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To: NucSubs
I think the anti-ID crowd would do itself a favor (and I am generally on it's side) if it realized that not all Christians who believe in ID reject evolution, geology, plate tectonics, archeology, astronomy, physics, and all the other sciences involved in proving that the earth is NOT 15,000 years old.

In other words, there are people of Christian faith who believe in God but also accept the reality of science.

So try not to alienate those of faith who are on your side. :-)

The problem is the people who believe ID as a scientific concept, and not a philosophical one. As a science, ID is noncorporeal.

44 posted on 03/13/2007 1:57:49 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30

I must concur.

Nevertheless, remember you have allies in many people of faith. The official positions of the bulk of Christendom believe in God AND an old earth.


48 posted on 03/13/2007 2:13:15 PM PDT by NucSubs (That's so gay.)
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To: doc30
As a science, ID is noncorporeal.

There’s a brain-stretcher. ID is noncoporeal. In other words, this idea doesn’t have a physical body.

Whod’a thunk?

51 posted on 03/13/2007 2:26:13 PM PDT by Scourge of God (Remember, liberals, 'baaa' means NO!)
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To: doc30
As a science, ID is noncorporeal.

There’s a brain-stretcher. ID is noncoporeal. In other words, this idea doesn’t have a physical body.

Whod’a thunk?

52 posted on 03/13/2007 2:26:25 PM PDT by Scourge of God (Remember, liberals, 'baaa' means NO!)
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To: doc30; NucSubs
 
In other words, there are people of Christian faith who believe in God but also accept the reality of science.
 
This guy did......
 
...for a while.
 


Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"By further reflecting that the clearest evidence would be requisite to make any sane man believe in the miracles by which Christianity is supported,—and that the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become,—that the men at that time were ignorant and credulous to a degree almost incomprehensible by us,—that the Gospels cannot be proven to have been written simultaneously with the events,—that they differ in many important details, far too important, as it seemed to me to be admitted as the usual inaccuracies of eye witnesses;—by such reflections as these, which I give not as having the least novelty or value, but as they influenced me, I gradually came to disbelieve in Christianity as a divine revelation. The fact that many fake religions have spread over large portions of the earth like wildfire had some weight with me. But I was very unwilling to give up my belief; I feel sure of this, for I can remember often and often inventing day-dreams of old letters between distinguished Romans, and manuscripts being discovered at Pompeii or elsewhere, which confirmed in the most striking manner all that was written in the Gospels. But I found it more and more difficult, with free scope given to my imagination, to invent evidence which would suffice to convince me. Thus disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."

( Charles Darwin in his Autobiography of Charles Darwin, Dover Publications, 1992, p. 62. )


Charles Darwin (1809-1882)

"I think that generally (& more & more as I grow older), but not always, that an agnostic would be the most correct description of my state of mind."

( Quoted from Adrian Desmond and James Moore, Darwin: The Life of a Tormented Evolutionist, New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 1991, p. 636. )


 
 
 
 
 

NIV 1 Timothy 1:20-21
 20.  Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care. Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge,
 21.  which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith.   Grace be with you.

 
NIV Proverbs 4:13
   Hold on to instruction, do not let it go; guard it well, for it is your life.
 

NIV Hebrews 3:6
   But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.
 

NIV Hebrews 3:14
   We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.
 

NIV Hebrews 6:11
   We want each of you to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to make your hope sure.
 
 
NIV Hebrews 12:3
   Consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.
 
 
NIV 2 Timothy 2:11-13
 11.  Here is a trustworthy saying: If we died with him, we will also live with him;
 12.  if we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;
 13.  if we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
 

NIV 2 Peter 2:20-21
 20.  If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.
 21.  It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
 
 
 
NIV 2 John 1:8
  Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully.
 

NIV Jude 1:21
   Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
 

NIV Revelation 2:25
   Only hold on to what you have until I come.
 

NIV Revelation 3:11
   I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.


134 posted on 03/14/2007 10:40:20 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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