.")
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