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Columbus Day Under Fire (to be replaced by "Indigenous Day")
The Albuquerque Journal ^ | March 3, 2007 | Journal Staff

Posted on 03/03/2007 4:29:59 PM PST by CedarDave

A [NM] House committee has approved two measures that would replace Columbus Day with Indigenous Day.

Rep. Irvin Harrison, D-Gallup, who introduced both a bill (HB 1200) and a nonbinding memorial (HM 27), noted that nearly 200,000 Indian people live in New Mexico and said Indigenous Day "would be the perfect way to honor their contributions, accomplishments, history and culture."

Native students at the University of New Mexico Law School asked Harrison to sponsor the legislation. Many Native Americans have campaigned for Columbus Day to be dropped as a state holiday because it honors Christopher Columbus and is seen as a celebration of the conquest and ensuing bloodshed of native people on this continent.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: columbusday; holidays; pc
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We must at all times be politically correct.
1 posted on 03/03/2007 4:30:02 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

This must be what the last days of the Roman Empire was like.


2 posted on 03/03/2007 4:31:23 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: Uncle Hal

No kidding.


3 posted on 03/03/2007 4:34:22 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: CedarDave
"We must at all times be politically correct."
Quite the opposite. The feast day of St. Columbus is to be celebrated with solemn processions, bonfires and fireworks. And if they have a city fountain, let it flow with wine [the cheapest one possible] for the occasion.
4 posted on 03/03/2007 4:35:01 PM PST by GSlob
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To: CedarDave

So, they will honour all the critters that were in the Americas before humans migrated to them from Eastern Asia?


5 posted on 03/03/2007 4:35:47 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: CedarDave
Would the posters, etc., look like this?


6 posted on 03/03/2007 4:39:17 PM PST by Issaquahking (Pardon Compean and Ramos Now!)
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To: CedarDave

Screw Columbus, he stole the title from Lief Ericson. The Norse were here before him but there was nothing worth stealing to make them stay. Columbus never discovered America 1st because it was occupied when he landed here. I've always favored a Crazy Horse Day in lieu of Columbus Day.


7 posted on 03/03/2007 4:41:08 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Uncle Hal

"This must be what the last days of the Roman Empire was like."

Without a doubt. It seems that America is constantly looking for ways to divide herself and commit national suicide. It's depressing.

BTW, I know this is very non PC, but the Indians contribution was to be primative, and easy to conquer.


8 posted on 03/03/2007 4:41:19 PM PST by brownsfan (It's not a war on terror... it's a war with islam.)
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To: CedarDave

Up next in the Legislature, a bill to change Christmas to Santa Claus Day.


9 posted on 03/03/2007 4:41:34 PM PST by JellyJam (Best headline ever: "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists Are Muslims!")
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To: CedarDave

Indigenous Day?

The Indigenous had the Americas for 10,000 years and were still living in tents and wearing animal skins. In 500 years the newcomers replaced them and developed technology that allows us to sit in our heated and lit homes watching reality TV.

Well, OK, forget the reality TV.


10 posted on 03/03/2007 4:41:49 PM PST by oldbill
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To: CedarDave

Sadly, this will be another excuse to get falling down drunk.


11 posted on 03/03/2007 4:47:00 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: CedarDave

What I found interesting in reading history is that in 1492 India (which Columbus thought he'd reached) was called Hindustan at that time, so, he didn't call the natives he met "Indians" because he thought he was there, but, in writing back to his sponsors he said he met some people who were "in Deos" as in "people in god" ... hence the name "Indeos" or Indian ......


12 posted on 03/03/2007 4:47:26 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: CedarDave
The only thing "indigenous" was the weeds. EVERYBODY came from some place else. M2C
13 posted on 03/03/2007 4:48:43 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (When Can We expect a Movie about Milli Vanilli?)
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To: CedarDave

"Rep. Irvin Harrison, D-Gallup, who introduced both a bill (HB 1200) and a nonbinding memorial (HM 27), noted that nearly 200,000 Indian people live in New Mexico and said Indigenous Day ""

Indigenous Day,ha,ha,ha, what do theses people do? stay up nights dreamin up this crap ???


14 posted on 03/03/2007 4:48:49 PM PST by Obie Wan
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To: CedarDave
sorry ... secondly, it was in 1972 that the Department Of The Interior classified Indians as Native Americans which really PO'd the Indians because they were classified as conquered peoples ... it's like if Germany conquered Israel and then called them German-Isralies .... every Indian I met prefers to be called by their tribal name of which there are over 30 in the US alone ....
15 posted on 03/03/2007 4:50:12 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: oldbill

Well, the indigenous did eventually bring about Indian Casinos. About on par with reality TV.


16 posted on 03/03/2007 4:51:27 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Obie Wan

"Indigenous Day,ha,ha,ha, what do theses people do? stay up nights dreamin up this crap ???"

Apparently so.


17 posted on 03/03/2007 4:51:36 PM PST by FReepapalooza
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To: CedarDave
What unmittigated BS. If Columbus had not come and had not European civilization and ultimate America liberty come to this continent, then all of these people clamoring for an end to the day honoring Columbus would not have a legislature to "campaign" to.

They'd still be too worried with keeping warm, eating, and fighting off disease and enemy tribes to worry about such pleasantries and extravagances as trying to diss the very people who have ultimately been the source of their freedom and prosperity.

Oh...but I forgot...that's not what this is really about anyway. What it really is about is a bunch of malcontent, left leaning, socialistic, marxistic individuals trying to undercut and water down the American culture of freedom and prosperity that they so hate.

18 posted on 03/03/2007 4:54:34 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: CedarDave

"...their contributions, accomplishments, history and culture."

Which were.............................?


19 posted on 03/03/2007 4:56:11 PM PST by beelzepug (...making a sound like Lurch)
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To: K4Harty
The only thing "indigenous" was the weeds.

Sorry, most of the weeds out here are from someplace else, too. Like tumbleweeds (Russian thistle) from the Ukraine.

20 posted on 03/03/2007 4:56:14 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: Bringbackthedraft
IMHO, it had nothing to do with who discovered it first...it was about who, upon finding out about it, was able to get their culture firmly rooted here. Columbus' arrival and the subsequent European and then ultimate American governmental system that developed have provided the greatest prosperity, the highest standard of living, the most liberty, and ultimately the most peace and freeing of people's the world has ever known...without building an empire to do it.

The very condition and environment that allows these people to protest is precisely a result of the chain of eventss that got started with such voyages as Columbus.

21 posted on 03/03/2007 4:58:30 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Bringbackthedraft

In defense of Columbus, he is the guy that got the word going to the rest of Europe. He might not get the title of first guy, but he does deserve recognition.

Oh, and what is the latest on China getting here before Columbus? I remember a guy writing a book on how that subject a few years back.


22 posted on 03/03/2007 5:01:30 PM PST by tranzorZ
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To: brownsfan
Well, it was not so easy. In the Eastern part of the continent, there was two hundred years of struggle and bloody, bitter warfare. The western Indian wars were relatively short...if you do not count Texas and the Commanche or New Mexico and Arizona and the Apache where the wars went right on from Spanish to Mexican to Texan (in Texas) and to American for a couple of hundred years too.

Although it was not easy, I will grant you that given the technological and social differences, it was inevitable.

23 posted on 03/03/2007 5:01:35 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: JellyJam

They pick at the foundation of this great land hour by hour, day by day, week by week, George Washington and Abraham Lincoln's birthday to presidents day, and now Columbus day to indigenous day. This senator Harrison is dispicable. We are loosing the American identity! These feckless representatives,turncoat,UnAmerican socialists who we vote into office propose silly bills pandering to thier constituancy to bolster thier selfish political base. To insure that they cannot do a life time of damage I say TERM LIMITS!!!!


24 posted on 03/03/2007 5:01:48 PM PST by ronnie raygun (ID RATHER BE HUNTING WITH DICK THAN DRIVING WITH TED)
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To: beelzepug
"...their contributions, accomplishments, history and culture." Which were.............................?

Well they were very much more successful in eliminating illegal aliens in New Mexico. From 1680 to 1692 the "Pueblo Revolt" succeeded in forcing all Spaniards from Mexico back south to El Paso.

25 posted on 03/03/2007 5:02:21 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: oldbill

hehehe...exactly. If not for the bbarbarian Europeans [/sarcasm], then these idiots would have no legislature to complain to and would still be living in tents and wearing animal skins and worrying too much about their next meal, surviving disease, and fighting enemy tribes to be worried about such matters anyway.


26 posted on 03/03/2007 5:03:17 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: CedarDave

We don't even NEED scrappleface.


27 posted on 03/03/2007 5:03:40 PM PST by altura
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To: oldbill
The Indigenous had the Americas for 10,000 years and were still living in tents and wearing animal skins. In 500 years the newcomers replaced them and developed technology that allows us to sit in our heated and lit homes watching reality TV.

And be the premeire Republic on this planet that attemptes to bring freedom to the other areas of said planet that are still sloshing around in the 14th century. But hey, we should not let that get in the way of a bunch of morons that want to leach off our taxpayer funded safety nets for our less fortunate Citizens and otheres that chant we Americans are "the great satan."

Yea,

Right...

28 posted on 03/03/2007 5:04:20 PM PST by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, MMP AZ 2005, TxMMP El Paso Oct+April 2006 TxMMP Laredo - El Paso)
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To: Jeff Head

Very, very, very, well said. I think if you really want to put down Columbus as the bringer of evil conquest and bloodshed; you have to be intellectually hones and say you hate American culture and our collection of different people from around the world.


29 posted on 03/03/2007 5:04:49 PM PST by tranzorZ
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To: CedarDave

Bullsh*t!


30 posted on 03/03/2007 5:10:34 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: CedarDave
We still celebrate Confederate Memorial Day (Fourth Monday in April) in Alabama.

Some folks don't like it.

I think they should go jump in a lake.

31 posted on 03/03/2007 5:11:15 PM PST by Condor 63
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Screw Lief Erickson, the Sa'ami were here before the Norse, and certainly before the Asiatics who crossed over on the Bering landbridge.


32 posted on 03/03/2007 5:15:16 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Bringbackthedraft
"Screw Columbus, he stole the title from Lief Ericson....."

I believe the discovery part has to do with discovering the new world (America) for the Europeans for shorter trade routes to the Orient. He was a little off on his calculations, but he did have a goal he did sail into the great unknown at great risk. The flat earth concept was popular back so in many ways it was heroic.
33 posted on 03/03/2007 5:48:23 PM PST by Gop1040
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Fongu! Spoken by a Viking who made something of it after Columbus arrived.
34 posted on 03/03/2007 5:50:40 PM PST by shove_it
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To: CedarDave

OK, that'll work. Please excuse my disrespect.


35 posted on 03/03/2007 5:52:30 PM PST by beelzepug (...making a sound like Lurch)
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To: beelzepug

It was sarcasm...


36 posted on 03/03/2007 5:54:05 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave

I figured someone would shoot down my sarcastic theory! sheesh! :o)


37 posted on 03/03/2007 5:54:50 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (When Can We expect a Movie about Milli Vanilli?)
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To: CedarDave
CedarDave, that would be from New Mexico back south to El Paso. And boy did those Spaniards come back in a foul mood! There were not too many of those pesky Pueblo uprisings after they got through.
38 posted on 03/03/2007 5:55:11 PM PST by conservativeharleyguy (Technically, we're all Republicans.)
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To: Jeff Head
Yup. Like Henry Ford, who neither invented the auto nor mass production, Columbus got there "firstest with the mostest" so to speak.
39 posted on 03/03/2007 5:56:09 PM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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To: CedarDave

The liberals killed "Columbus Day" in 1992. It's still dead, get over it. Fight some other battle.


40 posted on 03/03/2007 6:00:17 PM PST by StACase
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To: Army Air Corps
Well, according to the verbal histories of some of my ancestors; we killed the people who were here before we came across from Siberia.

America, a nation of emigrants for 10,000 years and counting.
41 posted on 03/03/2007 6:14:34 PM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: CedarDave

I suppose "Aboriginal Day" would be politically incorrect. Whatever. We could, of course, celebrate them both. There are some wrinkles to be ironed out - I can wear a goofy green bowler on St. Paddy's Day when I'm getting sozzled but I bet they'd get ticked off if I wore a war bonnet on Aboriginal Day. Some folks got no sensayuma.


42 posted on 03/03/2007 6:23:40 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

While we're at it, let's change the names of Columbus Ohio, Georgia, New Mexico and elsewhere to Indigenous Ohio, Georgia, etc.


43 posted on 03/03/2007 6:29:46 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: SkyDancer

Hmmm....this sounds like folk etymology to me. I've seen some old maps -- dang, I don't know if I still have the book or not -- I'll have to look for it -- anyway, instead of "America," the map says "Nova India" -- Latin for "New India."

In Deos -- Hmmm....in Latin this would be gods, accusative plural rather than In Deis, ablative plural. In plus accusative is "into," compared to in plus ablative, which is "in."


44 posted on 03/03/2007 7:04:03 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Crazy Horse was one cool dude.


45 posted on 03/03/2007 7:13:07 PM PST by chalkfarmer
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To: CedarDave

***Well they were very much more successful in eliminating illegal aliens in New Mexico. From 1680 to 1692 the "Pueblo Revolt" succeeded in forcing all Spaniards from Mexico back south to El Paso.***

The Spaniards didn't stay gone for long though! In 1692 they came back.


46 posted on 03/03/2007 7:16:02 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Bringbackthedraft
» The Norse were here before him but there was nothing worth stealing to make them stay.

Ericson may have arrived first, but Columbus was the first one savvy enough to go back home and hold a press conference about it.

;)

47 posted on 03/03/2007 7:18:27 PM PST by TonyRo76 (American by birth. Patriot by choice. Christian by grace.)
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To: All

Diversity ain't it great! Let's continually pick scabs, Find and accentuate ALL that divides us and then wonder why we "can't just all get along". Good thing the evil white men thought enough to have the second amendment because we going to need it before long.

Bosnia, It's not just for Europe anymore!


48 posted on 03/03/2007 7:25:45 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I know, was trying post a humorous answer to the question.

49 posted on 03/03/2007 8:05:39 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: scrabblehack

Whatever ... it still is the fact that India was referred to as Hindustan in the 1400's ... my Latin is not up to your expertise ... but what Columbus conveyed to his sponsors was that the locals were "in god" or indeos ... however that translates out ..... as Indian ... today ...


50 posted on 03/03/2007 8:14:31 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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