Giuliani Pitches Himself as a Can-Do Candidate (Dennis Miller calls Pelosi and Obey Morons!)

NY Sun ^ | 3/15/07 | Jill Gardiner

[madprof98]

. . . explain their refusal votes in terms of saving the Republican Party . . .

Wrong. I didn't say anything about saving the Republican Party. I'm not even a registered Republican. I was talking about winning the culture war. If Rudy gets the presidency, the culture war in this country is over, and the good guys lost. Whether something called the USA lasts a few more years doesn't really matter.

[wouldntbprudent]

Excuse me, you said this:

>>>Am I willing to trade that for the sure-and-certain destruction of the political party I support, the party Reagan forged out of the ruins of Ford-Rockefeller GOP? Am I willing to say that I just give up on the very idea of a pro-life, pro-family political party?

And you now dispute that your statement can rightly be characterized as speaking "in terms of saving the Republican Party"?

Which "political party [that you] support" are you concerned about saving from "sure and certain destruction"?

I've tried to have a meaningful debate with you. Your reply is just dumb.

So is this:

>>>If Rudy gets the presidency, the culture war in this country is over, and the good guys lost.

I'm sorry, it's not Apocalypse Now.

Instead of hyperventilated over-dramatizations of the demise of civilization as we know it, why don't you try actually responding to my straightforward comments and questions.

I said:

Do you not agree that the ideas of conservatism and morality are eternal?

Do you not think they are powerful enough to survive and emerge in some other setting *if* it came to the point that the Stupid Party fell of its own weight?

Why the concern about preserving the party? Who cares! It will be what it will be.

Nothing can stop you and I from doing what we always have done and will continue to do to preserve *ideas.*

Is your faith in your ideas, and whatever you see as the source thereof, so finite that you actually believe that if a certain man gets elected to a human office in this country, "the culture war is over and the good guys lost."

No wonder the culture wars aren't going too well, if the warriors are depending on mere men and the whims of mere men in getting men elected.

I hate to break it to you, friend, but the culture wars will continue until the Lord comes back. And until then the culture will be in a continual state of moral devolution.

Yes, we fight the good fight. It's our responsibility to stem the tide so far as possible, with the Lord's help.

But, my goodness, don't flatter yourself and the human race by attributing the power to win or lose the "culture wars" to the mere and pitiful human being who happens to be elected President of the United States.