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To: AZRepublican
You know, I think Hillary Clinton is an extremely dangerous woman and I will do everything in my power to prevent her election to the presidency - but if you read what I wrote when I was 21 it would tell you nothing about my thinking now.

The thought that all the crap I wrote down when I was in college could be the measure of me 35 years later is chilling, and absurd.

2 posted on 03/02/2007 5:06:03 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: Jim Noble

I agree, but I don't think that's the point. Her words are sure to be embarrassing and I suspect anti-American. For one thing we should have the opportunity to see if she actually WILL say her views are different. For another thing, she should, for once, be subjected to the same microscope she others to be under.


3 posted on 03/02/2007 5:12:09 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Jim Noble
The thought that all the crap I wrote down when I was in college could be the measure of me 35 years later is chilling, and absurd.

LOL. But it sounds as though wisdom has come with age in your case. The same can't be said for Hillie.

4 posted on 03/02/2007 5:18:27 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Jim Noble

It would be interesting to compare the wording of her thesis with the words in that interview with Der Spiegel in Germany during her book tour.

From some of the translated quotes, that interview contained several supportive statements endorsing socialistic approaches to global issues.

[I have only seen an Internet-translation of the article. It would be interesting to see a version translated by someone who has the capability. That article, from the quotes I read, could be a real hot potato for the Senatorette.]


10 posted on 03/02/2007 5:22:46 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Jim Noble

I'd be hard pressed to remember the pearls of wisdom I committed to paper that many years ago. All I can really remember is that I knew pretty much everything
/snicker


13 posted on 03/02/2007 5:26:12 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there)
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To: Jim Noble
"but if you read what I wrote when I was 21 it would tell you nothing about my thinking now."

- But this is no normal university assignment, churned out over the weekend to meet a deadline. It was a 92 page thesis presumably produced after great thought and a thorough review of Alinsky and his writings. The writer of this story goes to great lengths to downplay Alinsky's Marxist teaching while playing up those few instances where Hitlery mildly disagrees with his tactics (but not his objectives).
If this thesis had been done by George Bush, his detractors would be going over it with a fine tooth comb to find evidence of his radicalism and wouldn't hesitate to lift his words out of context to prove it.
25 posted on 03/02/2007 5:34:32 AM PST by finnigan2
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To: Jim Noble; NonValueAdded; All
OTOH, if her thesis is actualized by her recent history and current actions...
STALINIST RISING?
HILLARY CLINTON ABUSE OF POWER
(WHERE IS THE UNREDACTED BARRETT REPORT ANYWAY?)


 

From HILLARY "Zelig" CLINTON: WHEN A CONGENITAL LIAR'S RUTHLESS AMBITION EXCEEDS HER ABILITY:


This brilliant Alinsky-clinton observation by beyond the sea is the perfect segue to an analysis of Alinsky's influence on hillary clinton... which leads inexorably to hillary rodham's closely guarded Wellesley thesis. (Plan to do an extended piece on that shortly.)

In the Wellesley thesis, hillary discussed "how to change the American political culture." This discussion occurred in the context of a tribute to the leftist political organizer, her mentor, Saul Alinsky.

Does missus clinton reveal her own thoughts on the radicalization and even balkanization of the American political process? We can't yet say with certainty because the thesis has been sealed--closed to public scrutiny--from the moment missus clinton insinuated her radicalizing, balkanizing, liquidating self onto the national political stage.

If I had to guess, I would say she adopted Saul Alinsky's theories and practices without modification: hillary clinton exhibits no creativity, no vision of her own and tends to glom onto the latest fashion, whether it's Alinsky's Stalinist methods... or New Age occultism, recall her attraction to the teachings of

  • Marianne Williamson, who some described as a "Jewish charismatic spiritualist"
  • Ken Scott Nateshvar, yogi to the stars
  • and the pièce de résistance, Jean Houston, the Director of the Foundation for Mind Research.

Houston was described by some as a "New Age" author who "studied psychic experiences and mystical connections to historical figures and other worlds." When the story of the Houston connection became public Houston became known as hillary clinton's "Eleanor Roosevelt Conduit."

Although she baked no cookies, didn't do illicit land or cattle deals and stood by no man, hillary clinton starred in the triple role of the Cook, the Thief and his Wife. Her lover was played at once vaporously and in workmanlike fashion by the ghost of Eleanor Roosevelt, with Janet Reno, between her stints rendering intermittent injustice for the Husband, as the reliable stand-in. Sidney Blumenthal was the stand-in for the Cook and Craig Livingstone the stand-in for the Thief. The last-minute addition of Christopher Hitchens as the snitch was a stroke of absolute genius notwithstanding its cerebral accident, its predictable-if-perfect pitch (or its facile alliteration).

by Mia T, January 3, 2006
Alien Abductions, Flying Saucers
+ Other Weird Phenomena, c.1992-2000


There is a great emotional likeness there too. Thank you for putting the photos side by side.

On Alinsky (http://www.vcn.bc.ca/citizens-handbook/rules.html)

For Alinsky, organizing is the process of highlighting what is wrong and convincing people they can actually do something about it. The two are linked. If people feel they don't have the power to change a bad situation, they stop thinking about it.

According to Alinsky, the organizer -- especially a paid organizer from outside -- must first overcome suspicion and establish credibility. Next the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy. This is necessary to get people to participate. An organizer has to attack apathy and disturb the prevailing patterns of complacent community life where people have simply come to accept a bad situation. Alinsky would say, "The first step in community organization is community disorganization."--beyond the sea


26 posted on 03/02/2007 5:36:13 AM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Jim Noble
The thought that all the crap I wrote down when I was in college could be the measure of me 35 years later is chilling, and absurd.

True, but it would still be a useful data point, if only to demonstrate how far your views had changed.

When I was 15 or 16, Saul Alinsky was invited to speak at my high school. He was treated like royalty (although I'm not sure that I fully grasped the meaning of his brand of politics) and I shot two rolls of Kodachrome portraits of him while he was speaking. When I was 20, I was a registered Democrat and I thought that libertarians were wierdos (well, there's a contingent on FR that still thinks that libertarians are wierdos). By the time that I was 21, though, I had had my epiphany and was well on my way towards my current brand of politics. The change in my thinking by age 21 mirrored my growing understanding of the world and the maturing of my intellect. Can't say that about Hillary, though...

29 posted on 03/02/2007 5:38:29 AM PST by Zeppo (We live in the Age of Stupidity. [Dennis Prager])
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To: Jim Noble
if you read what I wrote when I was 21 it would tell you nothing about my thinking now.

It can even be frightening to read my own FR posts from last year. lol

31 posted on 03/02/2007 5:47:44 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Jim Noble

Your point is all well and good, but just exactly why was it sealed by the President of the United States of America for nearly a decade? There's gotta be a reason for this highly unusual action.


45 posted on 03/02/2007 6:14:27 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: Jim Noble
"The thought that all the crap I wrote down when I was in college could be the measure of me 35 years later is chilling, and absurd"

Ain't that the truth...Back then I was a card carrying ACLU member etc etc ...thought we, the U.S. could support/save the world....How things change....

48 posted on 03/02/2007 6:20:38 AM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: Jim Noble

"The thought that all the crap I wrote down when I was in college could be the measure of me 35 years later is chilling, and absurd."

Sure, but one puts a bit of effort and polish into a master's thesis.


53 posted on 03/02/2007 6:30:54 AM PST by Flightdeck
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To: Jim Noble

Just as absurd as Barack Obama having supposedly gone to a Madras in Indonesia when he was a child? I remember how the MSM knocked that around about 3 or 4 weeks ago.


58 posted on 03/02/2007 6:38:35 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Jim Noble
The thought that all the crap I wrote down when I was in college could be the measure of me 35 years later is chilling, and absurd.

Just wait and see what the Google Cache and archive.org bring up for future "leaders" in the next couple of decades!

62 posted on 03/02/2007 6:56:53 AM PST by D-Chivas
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/twenty/watch/hillary.html


108 posted on 03/02/2007 8:53:27 AM PST by AliVeritas (Stop Global Dhimming. Demand testicular fortitude from the hill. Call the crusade.)
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To: Jim Noble; hellinahandcart; kristinn; Doctor Raoul
The thought that all the crap I wrote down when I was in college could be the measure of me 35 years later is chilling, and absurd.

Perhaps, but her swipe at men while playing the victim in the dedication of her work is telling and true to form.

Fat Bottomed Girl (A.K.A. Her Arrogance) thinks she's better than men. 'Pod.

122 posted on 03/02/2007 9:19:33 AM PST by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: Jim Noble
You know, I think Hillary Clinton is an extremely dangerous woman and I will do everything in my power to prevent her election to the presidency - but if you read what I wrote when I was 21 it would tell you nothing about my thinking now.

But, there's a record of Hillary's intentions and actions ~~ radical socialism/power hunger, cloaked in a fake smile and useful tool husband.

She's not deviated far from her thesis .. it's just that there's so much radical rhetoric thrust about in the arena these days, hers may seem innocuous ~~ especially being coached in softer politicalspeak now.

Don't doubt the deadly seriousness of her intentions for ONE moment.

142 posted on 03/02/2007 10:13:50 AM PST by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Jim Noble

True. I've changed quite a bit but I was a Christian back then and pretty conservative. I'm just way more conservative now. I wonder if she's really change all that much.

The worst part of college papers is not only are a lot of college kids in the "brainwash" mode but sometimes they feel compelled to write stuff just to go along with the professor for a good grade. It takes a lot of guts and chutzpah to write what one really thinks; damn the professor or what not.


176 posted on 03/02/2007 11:40:35 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Jim Noble
Ah but Hillary was and is a true believer. Look what she did as editor of the Yale Law review. She along with Marion Wright Edleman came up with the concept of children's rights which provide the state a means of entry into the family. The Chinese Government said during her visit that there was much that they could learn from Hillary. Her whole MO on health has not changed. So her senior thesis could probably be considered her Mien Kampf.
179 posted on 03/02/2007 11:51:12 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Jane Fonda was type cast in the movie "Klute")
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