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For All the Marbles
60Gunner

Posted on 02/28/2007 12:26:43 AM PST by 60Gunner

Sometime around 2AM a couple of weeks ago, a woman came into the ER complaining of nausea and epigastric pain that went up into her left chest and shoulder. She was old enough to be in the prime age group for heart attacks, and she was having a couple of the symptoms that make us a little nervous. That was reason enough for us to suspect that she was having a heart attack.

Remember the ER chest pain creed, kids? Come on, say it with me... "Every human being who comes through the door is having a heart attack until proven otherwise."

Well, okay. Not every human being. I would exclude those who have not yet been born, and those who have already died. All others are suspect.

Well, guess what? The woman was having an antero-lateral wall ST-elevation myocardial infarct (STEMI). For the laypersons out there, that means the front/side part of the woman's heart muscle was dying because of lack of oxygen. When that happens, it friggin' hurts. And after 3 spritzes of sublingual nitroglycerin, 325mg of aspirin, the start of a 10mcg/minute nitro drip, 12 mg of Morphine, and 5L/minute of oxygen, the woman was still having 10/10 crushing chest pain. Nothing was helping.

I was just getting ready to place a Foley catheter when I looked up at the patient's monitor and saw her go into what looked like ventricular tachycardia. The patient immediately lost consciousness.

At a loss for words, all I could do was slap the MD on the shoulder with the back of my hand and say "Hey!" as I directed his attention to the monitor.

Okay. I admit it isn't as sexy as saying, "Doctor, I believe our patient has gone into ventricular tachycardia," but it got the job done.

The MD said "Oh, crud," and stepped over to the patient as I moved over to the defibrillator, to which the patient had already been hooked up. After feeling for the patient's femoral pulse, he looked up at me and simply said, "shock her."

I hit the "charge" button on the machine and it made its usual bwooooooooop, rising in pitch until 200 joules (biphasic) was reached. Then it made an irritating warble that could have made Helen Keller wince. The machine was ready.

Everybody clear! I barked. Everyone jumped back from the patient and I hit the "shock" button.

Clunk.

The patient jumped, her arms and legs snapping outward. Her heart, having been dope-slapped, decided to get back with the program. That little rhythm strip at the top of this post shows what the defibrillator captured.

Turns out the rhythm was not V-tach, but Torsades de pointes. That's a lethal arrhythmia often talked about, but seen rarely. (Some medicos have never seen it in their entire careers, I am told.) The term is French, and it means "twisting of the points." Click on the picture. If you look closely, you will note that the points of the short, fast waves on the strip appear somewhat twisted around themselves- hence the name.

Be that as it may, the patient's heart found its way back into sinus rhythm, and the patient woke up within seconds afterward.

"How do you feel?" The MD asked.

The patient looked around foggily for a second or two, and finally said, "My chest pain is gone."

"Well, there you go," the MD said.

The patient was hastily packed up, shipped off to the cath lab, had her right coronary and left circumflex artery roto-rootered out, and made a quick recovery. She'll be fine.

That's what it boils down to, folks. Years of education, further years of experience, and hundreds of hours more of training are all packed into what totalled a mere ten seconds of time.

Yeah. It happens that fast. No Hollywood gomer can wrote this stuff. It just happens.

And you know what? I felt pretty damn good walking to my car after that.

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1 posted on 02/28/2007 12:26:47 AM PST by 60Gunner
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To: MaryFromMichigan; SunnyUsa; bad company; RobFromGa; doodlelady; Slings and Arrows; NonValueAdded; ..

ER Nursing stories ping.


2 posted on 02/28/2007 12:27:32 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner

What an excellent story! Good Job!!


3 posted on 02/28/2007 12:35:59 AM PST by dandelion
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To: 60Gunner

Was this because of the lack of Magnesium or the heart blockage ?


4 posted on 02/28/2007 12:40:02 AM PST by america-rules
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To: 60Gunner

Thanks for the post. Interesting.


5 posted on 02/28/2007 12:41:45 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: america-rules
Was this because of the lack of Magnesium or the heart blockage ?

You know, I am really not certain. She was not my patient; another person was acting as primary nurse. I was just helping out. I honestly have not thought to ask him what the patient's CMP (comprehensive metabolic panel for the layperson) studies looked like.

6 posted on 02/28/2007 12:43:39 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner
Good post and good story. It's a good thing to treat shock appropriately ASAP. My body went into shock for 14 hours straight back in '94 and I haven't felt the same since.

The best book I have come across on trauma is called Waking the Tiger by author Peter Levine. I only started feeling better physiologically after reading it. I recommend it highly and it's unfortunately not an incredibly well-known text.

We sometimes forget that the body always remembers on a cellular level. Every physiological experience is recorded. If you experience something shocking enough, and it's not treated almost immediately, your body may ache and hurt indefinitely.

PTSD isn't even close to being well-understood by the medical community, let alone the layman, at this point in time.

Thanks again for the excellent post.

7 posted on 02/28/2007 12:45:19 AM PST by jdm
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To: 60Gunner

That's a crazy EKG. I cannot even see the QRS pattern. Still, I'd rather see cariac temponade.


8 posted on 02/28/2007 12:48:04 AM PST by SoldierMedic (The measure of a man is what he does with power -Pittacus)
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To: jdm

Thank you, JDM, for your insight. I have not heard of this book, but I will certainly check it out.


9 posted on 02/28/2007 12:48:52 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: SoldierMedic

Cardiac Temponade


10 posted on 02/28/2007 12:49:13 AM PST by SoldierMedic (The measure of a man is what he does with power -Pittacus)
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To: 60Gunner

Thank you for sharing this with us. You write very well.


11 posted on 02/28/2007 12:50:14 AM PST by Jedidah
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To: 60Gunner

Excellent, riveting post.


12 posted on 02/28/2007 12:50:52 AM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: SoldierMedic
See, I thought the same thing. And your are right. It tik a few seconds for the patient's heart to "shake off" the effects of the shock that was delivered. But she settled into normal sinus rhythm after the strip ran out. The rhythm is funky, but she was perfusing. And that is the name of the game, isn't it?

BTW- thank you so much for your service. God bless you.

13 posted on 02/28/2007 12:53:11 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner

I should say thank you for your service. Truth be told, unitl I was ten I wanted nothing more than to be an M-60 Gunner in a Huey, and I was so crushed when I found out the Army didn't really use those anymore. Medic is still a great alternative.


14 posted on 02/28/2007 12:55:50 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007)
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To: SoldierMedic
If I would have it to do all over again, I would have chosen to be a medic. I can tell you from experience that is much more gratifying to put people back together than it is to take them apart.

Medics rock!

15 posted on 02/28/2007 12:58:03 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner
"Every human being who comes through the door is having a heart attack until proven otherwise."


The one they told me was, "Above the diaphram-get an electrocardiogram."
16 posted on 02/28/2007 1:01:22 AM PST by carumba (The secret of life is honesty and fair dealing. If you can fake that, you've got it made. Groucho)
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To: 60Gunner

Interesting read for a former 11B and current epileptic. Thank you for putting things in layman's terms, otherwise, I'd have been totally lost. ;^)


17 posted on 02/28/2007 1:04:25 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: carumba
The one they told me was, "Above the diaphram-get an electrocardiogram."

This is a good mnemonic, but not always true. I had an MI patient whose only presentation was bilateral elbow pain.

The wierd ones happen just often enough to keep us on our toes.

18 posted on 02/28/2007 1:06:36 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Thank you for putting things in layman's terms, otherwise, I'd have been totally lost.

That's the main idea behind my posts. I want to make sure that the layman understands what goes on in the ER. It isn't Hollywood.

19 posted on 02/28/2007 1:08:49 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner
Having been to a couple of ER's in the last 2-3 years for grand mal seizures, I've seen a lot of what you go through, but all the same, I hate the experience. Nothing personal, but I don't like hospitals.
20 posted on 02/28/2007 1:17:10 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
Nothing personal, but I don't like hospitals.

I hear you. They have to pay me to be there. ;o)

21 posted on 02/28/2007 1:19:07 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: 60Gunner

The only highlight for me is if they have one or two really good looking nurses, which is rare for when I usually show up: in the middle of the night, strapped to a stretcher pulled out of an ambulance...


22 posted on 02/28/2007 1:27:26 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: 60Gunner

Thanks for the story. I am sitting here in my drawers after another horrendous shift in our Emergency Department trying to get sleepy so I can sleep a few hours before I have to go do it again. I was late getting out because I had to do the Blood Born Pathogen routine on a cop who got stuck with a dirty needle while searching a Crack Heads car. As I was leaving through the E.D. waiting area, I had to go around the fist fight in the middle of the triage area between the HIV positive guy who was stabbed and the guy who did the stabbing who had apparently come back to finish the job.The Police who were there with their buddy who got needle stuck decided to break the fight up, so I took advantage of the lull in the fight to get out the door. The friends of the Stabee and the Stabbor were fighting in the parking lot , but I managed to miss all of them as I zipped out of the lot. Just rereading this makes me tired so I am going to sit back and finish my can of Vienna Sausage and drink my diet soft drink before I go on to bed.... Gosh, sometimes I LOVE MY JOB....Keep up the good work...


23 posted on 02/28/2007 1:30:08 AM PST by contrarian (Vienna Sausage- Real heart smart snack food.)
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To: contrarian

They give us in the infantry(ex) the CIB if we fight in action. They need to give ER folks a medal for stuff like that...


24 posted on 02/28/2007 1:34:58 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

I agree--- by the way, I was a door gunner then a flight engineer on a Chinook Helicopter in Viet Nam before I went into emergency Medicine... I call it my premed crash course.....LOL.. I feel right at home...


25 posted on 02/28/2007 1:39:48 AM PST by contrarian (Vienna Sausage- Real heart smart snack food.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
The only highlight for me is if they have one or two really good looking nurses...

If you get enough narcotics, I can be pretty good-looking. (shudder).

26 posted on 02/28/2007 1:42:57 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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To: contrarian

LOL! Having seen the action at the ER at Charity in New Orleans, I'd consider Baghdad safer at some times...


27 posted on 02/28/2007 1:44:50 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: 60Gunner

They've pumped plenty of painkillers into me, in fact last month, during a seizure, my shoulder was knocked out of it's socket, and I didn't realize it till later that night, when the meds wore off. That got me another trip to the ER the next morning where the doctor, after taking X-Rays and keeping me in agony for an hour or so, pushed my shoulder back into the socket(on a scale of 1-10 as far as pain is concerned, this was 11).

But they've yet to pump enough stuff into me where I can't distinguish between a good-looking babe and a guy... ;^)


28 posted on 02/28/2007 1:56:57 AM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) ("We're Living In A Twilight World..."- Swingout Sister)
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To: 60Gunner
Love your threads man!

And I don't mean the Moe Jacket:)

29 posted on 02/28/2007 2:30:53 AM PST by Pontiac (Patriotism is the natural consequence of having a free mind in a free society.)
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To: 60Gunner

Glad you enjoy your work. ER Docs, as my friend told me years ago, essetially are telling he whole world "I fear no disease". After a year moonligting as one I discovered ther were a whole lot of diseases I feared...

God Bless you.


30 posted on 02/28/2007 2:57:22 AM PST by wastoute
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To: 60Gunner

Thanks for the ping 60Gunner

Best Regards

alfa6 ;>}


31 posted on 02/28/2007 5:06:09 AM PST by alfa6 (Taxes are seldom levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)
the doctor, after taking X-Rays and keeping me in agony for an hour or so, pushed my shoulder back into the socket(on a scale of 1-10 as far as pain is concerned, this was 11).

My worst pain ever, (and I have had some significant injuries) was when I had a blood clot, blocking my popiteal artery. No amount of morphine helped.

Thanks again 60Gunner for your excellent posts.

32 posted on 02/28/2007 6:41:24 AM PST by Colorado Doug
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To: ABG(anybody but Gore)

oops, I left the point out of my post. I'm with you ABG, they don't make enough drugs for that to happen.


33 posted on 02/28/2007 6:44:27 AM PST by Colorado Doug
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To: 60Gunner

LOL!


34 posted on 02/28/2007 7:31:24 AM PST by null and void (Let's play 6 of global warming...)
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To: contrarian; 60Gunner

Wow!

Just Wow!

Words fail me.

I have a cousin who has done ER work at BAMC. The stories he can tell, well....

You guys are awesome!


35 posted on 02/28/2007 8:17:14 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (Warning. If your tagline is funny... I may steal it.)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

ER Nursing stories ping.


36 posted on 02/28/2007 10:03:58 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: 60Gunner

You gotta write that book!

These stories are too kewl. And I hate hospitals.


37 posted on 02/28/2007 10:08:49 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (When I search out the massed wheeling circles of the stars, my feet no longer touch the earth)
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To: 60Gunner
Great story.

I hope that you do not mind that I have passed it along to a number of folks already.

I did not realize that the Torsades effect was that rare.

Of course I have never seen any of this stuff, but I've read about it some.
38 posted on 02/28/2007 12:24:33 PM PST by Radix (Voting: Its not just for thinking persons anymore.)
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To: 60Gunner

Nice job! The only Torsades I've seen are in a textbook.


39 posted on 02/28/2007 1:57:51 PM PST by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: 60Gunner

It is rewarding to feel pretty damn good after a long nights work. Great job! Keep the stories coming


40 posted on 03/01/2007 2:12:27 PM PST by niteowl77
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To: 60Gunner

A little late to the party, but what a fantastic story!

May I please be added to the ping list? Thanks!


41 posted on 03/04/2007 12:04:23 PM PST by Theresawithanh (Don't be rediki... riducke...rudicki...stoopid!)
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To: Theresawithanh

Theresa, you are on the list. Thank you for your encouraging words!


42 posted on 03/05/2007 1:42:37 AM PST by 60Gunner (ER Nursing: Saving humanity... one life at a time.)
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