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Doctors of Depravity
Daily Mail ^ | 3/2/07 | Christopher Hudson

Posted on 03/04/2007 2:53:43 AM PST by LibWhacker

After more than 60 years of silence, World War II's most enduring and horrible secret is being nudged into the light of day. One by one the participants, white-haired and mildmannered, line up to tell their dreadful stories before they die.

Akira Makino is a frail widower living near Osaka in Japan. His only unusual habit is to regularly visit an obscure little town in the southern Philippines, where he gives clothes to poor children and has set up war memorials.

Mr Makino was stationed there during the war. What he never told anybody, including his wife, was that during the four months before Japan's defeat in March 1945, he dissected ten Filipino prisoners of war, including two teenage girls. He cut out their livers, kidneys and wombs while they were still alive. Only when he cut open their hearts did they finally perish.

These barbaric acts were, he said this week, "educational", to improve his knowledge of anatomy. "We removed some of the organs and amputated legs and arms. Two of the victims were young women, 18 or 19 years old. I hesitate to say it but we opened up their wombs to show the younger soldiers. They knew very little about women - it was sex education."

Why did he do it? "It was the order of the emperor, and the emperor was a god. I had no choice. If I had disobeyed I would have been killed." But the vivisections were also a revenge on the "enemy" - Filipino tribespeople whom the Japanese suspected of spying for the Americans.

Mr Makino's prisoners seem to have been luckier than some: he anaesthetised them before cutting them up. But the secret government department which organised such experiments in Japanese-occupied China took delight in experimenting on their subjects while they were still alive.

A jovial old Japanese farmer who in the war had been a medical assistant in a Japanese army unit in China described to a U.S. reporter recently what it was like to dissect a Chinese prisoner who was still alive.

Munching rice cakes, he reminisced: "The fellow knew it was over for him, and so he didn't struggle when they led him into the room and tied him down. But when I picked up the scalpel, that's when he began screaming. I cut him open from the chest to the stomach and he screamed terribly, and his face was all twisted in agony.

"He made this unimaginable sound, he was screaming so horribly. But then finally he stopped.

"This was all in a day's work for the surgeons, but it really left an impression on me because it was my first time." The man could not be sedated, added the farmer, because it might have distorted the experiment.

The place where these atrocities occurred was an undercover medical experimentation unit of the Imperial Japanese Army. It was known officially as the Anti-Epidemic Water Supply and Purification Bureau - but all the Japanese who worked there knew it simply as Unit 731.

It had been set up as a biological warfare unit in 1936 by a physician and army officer, Shiro Ishii. A graduate of Kyoto Imperial University, Ishii had been attracted to germ warfare by the 1925 Geneva Protocol banning biological weapons. If they had to be banned under international law, reasoned Ishii, they must be extremely powerful.

Ishii prospered under the patronage of Japan's army minister. He invented a water filter which was used by the army, and allegedly demonstrated its effectiveness to Emperor Hirohito by urinating into it and offering the results to the emperor to drink. Hirohito declined, so Ishii drank it himself.

A swashbuckling womaniser who could afford to frequent Tokyo's upmarket geisha houses, Ishii remained assiduous in promoting the cause of germ warfare. His chance came when the Japanese invaded Manchuria, the region in eastern China closest to Japan, and turned it into a puppet state.

Given a large budget by Tokyo, Ishii razed eight villages to build a huge compound - more than 150 buildings over four square miles - at Pingfan near Harbin, a remote, desolate part of the Manchurian Peninsula.

Complete with an aerodrome, railway line, barracks, dungeons, laboratories, operating rooms, crematoria, cinema, bar and Shinto temple, it rivalled for size the Nazis' infamous death camp of Auschwitz-Birkenau.

The numbers of prisoners were lower. From 1936 to 1942 between 3,000 and 12,000 men, women and children were murdered in Unit 731. But the atrocities committed there were physically worse

than in the Nazi death camps. Their suffering lasted much longer - and not one prisoner survived.

At Unit 731, Ishii made his mission crystal clear. "A doctor's God-given mission is to block and treat disease," he told his staff, "but the work on which we are now to embark is the complete opposite of those principles."

The strategy was to develop biological weapons which would assist the Japanese army's invasion of south-east China, towards Peking.

There were at least seven other units dotted across Japanese-occupied Asia, but they all came under Ishii's command. One studied plagues; another ran a bacteria factory; another conducted experiments in human food and water deprivation, and waterborne typhus.

Another factory back in Japan produced chemical weapons for the army. Typhoid, cholera and dysentery bacteria were farmed for battlefield use.

Most of these facilities were combined at Unit 731 so that Ishii could play with his box of horrors. His word was law. When he wanted a human brain to experiment on, guards grabbed a prisoner and held him down while one of them cleaved open his skull with an axe. The brain was removed and rushed to Ishii's laboratory.

Human beings used for experiments were nicknamed "maruta" or "logs" because the cover story given to the local authorities was that Unit 731 was a lumber mill. Logs were inert matter, a form of plant life, and that was how the Japanese regarded the Chinese "bandits", "criminals" and "suspicious persons" brought in from the surrounding countryside.

Shackled hand and foot, they were fed well and exercised regularly. "Unless you work with a healthy body you can't get results," recalled a member of the Unit.

But the torture inflicted upon them is unimaginable: they were exposed to phosgene gas to discover the effect on their lungs, or given electrical charges which slowly roasted them. Prisoners were decapitated in order for Japanese soldiers to test the sharpness of their swords.

Others had limbs amputated to study blood loss - limbs that were sometimes stitched back on the opposite sides of the body. Other victims had various parts of their brains, lungs or liver removed, or their stomach removed and their oesophagus reattached to their intestines.

Kamada, one of several veterans who felt able to speak out after the death of Emperor Hirohito, remembered extracting the plague-infested organs of a fully conscious "log" with a scalpel.

"I inserted the scalpel directly into the log's neck and opened the chest," he said. "At first there was a terrible scream, but the voice soon fell silent."

Other experiments involved hanging prisoners upside down to discover how long it took for them to choke to death, and injecting air into their arteries to test for the onset of embolisms.

Some appear to have had no medical purpose except the administering of indescribable pain, such as injecting horse urine into prisoners' kidneys.

Those which did have a genuine medical value, such as finding the best treatment for frostbite - a valuable discovery for troops in the bitter Manchurian winters - were achieved by gratuitously cruel means.

On the frozen fields at Pingfan, prisoners were led out with bare arms and drenched with cold water to accelerate the freezing process.

Their arms were then hit with a stick. If they gave off a hard, hollow ring, the freezing process was complete. Separately, naked men and women were subjected to freezing temperatures and then defrosted to study the effects of rotting and gangrene on the flesh.

People were locked into high-pressure chambers until their eyes popped out, or they were put into centrifuges and spun to death like a cat in a washing machine. To study the effects of untreated venereal disease, male and female "logs" were deliberately infected with syphilis.

Ishii demanded a constant intake of prisoners, like a modern-day Count Dracula scouring the countryside for blood. His victims were tied to stakes to find the best range for flame-throwers, or used to test grenades and explosives positioned at different angles and distances. They were used as targets to test chemical weapons; they were bombarded with anthrax.

All of these atrocities had been banned by the Geneva Convention, which Japan signed but did not ratify. By a bitter irony, the Japanese were the first nation to use radiation against a wartime enemy. Years before Hiroshima, Ishii had prisoners' livers exposed to X-rays.

His work at Pingfan was applauded. Emperor Hirohito may not have known about Unit 731, but his family did. Hirohito's younger brother toured the Unit, and noted in his memoirs that he saw films showing mass poison gas experiments on Chinese prisoners.

Japan's prime minister Hideki Tojo, who was executed for war crimes in 1948, personally presented an award to Ishii for his contribution in developing biological weapons. Vast quantities of anthrax and bubonic plague bacteria were stored at Unit 731. Ishii manufactured plague bombs which could spread fatal diseases far and wide. Thousands of white rats were bred as plague carriers, and fleas introduced to feed on them.

Plague fleas were then encased in bombs, with which Japanese troops launched biological attacks on reservoirs, wells and agricultural areas.

Infected clothing and food supplies were also dropped. Villages and whole towns were afflicted with cholera, anthrax and the plague, which between them killed over the years an estimated 400,000 Chinese.

One victim, Huang Yuefeng, aged 28, had no idea that by pulling his dead friend's socks on his feet before burying him he would be contaminated.

All he knew was that the dead were all around him, covered in purple splotches and lying in their own vomit. Yuefeng was lucky: he was removed from a quarantine centre by a friendly doctor and nursed back to health.

But four relatives died. Yuefeng told Time magazine: "I hate the Japanese so much that I cannot live with them under the same sky."

The plague bombing was suspended after the fifth bacterial bombing when the wind changed direction and 1,700 Japanese troops were killed.

Before Japan surrendered, Ishii and army leaders were planning to carry the war to the U.S. They proposed using "balloon bombs" loaded with biological weapons to carry cattle plague and anthrax on the jet stream to the west coast of America.

Another plan was to send a submarine to lie off San Diego and then use a light plane carried on board to launch a kamikaze mission against the city. The war ended before these suicidal attacks could be authorised.

As well as Chinese victims, Russians, Mongolians, Koreans and some prisoners of war from Europe and the U.S. also ended up in the hands of Ishii, though not all at Unit 731.

Major Robert Peaty, of the Royal Army Ordnance Corps, was the senior British officer at Mukden, a prisoner-of-war camp 350 miles from Pingfan. Asked, after the war, what it was like, Peaty replied: "I was reminded of Dante's Inferno - abandon hope, all ye who enter here."

In a secret diary, Peaty recorded the regular injections of infectious diseases, disguised as harmless vaccinations, which were given to them by doctors visiting from Unit 731. His entry for January 30, 1943, records: "Everyone received a 5cc typhoid-paratyphoid A inoculation."

On February 23, his entry read: "Funeral service for 142 dead. 186 have died in 5 days, all Americans." Further "inoculations" followed.

Why, then, after the war, were nearly all the scientists at Unit 731 freed? Why did Dr Josef Mengele, the Nazi 'Angel of Death' at Auschwitz, have to flee to South America and spend the rest of his life in hiding, while Dr Shiro Ishii died at home of throat cancer aged 67 after a prosperous and untroubled life?

The answer is that the Japanese were allowed to erase Unit 731 from the archives by the American government, which wanted Ishii's biological warfare findings for itself.

In the autumn of 1945, General MacArthur granted immunity to members of the Unit in exchange for research data on biological warfare.

After Japan's surrender, Ishii's team fled back across China to the safety of their homeland. Ishii ordered the slaughter of the remaining 150 "logs" in the compound and told every member of the group to "take the secret to the grave", threatening death to anybody who went public.

Vials of potassium cyanide were issued in case anyone was captured. The last of his troops blew up the compound.

From then on, a curtain of secrecy was lowered. Unit 731 was not part of the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal. One reference to "poisonous serums" being used on the Chinese was allowed to slip by for lack of evidence.

Lawyers for the International Prosecution Section gathered evidence which was sent directly to President Truman. No more was heard of it.

The Americans took the view that all this valuable research data could end up in the hands of the Soviets if they did not act fast. This was, after all, the kind of information that no other nation would have had the ruthlessness to collect.

Thus the Japanese were off the hook. Unlike Germany, which atoned for its war crimes, Japan has been able to deny the evidence of Unit 731. When, as now, it does admit its existence, it refuses Chinese demands for an apology and compensation on the grounds that there is no legal basis for them - since all compensation issues had been settled by a treaty with China in 1972.

Many of the staff at Unit 731 went on to prominent careers. The man who succeeded Ishii as commander of Unit 731, Dr Masaji Kitano, became head of Green Cross, once Japan's largest pharmaceutical company.

Many ordinary Japanese citizens today would like to witness a gesture of atonement by their government. Meanwhile, if they want to know what happened, they can visit the museum that the Chinese government has erected in the only building at Pingfan which was not destroyed.

It does not have the specimens kept at Unit 731: the jars containing feet, heads and internal organs, all neatly labelled; or the six-foot-high glass jar in which the naked body of a Western man, cut vertically in two pieces, was pickled in formaldehyde.

But it does give an idea of what this Asian Auschwitz was like. In the words of its curator: "This is not just a Chinese concern; it is a concern of humanity."


TOPICS: Japan; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 03/04/2007 2:53:47 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

beyond belief. the same supremicist mentality as the out of control islamofascists


2 posted on 03/04/2007 3:04:58 AM PST by tkathy (Rudy is the latest phenomenenenenenenena)
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To: LibWhacker

This account of the atrocities committed turns my stomach.

I must be the most naive person in the world to have thought that Aushwitz was the worst inhumanity committed.
What the Nazi's did to their fellow man is unthinkable and now this.......


3 posted on 03/04/2007 3:06:50 AM PST by estrogen (I)
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To: LibWhacker

If we were fighting that war today, we would have re-deployed to the United States after taking six thousand casualties on Iwo Jima. And the left would be screaming for a Dept. of Peace to hold a conference with Japan and Nazi Germany.


4 posted on 03/04/2007 3:15:32 AM PST by NavVet (O)
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To: LibWhacker

I simply couldn't read it all. It was too horrifying.


5 posted on 03/04/2007 3:17:56 AM PST by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: estrogen

My God.

My dad served in the Philippines. His division - the 760th Field Artillery - was in battle for 99 straight days against the Japanese. He never said much, but the little he told us of what he had seen - what Japanese soldiers did to people - was horrible.

People who object to the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagosaki should read this article.


6 posted on 03/04/2007 3:18:18 AM PST by sneakers
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To: sneakers

"People who object to the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagosaki should read this article. "

The atrocities of the Japanese were well known in US intelligence circles and there is no doubt that it affected the scale of violence that the US thought appropriate.

In many histories I have read, the mentality by the end of the war was that "we fought Germans, but we kill Japanese."

Before I get set upon by the FR hordes, let me say that I don't think that was unreasonable given the steady ramp-up of brutality throughout the war, and that ramp-up was initiated by the Axis. They sowed the wind and reaped the whirlwind.


7 posted on 03/04/2007 3:25:09 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: estrogen
I must be the most naive person in the world to have thought that Aushwitz was the worst inhumanity committed. What the Nazi's did to their fellow man is unthinkable and now this.......

It was. The Germans slaughtered far more than the Japanese did. Mengele also performed the same kind of experiments carried out by Unit 731. There is no question Unit 731 existed and did carry out some rather brutal experiments. The problem with some of the accounts is that they are one-sidedly Chinese. The Chinese, like the Japanese, are not known for being dispassionately factual in their accounts of the war. (For example, China asserts that it, and not the United States, defeated Japan during WWII). The estimate of 400,000 dead from chemical and biological bombings is yet another airy Chinese estimate that can't easily be verified. What we know about the number of people killed by the Germans is well-documented. The body count amassed by the Japanese in China is a little more dubious - the numbers have been put together by a regime that insists that American forces used chemical weapons during the Korean War. Even if you take their numbers at face value, they don't approach the scale of German war atrocities.

8 posted on 03/04/2007 3:35:37 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: sneakers

Far as I'm concerned they could have dropped a third and fourth one if that's what it took to get to surrender.


9 posted on 03/04/2007 3:39:39 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Duncan Hunter 2008)
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To: ko_kyi
The atrocities of the Japanese were well known in US intelligence circles and there is no doubt that it affected the scale of violence that the US thought appropriate. In many histories I have read, the mentality by the end of the war was that "we fought Germans, but we kill Japanese."

It was fairly well-known, as the war progressed, that Allied POW's were brutally mistreated by the Japanese. Japanese troops were also well-known for fake surrenders, where they would pretend to surrender, and then try to bushwhack the GI's who went to accept the surrender. As far as I'm concerned, the Japanese got less than they deserved (in terms of war casualties). At the same time, there's no comparison between the genocidal policies of the Nazis*, and the classic imperialistic bent of the Japanese.

* Where if being of the wrong ethnicity was fatal to you and your family, in spite of dedicated government or military service.

10 posted on 03/04/2007 3:46:01 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: Larry Lucido

yep, I agree.


11 posted on 03/04/2007 3:47:00 AM PST by sneakers
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To: Larry Lucido; sneakers
A good friend of my dad was castrated in a JAP POW camp. For good reason he hated them until the day he died. He ran an electronics store from the end of the war until the 1980's and refused to work on anything made in Japan.
12 posted on 03/04/2007 4:01:52 AM PST by SLB (Wyoming's Alan Simpson on the Washington press - "all you get is controversy, crap and confusion")
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To: LibWhacker

MacArthur whitewashed most of this in the interests of reconciliation.

Next time you hear bawling about US dropping the A-bomb, remember this.

They were programmed to be fanatics and savages.


13 posted on 03/04/2007 4:06:28 AM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush if given a chance.)
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To: LibWhacker
The following book was published in the late 50's. I happened upon it while still in my teens and was horrified at what I read. Let me assure you that these acts of brutality were pervasive throughout the Japanese military. It's easy to understand why Allied troops responded so vigorously when they met the Japanese soldier face to face.

The Knights of Bushido: A Short History of Japanese War Crimes by Lord Of Liverpool Russell (Author)

It's in publication again. I warn you, however, it makes this story seem mild by comparison.

14 posted on 03/04/2007 4:10:50 AM PST by Texas Jack
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To: estrogen

Japan did terrible things.

China and Korea took the brunt of it.


15 posted on 03/04/2007 4:13:51 AM PST by DB
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To: LibWhacker
This is disgusting.

There were several scientific discoveries because of things such as this: many human tolerances (such as how long humans could survive in what temperatures, etc.) were discovered by the Japanese experimenting on what were often civilian subjects. Such deliberate gathering of information is not worth the life of people.

16 posted on 03/04/2007 4:21:09 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Finalapproach29er
"They were programmed to be fanatics and savages."


That is a big true! Even in nowadays the human life is very cheap in Asian countries.
17 posted on 03/04/2007 4:45:18 AM PST by SeeSalt
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Some of the Japanese mentioned should have been killed.

The Japanese need to have accounts such as those in the article rubbed in their faces, the same way it was done and continues to be done to Germans, to prevent such atrocities cropping up again.

It is also something for every country to note so that their country might not go down that road.

18 posted on 03/04/2007 4:48:23 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: sneakers
"People who object to the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagosaki should read this article."

Anytime someone bring up this drivel, my immediate reponse is, "Too bad we didn't have 10 more A-Bombs so we could have bombed those inhuman murderers and torturers into the stone ages."

If you hadn't lived under Japanese occupation, you wouldn't understand why I say this.

19 posted on 03/04/2007 4:49:09 AM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: estrogen
There have been many holocausts through the course of history.

Man's penchant for cruelty to his fellow man is not something reserved to one ethnicity or era.

20 posted on 03/04/2007 4:50:09 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: ko_kyi; sneakers
Furthermore, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, although cities, were military targets.

Tokyo and Kyoto were both in range of American planes--if the United States was seeking the most deaths, and the largest societal impact, those two cities could have been hit instead of the two which were.

21 posted on 03/04/2007 4:53:32 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Zhang Fei

As the article points out, you also take into account quality, not only quantity. Both were huge war crimes, and a blot on human civilization.


22 posted on 03/04/2007 4:55:24 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: IncPen; BartMan1

ping


23 posted on 03/04/2007 4:57:34 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: LibWhacker
"It was the order of the emperor, and the emperor was a god. I had no choice. If I had disobeyed I would have been killed."

So, it looks as though he did have a choice.
24 posted on 03/04/2007 4:58:27 AM PST by aruanan
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To: DB
So did the Philippines.

Luckily, (as much as it could be considered lucky), the Philippines was under American control and had close ties to the United States. After the war, the Philippines received the second largest reparations from Japan (after China), more than Korea, French Indochina, the Dutch East Indies, Burma, etc.

25 posted on 03/04/2007 4:58:47 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: LibWhacker

Hey, everyone in the world is exactly the same. We all want the same things. Some choose means to those ends that are a little different from others, but how can we judge unless we've torn livers out of living logs and infected them with syphillis and frozen and thawed them until their limbs rotted off? And aren't we destroying the whole planet with our CO2-belching SUVs and factories producing trivialities and doing cosmetic testing on poor bunnies who could otherwise have been out frolicking in a coast to coast forest with wolves and foxes and other loving brothers and sisters of their Earth mother Gaia? We who refuse to ratify the Kyoto Accord are the true enemies of mankind! Leave these poor Japanese alone who were only following the orders of their emporer-god. They were following the dictates of their faith and nobody should criticize anyone else's religion until it is Christianity, the only religion that has brought misery and suffering to the world and caused it to be the dark and unhappy and diseased and polluted and poor and cruel place that it is.


26 posted on 03/04/2007 5:12:06 AM PST by aruanan
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To: SeeSalt

Not all Asian countries are the same. However, in general, your point stands.


27 posted on 03/04/2007 5:14:43 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: LibWhacker

The Japs and Nazi's were unbelievably cruel. It's hard to imagine that they came to power simultaneously.In the book, "Flyboys", there were numerous stories of how the Japs participated in cannibalism, particularly of American POW's. It's no wonder that the Chinese hate the Japs.


28 posted on 03/04/2007 5:16:57 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: All; ItisaReligionofPeace

http://www.answers.com/topic/the-rape-of-nanking


29 posted on 03/04/2007 5:23:19 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (islam is a mutant meme)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace
The Chinese/Japanese animosity goes back far longer than World War 2, though.

It is sort of similar to that continental/island rivalry in western Eurasia (as opposed to eastern Eurasia) with France and Britain (without the Entente Cordiale (spelling?) and the alliances in the two world wars (before Vichy France for WW2).

30 posted on 03/04/2007 5:31:18 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: sneakers

My dad was in Korea and he never really talked about the war, but years after he died, my mom told us that he said that after what he saw there, there can be no God. And he was there for only a few months.


31 posted on 03/04/2007 5:37:36 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

The World Wars were a large impetus for the victory of atheism/agnosticism in Europe--though it had been gaining in momentum since the end of the Enlightenment (which had actually started out decently--it was when they abandoned its values of reasoning and questioning just about everything that it went astray).


32 posted on 03/04/2007 5:44:56 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I'm familiar with the rape of nanking.


33 posted on 03/04/2007 5:52:03 AM PST by ItisaReligionofPeace
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To: Zhang Fei

"At the same time, there's no comparison between the genocidal policies of the Nazis*, and the classic imperialistic bent of the Japanese"

There are a few parallels. The Japanese saw themselves as both the "big brother" to the rest of Asia and as the pinnacle of the human race - and they would brutalize anyone to prove it.

What is amazing is how sanitized this stuff is from the history books. I have heard stories of Japanese tourists going to Singapore and being absolutely shocked that they are treated rudely. They have been taught that the Japanese troops were greeted all across Asia as liberators of the victims of European exploiters.


34 posted on 03/04/2007 6:09:22 AM PST by ko_kyi
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To: ko_kyi

I once read that about 1/3 of American POWs died in Japanese captivity, while only about 3% captured by the Germans did. As shown by this article, the Japs had no regard at all for international agreements like the Geneva Convention. I have to wonder if there isn't some correlation with the fact that Japan has been more resistant to the spread of Christianity than almost any other country outside the Islamic world. Christianity still had some hold over many individual Germans.


35 posted on 03/04/2007 6:27:24 AM PST by hellbender
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To: LibWhacker
Read The Rape of Nanjing by Iris Chang. The hero of the factual account is a German Nazi who is himself appalled by the actions of the Japanese.

They're digging a home in hell for some of these people because there is no place low enough there for them yet.

36 posted on 03/04/2007 6:30:47 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: hellbender

The numbers that you cite are correct, not just for Americans but for the British and Australians as well. Interestingly enough, apparently the Dutch colonial POWs of the Japanese suffered only? a 20% mortality, attributed to their better knowledge and practice of tropical medicine. My generation,I was a child during WW II, still thinks of them as JAPS, now a pejoritive term


37 posted on 03/04/2007 6:48:21 AM PST by Upbeat
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To: ko_kyi
In many histories I have read, the mentality by the end of the war was that "we fought Germans, but we kill Japanese."

There were atrocities by Americans against Japanese as well. Charles Lindbergh traveled extensively in the South Pacific during the war, and recorded atrocities in his "Wartime Journals". He recorded instances of body part collecting. Gold teeth collecting, and other barbarities against the dead. He also recorded the fact that there were virtually zero Japanese prisoners. The story has been perpetuated since the war that the Japanese "fought to the death", prefering to die in battle rather than be captured. Lindbergh says that American soldiers did not allow surrender. We killed them all. Lindbergh told of an order from a commander to give day passes to soldiers who brought in live Japanese prisoners, because they needed prisoners for intellegence gathering. They were suddenly swamped with prisoners. But as soon as they stopped giving out day passes for live prisoners, there were no more prisoners.

Granted, this is not as barbaric as what the Japanese did. It was a brutal war, and Americans returned at least some of the barbarity shown us. Except for Lindbergh, this story is virtually unknown.

38 posted on 03/04/2007 6:52:41 AM PST by narby
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
if the United States was seeking the most deaths, and the largest societal impact, those two cities could have been hit instead of the two which were.

Tokyo and other cities were not chosen for nuclear raids because they had already been nearly wiped out by earlier B-29 firebomb raids that killed many more people than the nukes did. We wanted to assess what damage a nuke would do, so we used them against cities that had virtually no previous damage.

39 posted on 03/04/2007 6:58:53 AM PST by narby
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To: hellbender
I once read that about 1/3 of American POWs died in Japanese captivity, while only about 3% captured by the Germans did.

FYI, a greater percentage of Americans in Chinese captivity died during the Korean War than did GI's captured by the Japanese during WWII. A sobering statistic.

40 posted on 03/04/2007 7:12:27 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: LibWhacker
"It was the order of the emperor, and the emperor was a god. I had no choice. If I had disobeyed I would have been killed."

Why would you want to live???

No, I did not finish reading this article.

Humanity recoils in disgust and horror at this--perhaps even more those of us who are physicians. It challenges our powers of forgiveness, even as we understand that forgiveness benefits the forgiver more than the forgiven and that the greatest challenge is to forgive the unrepentant.

One can only grasp for grace and bring to mind the truth that goodness is as fundamental to humanity as is evil, heroism as fundamental as savagery, Todd Beamer and Mother Theresa as exemplary as is this wretched Akira Makino creature who somehow managed to go on living to a ripe old age, evidently untortured by the evil that he had committed and that had overwhelmed him.

Mother Theresa said that she decided to go to Calcutta when she looked inside herself and found a Hitler lurking there.

The supreme beauty of Todd Beamer is that he was an unremarkable, average man, who, if the challenge had not presented itself to him, would have remained unknown to most of us.

We cannot redeem ourselves by our own resources. Our redemption can come only through God's grace.

Those who do not recognize the potential for evil lurking within all of us are the most in danger of succumbing to it.

Only by facing the truth about the dark side and the light side of human nature and consciously determing to flee to the light side can we avoid descent into the depravity into which this wretched man descended, and we can cling to the light side only through the strength, wisdom, and grace that comes from surrender to Him, His love, and His truth.

41 posted on 03/04/2007 7:13:33 AM PST by Savage Beast (MESSAGE TO BUSH: Free U.S. Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean NOW!!!)
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To: narby
There were atrocities by Americans against Japanese as well.

The Chinese took very few Japanese prisoners. The Japanese soldier knew that to be taken alive by the Chinese was a fate worse than death.

42 posted on 03/04/2007 7:15:02 AM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: narby
Lindbergh attracted more public attention when he accepted a German medal of honour from Goering. After returning to the US in 1939, Lindbergh campaigned against US involvement in the European war, and was accused of being a Nazi sympathiser.

43 posted on 03/04/2007 7:27:54 AM PST by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: narby

Americans were not as brutal as the Japanese were. Japanese are still wanting apologies from Americans for bombings. Where is the apology from Japan for what they did to the Chinese,Korean,Americans & Aussie soldiers? They were very evil just like the Nazis'.


44 posted on 03/04/2007 7:34:50 AM PST by Strutt9
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To: LibWhacker
The key takeaway from this is the reference to the Emperor.

"It was the order of the emperor, and the emperor was a god. I had no choice. If I had disobeyed I would have been killed."

This is what is forgotten in history, especially the decision to A-bomb Imperial Japan, and the decisions to intern Japanese ethnic populations in the USA.

Each person of Japanese heritage was considered a subject of the Emperor and thus a combatant.

Longtime Japanese residents of Hawaii who were known by locals before Pearl Harbor to be law abiding and peaceful were suddenly found to be traitors after they 'received orders' from Imperial Japan. The Japanese in the USA before and during WWII were analogous to what are considered 'sleeper cells' of today.

The arguments today made about the atrocious A-bombing of Japan or the unjust internment of Japanese-Americans conveniently ignore the history that is so abundant about the true nature of Imperial Japan.

The argument that the unjust internment of Japanese-Americans was recognized by the American government and reparations were issued is specious and mistold. It was not the internment that was at issue, rather it was the wrongful confiscation and auction of private and real property that was addressed.
45 posted on 03/04/2007 10:31:48 AM PST by Hostage
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To: Wolverine
when he accepted a German medal of honour from Goering

FDR was deathly afraid that Lindbergh would run for president on the Republican ticket, so he destroyed his reputation first. The "politics of personal destruction" has a long history in the Democratic party.

Lindbergh's father, who had been a Senator during WWII, and a big isolationist, was where Charles got his isolationist ideas. He was 100% All American, he just didn't want to get involved in another big war.

The bottom line was immediatly at Pearl Harbor, Lindbergh did all he could do help the US at war. He had poisoned any possibility of getting back into the Air Force because of his attacks on FDR, so he worked at helping the US build airplanes, and later he personally risked his life flying P-38 fighters and doing field test flying of Corsair fighters in the South Pacific. At one time he was nearly shot down by a Jap Zero.

Insinuations that somehow he was somehow un-american, or a NAZI are BS.

46 posted on 03/04/2007 11:30:05 AM PST by narby
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To: Strutt9
Americans were not as brutal as the Japanese were.

Never said we were. We're just not angels either. And the stories retold constantly that the Japs refused to surrender are merely cover for the fact that we wouldn't allow them to surrender.

Hey, it was a brutal war. We were nicer than the Japs were, but that doesn't mean we were perfect.

47 posted on 03/04/2007 11:32:48 AM PST by narby
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[Lindbergh's father, who had been a Senator during WWII,]

Make that WWI.

48 posted on 03/04/2007 11:34:40 AM PST by narby
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To: narby

"It was a brutal war, and Americans returned at least some of the barbarity shown us. Except for Lindbergh, this story is virtually unknown."

You might enjoy "With the old Breed" by EB Sledge.


49 posted on 03/04/2007 5:57:51 PM PST by ko_kyi
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To: LibWhacker

Horrible.


50 posted on 03/04/2007 6:00:11 PM PST by Dante3
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