Skip to comments.MUSLIMS CAN'T RULE IN SCHOOL
Posted on 02/25/2007 12:59:25 AM PST by PRePublic
MUSLIMS CAN'T RULE IN SCHOOL
25 February 2007
Carole Malone JUST where does the Muslim Council of Great Britain get off demanding that Muslim schoolchildren have their own changing rooms in schools for sport and swimming? They also want single-sex classes for sex education, different assemblies, their own prayer rooms and special canteen staff to prepare halal food.
Oh yes, and they want girls to be allowed to wear headscarves in all lessons and male pupils to be allowed to grow beards if they want to. Not only that but the Council want the whole exam schedule to be revised so that Muslims don't have to take exams during Ramadan because they're weakened by fasting.
One wonders why the Muslims who agree with these demands bother to live in this country at all - because patently nothing about it suits them.
One also wonders what would happen if Christian children living in an Islamic country rocked up to school wearing a skirt above the knee, a bit of make-up and a shirt that showed off a few centimetres of flesh. At a guess they'd be stoned to death.
I'm sorry but there's no other country in the civilised world that busts a gut the way Britain does to be inclusive and to promote cultural diversity. But these latest demands from a community that accounts for just three per cent of the British population is a joke. Strikes me the Muslim Council will only ever stop whinging the day Britain becomes an Islamic state. And that's never going to happen. And if they're so unhappy with British schools and what goes on in them, why don't they shove off somewhere that suits them better - like Afghanistan.
In this country no one religion is more important than another. And while we do what we can to accommodate that, it won't be at the expense of other religions.
Doesn't this constitute a major rebellion against accommodationism? Haven't people been prosecuted for "hate speech" for this kind of thing?
I could add a few thousand choice words . . . but it's Sunday. And my 60th birthday . . . and I'd rather not write in that kind of outrage.
Posted on 02/23/2007 10:29:57 PM EST by CarrotAndStick
Flipping through a recent issue of Time, I came across an interview with Hungarian-born Holocaust survivor and Nobel laureate Imre Kertesz, better known for his novels Fatelessness, Kaddish for a Child Not Born and Liquidation. During the course of the interview, Kertesz, with touching humility, makes two interesting points which are, in many ways, inter-linked. In response to a question, he says, "It is not always worthwhile to compromise."
Later, answering another question, he is more lucid: "There has been a struggle between the negative and the positive, and we are deep in this fight at the moment. The real fight will not be between nations, but a struggle between fanaticism and democracy. Terrorists do not have a common list of demands on which to base negotiations. Fanatical hatred has taken over the world and this phenomenon conflicts with rational politics that is accustomed to negotiation and compromise."
My immediate reaction to such profound observation was to try and figure out how to reconcile the two points - if it is "not always worthwhile to compromise", then why should we be besotted with "rational politics that is accustomed to negotiation and compromise"? That apart, it's difficult to quibble over his comment that "fanatical hatred has taken over the world". Kertesz carefully avoids attaching any label to this fanaticism, but since I am not known for being politically correct, I have no hesitation in elaborating on this point. Much of the fanaticism that we witness today originates from a fundamentalist reading and practice of Islam that makes individuals intolerant and repudiate democracy and secularism.
Strangely, while the practitioners of Islamic fundamentalism insist it is their right to be fanatical about their faith, they are unwilling to allow those who subscribe to other faiths similar fanaticism. I recall getting into an argument with the venerable editor of an Arabic magazine, published from Cairo, over lunch at India House while the Ambassador looked increasingly alarmed. The editor, an accomplished man who had spent the better part of his life in Paris and was no fire-breathing Islamist zealot, was remarkably passionate in his defence of Islamic fundamentalism and fundamentalists. "We don't just believe in Islam, we practice it. And only when we practice the fundamentals of Islam can we claim to be good Muslims. If those fundamentals make us fundamentalists, so be it. And if those fundamentals militate against what others believe in, it is the others who must compromise on their beliefs and accommodate our fundamentalism," he said, his voice, stridently shrill, rising with each sentence. My post-lunch notes also refer to some other points made by him, but they are not really germane to the issue.
If Islamic fundamentalism is justified, then so is Christian fundamentalism, Jewish fundamentalism and Hindu fundamentalism, I suggested to him, half in jest, mindful that it was an official lunch. "No. No other religion demands of its followers to be fundamentalists. They can't just decide to be fanatical about their faith. Fundamentalism of any other variety is wrong and unacceptable," he asserted. In brief, in the cloistered world of fundamentalist Islam, everything else is wrong, including legitimate criticism of Islamic fanaticism that rejects rational, secular politics but expects accommodation and compromise, both on its terms.
Seen from the perspective of those who subscribe to - and defend - fundamentalist Islam and the fanaticism that it breeds, it is perfectly alright to use textbooks in schools that denigrate other faiths. Hence, King Fahad Academy in London uses books that teach Muslim children Jews are "repugnant" and Christians are "pigs". Hindus, being 'kafirs', do not merit mention in such texts, thank god for small mercies. Hence also the demand that hate speech laws should not apply to Muslims because it is their religious duty to denigrate others, but others do not have the right to either protest against such denigration or question the basis of this presumed right of the fanatics.
It is not only liberal democratic Governments in the West who are being alarmingly discomfited by the clamourous assertion of the fanatics' right to be obnoxiously hurtful in thought and deed, but also regimes that rule Arabic and Muslim-majority states which dot the map of Arabia and beyond. King Abdullah would be delighted to see fanatics chased out of Saudi Arabia, if not lined up and beheaded in public squares. President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt has stepped up his fight against the Muslim Brotherhood, the progenitor of Islamism and Islamic fanaticism. Jordan's King Abdullah II rules with an iron fist and disallows even a squeak that smells of Islamism. In the Maghreb, rulers refuse to acknowledge the very presence of fanatical Islam. In the lesser states of Arabia, calculated emphasis on generating wealth and using it for development has kept Islamists in check. But in countries like Pakistan, as also African states where Islam is the predominant religion, fanatics need not fear either Government or society. In Iran, fanaticism rules.
President Pervez Musharraf, talking to the BBC, admitted that "Islamic fanatics have the potential to destroy Pakistan" and described their rising political strength as a "nightmare". What he did not admit, however, was his utter failure to check the growth of Islamism or political Islam which flows from fanaticism. For all his bluff and bluster and his claimed emphasis on "enlightened moderation", Gen Musharraf has singularly failed in confronting fanatics. Instead, he has repeatedly sought negotiation and compromise, falling back on what Kertesz describes as "rational politics" to deal with irrational demands, often with comical results. The pistol-packing, fatigues-wearing General beat a hasty retreat when confronted with burqa-clad, AK-56-wielding women who ostensibly study theology at Hafsa Madarsa near Islamabad. They stood guard over an illegally constructed 'library' which the municipal authorities wanted to demolish. In the end, the authorities had to not only back off, but also promise to rebuild demolished mosques that had been illegally constructed on Government land.
As for our secular democracy, fanatics have always had their way with the Government of the day. Not only has the Government of India repeatedly caved in before fanatics, it has willingly offered to accommodate their absurd and illegitimate demands to buy peace. So we have a situation where Islamic banking is being talked of as a secular necessity and Islamisation of the economy as a precondition for India's development. Where's the conflict?
I don't know about that. Princess Di gave indications of converting to Islam before her death. Prince Charles (aka Crazy Charlie) is cozying up to the rag heads. Those who claim to be Christians are declining each year. And with the way it seems the government is bending over backward to them, Britain may indeed become an Islamic nation.
Holy Cow! You were born on the same exact day as my sister. ( Remind me to give her a call later today. )
Happy Birthday Quix!
Happy Birthday, Quix!
I think I'll wish her congratulations instead of condolences.
As things get worse, I expect a spiritual renewal of sorts in Britain. Maybe not of the scale needed, unfortunately, but a Christian identity should begin to re-solidify.
But what do I know? I'm a silly American, but I lived and worked in Britain. I went to church regularly when I was there, and I had classmates and co-workers who hadn't been to a church in years who would go with me.
Such as shame, as well. Britain is home to such a beautiful spiritual history and church. I can't imagine how anyone attending evensong couldn't help but be moved...
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HEALTH A MORE EXCELLENT WAY.
Lingering chest congestion has me sitting up so listening to something good.
I recommend it to anyone with serious relational and/or physical problems.
Happy birthday kid.
Hurray, Happy young 60th Bitrhday!
Valid point, "If Islamic fundamentalism is justified...".
They have a choice either follow the French faliure or the American success...
It seems odd that our next war with Brittan, won't be against Brittan's.
Is this the beginning of the Boxer Short Reformation?
Accomodating and appeasing the trappings of radicalism will only make muslims more radical. Strict laws against the trappings of radicalism will send the radicals scurrying back to their self created hellholes.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU! Did you know that with the new, new math that 60 is the new 40?
I really hope you are correct. I work with some Brits who are Christians. They are particular discouraged about the state of the church.
Because Jews and Christians are the only threat to the fallen angel who Muslims worship.
You wouldn't believe, the top-rated downloads on Microsoft's Vista Application site are some weird Islamic prayer times software:
You wouldn't believe, the top-rated downloads on Microsoft's Vista Application site are some weird Islamic prayer times softwares:
The Britts should all stock up on ammo for their hunting rifles and self defence hand guns.
Wow! 60? You don't look a day over 39!
Good on ya!
Oh, by the way, Happy Birthday Quix!! :-)
Hell I know that,I was just being a smart ass.
"One wonders why the Muslims who agree with these demands bother to live in this country at all - because patently nothing about it suits them."
Given a few more years and it will be a wonder why native Brits live in Britain at all.
My wife is from Rhoadisha.Her brother has been in England for the past 24 years.We hear first hand how bad it is,no freedom.He was arrested a while back for having a pocket knive in his pocket.
Happy birthday to you. And many moreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!
"we in the western world need to treat muslims in exactly the same way that Christians are treated in saudi"
I couldn't agree more. When is the western world going to wise up?
The world suffers from two plagues: the plague of leftism and the plague of Islamic fundamentalism. Both are equally deadly. Leftist military power was disarmed, but leftist thought has never been destroyed. Since the fall of the Soviet Union the leftist plague seeks to defeat the world with it's ideas rather than militarily. The Islamo-fundies or fascists wish to do it at gunpoint.
Well, happy birthday and God bless...
Is there perhaps a typo in the 'From 5% on, ...' paragraph? While it describes 5%+ effects, the example lists South Africa as a 2% Muslim population.
Honey, they get off on the fact in about twenty years YOU will be the minority population.
Get used to it
Better pick out your head scarf to cover your infidel head before it gets removed
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