Hummer vs. Prius ("Save the Environment!")

email | 3/20/07

[CGTRWK]

Reflexive opposition syndrome. Urban liberals hate SUVs, we hate urban liberals, and thus the bigger and more wasteful your vehicle the better. It's embarassing to watch.

[No.6]

Pious, not Pius. oops.

[voltaires_zit]

> Whatever you want to think of the Prius, or Pius, this is bogus.

Indeed. Garbage in, garbage out. The idea that the lumbering tanklike monstrosity from GM is sooo well built that it will live 3X as long as the Toyota is laughable...

... but not quite as laughable as all the people who would believe it.

[Vaquero]

my ride:

this is big enough for my useage but an original american general Humvee with a Ma Deuce on the nose would be nice too...

[stylin19a]

hey... thanks for doing the leg work...

[bygolly]

Hummer's H2 drink gas and helps fund terrorism by putting billions in the pockets of Iran, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela etc. Our #1 trade defict item is oil purchases from abroad.

Buy a Hummer and help fund the Terrorists !!

Let's replace all those armor-plated Hummers used in Iraq and elsewhere with armor-plated Priuses. We can show the terrorists how environmentally sensitive we are and reduce our trade deficit at the same time!

[oxlongm]

Shockingly bad logic in almost every sentence.

The Prius figure of 100,000 miles is actually the warranty for the battery only, not the entire car. The Hummer has the same length warranty. And does anyone really believe that an entire Toyota will fall apart at 100K, or that any GM vehicle in an average owner's hands will last 300K?

One moderately-popular car whose battery uses nickel from a certain area is automatically responsible for all pollution in that area?

It's good that the EPA has a more realistic mileage figure for hybrids now, but 45mpg is still very high for a car the Prius' size (it's not particularly small as Toyotas go -- I've never sat in one, but I understand it's bigger than a Corolla). The ridiculous comparison to cars half the Prius' price fails to take into account that those cars tend to be much smaller. Of course the mileage is better on tiny cheap cars. That's not an impressive achievement, it's just a smaller car.

Each Prius battery travels to China, Europe, the U.S., and Japan? Maybe Toyota became the top carmaker by using ridiculous and expensive supply chains like this, but I doubt it, and the piece provides no information to back it up.

I do think hybrids are a little overrated, at this technological stage at least. Probably better to concentrate on diesels in the short run. But in convincing people to think more about the topic, nonsensical pieces like this one don't help.

[LM_Guy]

I would never advocate that for our troops.

[Montane]

The OP refers to Sudbury, Ontario and the Inco superstack in a misleading manner - the OP lost me at that point. NASA used Sudbury during the Apollo program for Astronauts to become familiar with shatter cones. It is not still used by NASA. Since the superstack was built in 1972 and 90% of the sulfur was removed from the gases before they enter the superstack in the 1990s, the environment is much improved. Having traveled to Sudbury in 1998 for a wedding I can say that Sudbury certainly no longer looks like a waste land (to the extent it ever did).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Sudbury