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Protesters support dad in fight against DHS [Michigan]
the Arab American News ^ | recently (not specified) | Khalil AlHajal

Posted on 03/11/2007 12:14:11 AM PST by ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup

Protesters support dad in fight against DHS

By: Khalil AlHajal / The Arab American News

Taylor — Protesters picketed outside of the Western Wayne County Children and Family Services office on Friday, in an effort to bring attention to a federal lawsuit filed by a Jordanian American man in January.

Plaintiff Abraham Ben-Abbad filed the suit against the Michigan Department of Human Services claiming that officials have denied him court-ordered visitation rights with his daughter.

He also alleges that the Department has allowed his ex-wife to involve a local church in official decision-making processes, preventing the 13 year old girl from seeing her father and being exposed to her Muslim heritage.

Parents for Children, a group that advocates throughout the state for parents who have been stripped of custody of their children, organized the demonstration.

"We just want to get our message out… to let them know that we're not going away," said Parents for Children founder Dan Wilson.

The group claims to have influenced cases in the past by demonstrating in front of courthouses and offices in several Michigan counties.

Wilson said that Friday's protest was particularly dramatic because it involves "Muslims and Christians marching together for a cause."

Attorney Janet Frederick-Wilson, also of Parents for Children, said that the actions of government agents involved in the case were probably more motivated by money than by religious issues. The group claims that grants awarded to agencies and performance bonuses awarded to Children's Protection agents cause them to "twist facts and blow situations out of proportion."

"They target minorities because they often have the least resources to fight them with… and they take advantage of cases with divorce issues and domestic discord."

Ben-Abbad's ex-wife has accused him of abuse.

Islam Kayed, the child's stepmother, who picketed in freezing temperatures along with about 25 others from local mosques and Parents for Children, said that they would "do whatever it takes to get the point across."

"Her father loves her so much and we just want her to come home," she said about the girl.

Department of Human Services representatives haven't commented on the protest as of press time. In the past when asked about the lawsuit, a spokesperson has said that though she could not comment on the specifics of the litigation, "any issues of religious preference are taken seriously by the Department and by our Children's Services staff," and that agencies are required to take into account the religions of both parents of a child.

Ben-Abbad and others have also distributed flyers "warning" local Muslims about the involved church, the Dearborn Assembly of God, accusing its lead pastor, Trey Hancock, of engaging in manipulative, overzealous, youth-targeted missionary tactics.

Some at the demonstration gave detailed accounts of the Hancock family and church members "drawing in people in weak positions," and being "sneaky" about their intentions of converting Muslims.

Hancock has declined to comment on any of the allegations.

An acquaintance of Hancock who asked to be referred to only as Abu Wadea, defended the church and the Hancock family, saying that though the church conducts outreach programs and was established for the purpose of missionary work, the congregation is not disrespectful toward Islam and involves many Muslims in programs such as English classes without asking anything in return.

He also said that Hancock is not deceitful in his goals, that "he is a pastor and everybody knows it," and that he is upfront about wanting to spread his message.

Abu Wadea, a member of the Arabic Evangelical Alliance Church in Madison Heights, said that he takes offense to some having labeled the Dearborn Assembly of God as anti-Muslim.

"I'm not going to defend whatever the church did in this case but to blanket the whole church or the whole community is a whole different thing."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christianity; dearborn; discrimination; islam; islamists; jihad; mohammedans; rop
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Muslim man (allegedly) beats wife, young children; threatens to kill wife; she seeks help from DHS, ends up converting to Christianity and getting help from local church; then this obviously deeply religious Muslim (by the bye, it's ok Quranically to abuse your wife and kids) is offended that our laws would seek to protect his chattel; so the Mass Media spin is that Pastor Hancock is conspiring to keep the abusers children from growing up Muslim. Their insanity and coddling of Islam continues...
1 posted on 03/11/2007 12:14:15 AM PST by ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup
By: Khalil AlHajal
2 posted on 03/11/2007 12:20:44 AM PST by EBH (May God Save Our Country)
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup

Yeah, because Christians never beat their wives or children... ;)


3 posted on 03/11/2007 12:21:01 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup

Reading this reminded me of a case where the Muslim father stabbed his daughter to death (honor killing) while the Mother held her down... all because the daughter had started dating. The whole thing was caught on tape because the FBI had tapped the phoneline when they suspected the father of illegal activities. But for that tape, the parents would have gotten away with murder.


4 posted on 03/11/2007 12:34:59 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: Darkwolf377

the problem is, you missed the point...
mass media spins it as religion versus dealing with the facts on the ground. (like they justified serbs killing bosnians and albanians)
I know the people involved and the insanity of suits like this waste time, money, and distort what is happening.
yes, there is an element of religion, but it is on the pc-side of things instead of acknowledging reality.


5 posted on 03/11/2007 12:51:55 AM PST by ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup (it wasn't cold... 'specially not below the line of death ;-))
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To: EBH

yup, it's downtown Dearborn, Michigan where the town council passed legal standing for the imams to publically broadcast prayer calls, and the local Fordson high school principal Fuddy Duddy forces a student to convert back to Islam. Downtown America folks, coming to your community by virtue of PC and lack of rational thought.

The paper is run by Osama Siblani who loves to pose as an intellectual, he's interviewed by mass media as an authority on Middle Eastern affairs - should read his shtuff; his ex-wife Kay could tell you all about his 'balanced' views...


6 posted on 03/11/2007 1:01:36 AM PST by ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup (it wasn't cold... 'specially not below the line of death ;-))
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To: Darkwolf377

We got to Post #3 before the moral relativists jumped in.


7 posted on 03/11/2007 1:18:42 AM PST by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup

Where does it say he beat her and the kids?


8 posted on 03/11/2007 1:22:23 AM PST by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup
Attorney Janet Frederick-Wilson, also of Parents for Children, said that the actions of government agents involved in the case were probably more motivated by money than by religious issues. The group claims that grants awarded to agencies and performance bonuses awarded to Children's Protection agents cause them to "twist facts and blow situations out of proportion."

"They target minorities because they often have the least resources to fight them with… and they take advantage of cases with divorce issues and domestic discord."

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I do not condone the violence many Arab men heap on their property..err..wives but the article has some real troublesome words for anyone who believes in a strong family.

Under most states the do gooding legislators have turned the schools, doctors, nurses, teachers aides, police, fire and any one else who comes in contact with children into mandated reporters.

To have a child taken away does not necessarily constant overly harsh physical abuse.

They only have to be at what the state calls at risk.

All it takes is say a teachers aide notices a child crying and seeing anything resembling a mark or red spot on the child and a report is filed with Child Protective Services.

CPS can then question the children and if they want to be mean or frivolous can call the police to come and forcibly take the children out of the home and the parents can do nothing but watch as they go out the door.

I despise Kalifornias laws as it has taken any logical reasoning out of dealing with children and parents.

Most parents when the CPS comes do not know their rights under the current law.


Good parents unknowingly let the CPS worker come into the home and why not.

They think that their job as a parent has been a good one.

The child is questioned while playing on the floor with crayons or some other toy and is asked all kinds of leading questions as to how they are punished and the family relationship.

Any thing more than a pat on the butt or a timeout and the children are gone and it's court time for everyone.

My neighbors who are both respected professionals went through this mess and nearly lost their children because they were both spanked on the butt with a ruler.

The two kids ages 7 and 8 got into a hitting fight one morning before school.

The teachers aide saw that the youngest child was crying and had a red spot on his face where the older sister had hit him.

The teachers aide then asked the child why he was crying.

The child did not answer and the aide then said did your father hit you in the face with his fist.

The child still upset would not answer but was clinching his fist.

The aide then called Child Protective Service and filed a report claiming the father had hit the child with his fist.

The CPS came to the house and while investigating the report determined that in the past year the father and mother had spanked the children twice using a 12 inch ruler.

The CPS worker walked out side for a few minutes and then came back into the house and accused the parents of abusing their children because under Kalifornia laws you can only spank the child on the butt using the hand.

Within a few minutes a patrol car pulled into the drive way and 10 minutes later the children were gone.

It took my neighbors nearly two weeks to get the children returned and several thousand dollars in four court appearances.

The younger child is now seeing a Psychiatrist and taking medicine for the trauma received by being forced away from his parents.

The behavior of both children in school has deteriorated since being taken from the home.

The parents saw an attorney to file a civil lawsuit but are still undecided as the law is on the side of who ever makes the report and the CPS.

I do not trust the CPS as they strong arm a lot of parent trying to rack up a quota of children taken out of the home.

There paycheck depends on splitting up families.

Just my lowly Red State Wannabe Opinion.
9 posted on 03/11/2007 1:28:31 AM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, DUNCAN 08, ELECTION 2008, MOST IMPORTANT OF MY LIFE TIME)
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To: Beckwith

What did I say that was "moral relativist"-ic?


10 posted on 03/11/2007 1:31:52 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377

You had a point to make? I missed it..


11 posted on 03/11/2007 1:36:10 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: expatguy

Your loss.


12 posted on 03/11/2007 1:37:39 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377

["Christians never beat their wives or children..."]

You won't find much support in the Christian community for wife-beating. It happens, but it's not given sanction by any Christian Church that I know of. Now tell me the same is true of mosques, and islam.


13 posted on 03/11/2007 3:11:55 AM PDT by jim35 ("...when the lion and the lamb lie down together, ...we'd better damn sure be the lion")
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To: NucSubs
Ben-Abbad's ex-wife has accused him of abuse.

It's in the article.

14 posted on 03/11/2007 3:22:03 AM PDT by barker ( A smile is a curved line that sets things straight.)
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To: ColdWarNavyVet_dirsup

Slavery is just around the corner in michigan - it's encouraged in the koran. The feds find more cases of involuntary servitude every year.


15 posted on 03/11/2007 3:23:17 AM PDT by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: OKIEDOC

its happened

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


16 posted on 03/11/2007 3:23:43 AM PDT by sure_fine ( • not one to over kill the thought process™ •)
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To: Darkwolf377

There are ten thousand muslims who believe it is their religious right to physically correct their wives behavior to every one Christian who believes that. Maybe there are no Christians who believe it.

There are Christians who are alcoholics also, but very few espouse alcoholism as their religion and go out and convert others from the pulpit.

But there are muslims who go out and espouse from their pulpit that beating women is ok.


17 posted on 03/11/2007 3:33:26 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: Darkwolf377

Your kidding, right?


18 posted on 03/11/2007 3:57:23 AM PDT by Beckwith (The dhimmicrats and liberal media have chosen sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Beckwith
No--obviously you can't even show where this "moral equivalence" is, or you'd have done so by now.

The only moral equivalence one can get from my comment is that beating a wife and kids is wrong no matter the person's religion. I'm dying to see you claim that's "moral equivalence".

19 posted on 03/11/2007 4:14:16 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
Maybe there are no Christians who believe it.

Maybe not.

You really think NO Christians beat their wives, in this mostly-Christian country? That for some bizarre statistical reason, most wife-beaters aren't Christian?

Please.

20 posted on 03/11/2007 4:16:28 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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