Posted on 03/20/2007 8:21:54 AM PDT by areafiftyone
So what? Hitler earned the respect of many for rebuilding Germany after hard times. Did that make him someone worthy of voting for?
Voting for someone that is rock solid and a liberal is a dumb idea if one is conservative.
If that's the case, then you can blame them for President Hillary. LOL
At any rate, I don't determine who I am going to support in the primaries based on who I think the libertarians, democrats and independents want. Do conservatives REALLY want to be making their candidate choices that way? If so, we might as well become libertarians, democrats or independents.
And, it would assure a liberal in office for eight years, too. Really dumb idea.
With Fred's voting record on immigration, HIB Visa's etc., I don't see he would be an asset to Rudy.
So? Who wants to wait EIGHT YEARS to get a conservative in the White House?
Electing RINOs to office has failed every time it has been tried -- from Christie Todd Whitman to Michael Bloomberg to Arnold Schwartzenkennedy.
Eight years of a liberal Republican is worse than four years of Hillary Clinton.
And, you know this how? Certainly not be his record: "The National Journal�s rating system put him at 56 percent conservative and 44 percent liberal on economic issues in 1996
Add to that, the fact that he has openly supported the fairy tale of man-made global warming and applauded Arnold Schwartenzegger's "progressive" environmental policies in California.
And, it's amazing how people like you are so eager to throw social conservative issues under a bus while not looking at the fact that these social liberal Republicans almost always betray all conservatives by the time they are done in office.
Nothing is dumber than putting a RINO office FOR EIGHT YEARS. California is paying the prices for such stupidity with Arnold Schwartzenkennedy. Or are you happy with the job that RINO is doing?
Given Rudy's pro-illegal stance, there isn't a candidate in the world that can make him look good. Or, the many other issues that he is liberal on.
If Giuliani actually gets the nomination and his record is exposed for all to see, the only thing the Republican party will be able to do is run against Hillary. The base is certainly not going to be excited about voting for a liberal Republican if many vote at all. Several southern states will suddenly become in play because of how much Rudy's radical liberal positions on abortion, the homosexual agenda and gun rights. It's going to be very hard to win an election merely scaring voters into voting against one's opponent.
Yeah, Rudy's track record is far more liberal going into the primary that Arnold's stated positions when he was running for governor.
Fred is the horse who is coming from the rear and may win the race.Don't forget this is still the conservative party and many conservatives do not trust Rudy. Rudy has to get through this primary.It is not over yet. OH, yes Fred is a threat, you better believe that, been in this game a long time and the dark horse always turns out to be the best in the race.
IF Fred can unite all the anti-Rudy forces he would have a shot. BUT unless McCain drops out there would not be much of a chance for him. As I have said elsewhere he will take away support far more from the others than from Rudy.
And if that is the case he still would not be able to beat him in a general poll though it is possible he could beat him in some primaries. And that could only happen if he IMMEDIATELY declares and starts getting staff together in the major states.
The switching of the California, NY and Illinois primaries makes this even tougher for him.
Now I like Fred and am trying to analyze this dispassionately and as objectively as possible.
"...the dark horse always turns out to be the best in the race." This is sheer nonsense since there are several darkhorses in every race and it is rare that ANY of them win.
That is exactly what I am saying. Olson because he is Rudy's buddy or because Rudy has offered him some position in his adminstration is selling conservatives for his own gain.
I wouldn't want either candidate to end up with a majority. The most logical way to prevent that is to vote third-party.
Yep. They give us a one or two month old push poll, pre Fred.
In the 1998 Illinois gubernatorial race, I voted for the pro-gun, pro-life, small-government candidate. I did not vote for the anti-gun, pro-choice, big-government candidate. Since the former had a (D) next to his name and the latter an (R), does that make me a RINO?
Incidentally, the latter candidate won very narrowly, proceeded within his first year to force through anti-gun legislation (calling legislators repeatedly back from break until they passed it!), and has since been convicted on corruption charges.
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