The Socialist/Democrat voterbase sees gubmint this way.....
Posted on 03/22/2007 4:24:28 PM PDT by pissant
A top leader in the Southern Baptist Convention predicted that former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani would not succeed in winning the votes of Southern Baptists if he were to become the Republican nominee for president in 2008.
In brief comments after a chapel service at the North Carolina legislature on Wednesday, Richard Land, the president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, said former U.S. House speaker Newt Gingrich would likely fail for the same reason.
"Three is one marriage too many for them," said Land, referring to the 16.4 million members of the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's largest Protestant group. Both Giuliani and Gingrich have been married three times.
A friend and adviser to President Bush, Land keeps close watch on politics as head of the commission, which studies moral, social, and religious liberty issues for the convention.
Though Southern Baptists are independent and do not necessarily follow his counsel, Land said three others who have already entered the presidential fray were more likely to win support among Southern Baptists. Those three are Sam Brownback, a Republican Senator from Kansas, Michael Huckabee, the former Republican governor of Arkansas, and Duncan Hunter, Republican Congressman from California.
As for Mitt Romney, the former governor of Massachusetts, who is a Mormon, Land didn't rule him out. But, he said, the Republican hopeful has to convince the American people that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints won't dictate his policy. Land said he met with Romney recently and told him: "That's not a hill that can't be climbed. But you're going to have to climb it."
Finally, Land said he sensed that U.S. Senator John McCain was perceived as a wild card.
"People are uncomfortable with his predictability," said Land. "They tell me, 'We don't know how he's going to come down on the issues.'"
that's certainly applicable to late term abortion, but you know full well the issue on first trimester abortions is whether "life" applies to the embryo.
Remember that Churchill was writing little more than a decade after the Mahdi uprising in the Sudan, which led to the death of Gen. Gordon in Khartoum. The 1898 Kitchener expedition to retake the Sudan was in retaliation for that disaster. Churchill as you know was part of that expedition, fought at Omdurman and then wrote about it. The Mahdi was the bin Laden of his time.
Churchill was immersed in English and Western civilization, although he was not an observant Christian. I think he considered himself agnostic, but he wasn’t hostile at all to Christianity like Gibbon.
And the Democrats, Independents, and Illegals.
Why not just declare Rudy President and save the expense of an election.
and its not just "the party" that has to unite around this person - its some majority of the increasingly large apolitical independent block.
Exactly!
What the heck are you blathering about?
That "blackmail" is how voting works. People are allowed to choose who they will vote for, you know.
The Socialist/Democrat voterbase sees gubmint this way.....
I seem to recall it being on one of his old web sites. Hunter addressed the issue and also the check overdraft issue.
He was investigated in both cases and was not charged for anything.
His constituents reelected him by a wide margin.
There's not a single politician today in either party that's squeaky clean.
But Hunter appears to as remarkably clean as any candidate running for President in some time.
So did New Yorkers, with HRC.....
My ex had an affair with my nephew.
There's no way I could work it out.
So anyway, where are people getting this idea that we aren't all that thrilled about Guiliani because of his religion or lack of it, or because he isn't clean and pure as the wind driven snow (like George Bush and Reagan were... you know... 8-) ) ??
Yes, but I wasn't talking about her.
I was responding to your post regarding Hunter.
That's all.
Is Rush running for President?
Rudy's divorces do not worry me.
Rudy's politics do.
Ok, so did you go out and find another bad apple? if so then a woman who married you after that would really have to do a background check if she had any self-respect. (seriously - my husband's aunt is in this very situation and she did not do much checking...we are all very concerned, hopefully it will be for no good reason) Another factor would be were there kids from the first marriage that should not have been subjected to the emotional risks of another romance (and possible breakup)? Those are details that obviously we're not going to learn. But three times? I mean, even Rush Limbaugh would make me leery now, much as I enjoy listening to him. He obviously isn't a good judge of character when it comes to women.
I think shaggy eel might have something to say on this one.
Still the divorce argument is a straw man. It factors in, if it is something he can't seem to learn from, but is not the primary criteria. Why is that so hard to understand?
BTW it's not like an affair 'just happens'as the post I was replying to said -- it grows out of an unhealthy relationship in the first place. the recommendation to 'grow up and work it out' applies to both parties equally. (and yes, at some times one will apply it more than the other, and vice versa - sometimes totally by one party and not the other, in which case, the one party *should* have been able to see that quality in the other, if they weren't blinded by something else).
And yes, if I was divorced I would blame myself at *least* for being fooled into picking someone worth divorcing and having wasted my time. Fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice... well...
"and its not just "the party" that has to unite around this person - its some majority of the increasingly large apolitical independent block."
I agree 100%. To bad some people have tunnel vision.
So I wonder why Giuliani, John Kerry and most of the Northeastern Catholics haven't been excommunicated?
You and I know it's far too early to call what will happen in the next several months. But either Fred Thompson, Duncan Hunter or even another pro-life candidate could surface and unite the party. Or they could team up as a strong slate.
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