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California moves primary to February
MSNBC ^ | 15 March 2007 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/15/2007 12:21:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator

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To: napscoordinator

What is to stop smaller states from moving their primaries say a week ahead themselves?


21 posted on 03/15/2007 12:57:32 PM PDT by jmc813 (The 2nd Amendment is NOT a "social conservative" issue.)
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To: flashbunny

Why do you assume Republicans in CA are more liberal and would therefore embrace Rudy automatically over a more conservative choice?


22 posted on 03/15/2007 1:01:57 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Avg price, REGULAR gas, $3.19/gallon in San Diego.)
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To: newzjunkey
Vetting? Who are Iowans and NH residents to do the "vetting" when 20% of the nation lives in CA?

Their vote is no more or less meaningful coming early. California gets to watch the performance of the candidates and vet them.

What having the big states come first will ensure, is that no lesser known candidates will have a chance. In the traditional system, Californians would watch the pack as they performed in a small audience and then decide who to back as the primaries continued. What California has ensured now is that they will simply never hear of or from those candidates, as they won't have the initial bankroll to play in that game.

If I'm a Californian, I'm thinking the new system sucks, and has just severely limited my choices.

An example would be Hunter. Let's say that he is the best candidate for most Republicans after they have seen the herd perform. Well forget him now, he doesn't have the name recognition or money to win on day one, so he's toast.

This not only sucks for California, it sucks for the whole country.

23 posted on 03/15/2007 1:04:27 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: newzjunkey

"Why do you assume Republicans in CA are more liberal and would therefore embrace Rudy automatically over a more conservative choice?"

Gee, I have no idea why anyone would think that. Maybe I should ask (R)nold for some help on that!


24 posted on 03/15/2007 1:08:32 PM PDT by flashbunny (<--- Free Anti-Rino graphics! See Rudy the Rino get exposed as a liberal with his own words!)
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To: PhilCollins; Dog Gone
Right now Duncan Hunter would not win Orange County. (Which is still conservative.)

So far as I can tell, he has never come on the John and Ken Show on KFI, despite him being for the border fence and stopping the illegal invasion from Mexico. If he can't be bothered to come on that show, how can he be serious about winning California.
25 posted on 03/15/2007 1:12:07 PM PDT by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: voltaires_zit

....why would you say that?.....Calif has tons of conservatives.....can't help it if there are even MORE liberals....Calif conservatives are every bit as conservative as any other state.....we just get all the bad press, way more then any other state....so the Dems are kind of in your face here....


26 posted on 03/15/2007 1:14:46 PM PDT by NorCalRepub
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To: SampleMan
In the last few elections cycles, we may have had many people on our ballots, but we had no choice. The eventual winner had already been decided before our June primary.

It is good for California. (Even if not good for the nation.)
27 posted on 03/15/2007 1:22:36 PM PDT by NathanR (Après moi, le deluge.)
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To: SampleMan

An example would be Hunter. Let's say that he is the best candidate for most Republicans after they have seen the herd perform. Well forget him now, he doesn't have the name recognition or money to win on day one, so he's toast.



I like Hunter, but I find him a bit lazy. If I was running for President, I would be going all over the country and making news. I would be talking at every event I could get my hands on. Perhaps it might be expensive, but if that was a problem for me, I would get in the car and start driving. Yes, he does have a job that he works what 20 weeks out of the year at most. He could go on a talking tour and this would also allow him to shed a couple pounds and let him be ready for the primaries. The guy has a little less than a year to get his act together, but I just don't know if he is a go getter. He has been running for President for short of 1/2 a year already and has little to no traction except for here. He should fire his campaign manager first and then get to work! yes it is hard, but everything is if you really want it.


28 posted on 03/15/2007 1:25:00 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: napscoordinator
It means less likelihood that Newt or Fred Thompson will get into the race. It takes big bucks to run a campaign in California, and that primary is now less than a year away. With Rudy beating Hildebeast by 8 points, the money is coalescing around him.

Conservatives will be forced to choose between second-tier, underfunded candidates such as Hunter or Brownback. In some ways it hurts Rudy since the possibility now exists that he will not really be tested in the primary.

Personally, I think Rudy would fare better in the general election if he successfully fended off a serious, well-funded attack from the right. But this is not the conventional wisdom. The boys in the smoke-filled country clubs want a quick coronation, and it is looking more and more like they will get it.

29 posted on 03/15/2007 1:26:46 PM PDT by massadvj
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To: napscoordinator

This will benefit Mrs. Clinton and other frontrunners with money.


30 posted on 03/15/2007 1:29:14 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Dog Gone

I don't think it would be a miracle. Usually, presidential candidates win their homestates, in the primaries.


31 posted on 03/15/2007 1:35:51 PM PDT by PhilCollins
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To: napscoordinator
I would get in the car and start driving.

This isn't a city council race. He'd see zip number of people and get zip news coverage.

Where he has a chance is in a small state primary, where driving around might actually work. Then he gets in the debate, and then if he does well, he gets the money coming in.

All have a national primary (essentially the result of having the large states go first) does is ensure that these candidates are weeded out completely before the primary even starts.

32 posted on 03/15/2007 1:45:13 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: napscoordinator

This is the "anti-retail politics" move.

What this really does is simply frontrunner protection. Candidates with less money which might come from behind via a grassroots swell are now shut out.

It is also designed to intimidate the people who could run against Rudy because they have little or no time to raise money. (see Newt, see Thompson)


33 posted on 03/15/2007 1:46:50 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: NathanR
In the last few elections cycles, we may have had many people on our ballots, but we had no choice. The eventual winner had already been decided before our June primary.

So move it up to May. But were 51% of the electoral votes really already accounted for?

It is good for California. (Even if not good for the nation.)

Fascinating. Tell me again which country California is in?

34 posted on 03/15/2007 1:47:41 PM PDT by SampleMan (Islamic tolerance is practiced by killing you last.)
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To: PhilCollins
I don't think it would be a miracle. Usually, presidential candidates win their homestates, in the primaries.

Really? Did Dennis Kucinich win the Ohio primary?

Are you a betting man? How much are you willing to wager that Ron Paul will win the Texas primary? Or Duncan the California primary?

35 posted on 03/15/2007 1:49:28 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: NorCalRepub

> ....why would you say that?.....Calif has tons of conservatives.....

India has the second largest Muslim population in the world, after Indonesia. It is not a terribly Muslim place.

California may have many conservatives, but it has, as you say, even more non-conservatives. Anyplace where the general population has a voice (anywhere outside of party caucus type events) conservatives are drowned out in California.


36 posted on 03/15/2007 1:52:04 PM PDT by voltaires_zit (Government is the problem, not the answer.)
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To: napscoordinator

"I like Hunter, but I find him a bit lazy."


The fact he's still a House member and is traveling all over to do his Congressional duty must have escaped your argument.


37 posted on 03/15/2007 1:57:55 PM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: SampleMan

that is a real shame than. I don't think we will ever get a small conservative candidate again or ever. I knew when I wrote that it was a bit unrealistic, but I think that for President everyone should have a fair chance if they work hard for it.


38 posted on 03/15/2007 2:11:22 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: wolfcreek

He still has a huge amount of time off. More than you and I probably. We really can't use over worked as an excuse.


39 posted on 03/15/2007 2:13:13 PM PDT by napscoordinator (.)
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To: PhilCollins
Rep. Duncan Hunter, of Calif., will receive at least as many votes as Rudy, in Hunter's homestate.

In what parallel universe?

40 posted on 03/15/2007 2:13:50 PM PDT by M. Thatcher
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