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Baptist: Giuliani won't get our votes
News and Observer ^ | 3/22/07 | Yonat Shimron

Posted on 03/22/2007 4:24:28 PM PDT by pissant

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To: Labyrinthos

I wouldn't vote for him, either.

I would enjoy having a conversation with him, though.


161 posted on 03/22/2007 6:01:05 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!!)
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To: Politicalmom

Maybe Donna Hanover had alienated him so much by this point that they were done. We just don't know, do we?


162 posted on 03/22/2007 6:02:03 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: gesully

I guess in your world Presidents don't sign/veto bills....


163 posted on 03/22/2007 6:02:46 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!!)
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To: HitmanLV

You are making no sense. Bush is a mainstream conservative republican, and a methodist. While they admire Bush, he was not the darling of the evangelicals, he was the darling of the GOP establishment much more so.

And not being baptist myself, but Roman Catholic, it was the shift in RC voting to the GOP that allowed him to win two elections. They had always been majority dem previously. So I credit the Pope for getting him elected.

His main rival was McCain, a thorn in the side to the GOP establishment.

And FWIW, moderate GWB is solid president. And though he normally does not speak well off the cuff, he has given several speeches worthy of the presidential hall of fame. And while he is not nearly as strong on the border as I would like, he gladly signed Duncan Hunter's border fence bill when Hunter ramrodded it through congress. And while he is not been the best at inspiring confidence in the war, the GOP senate has been much worse. And while GOPers were fretting about the war, Bush is committed to victory, and victory is well under way.


164 posted on 03/22/2007 6:03:05 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: durasell

Well, practicality first and foremost. I see no practical way we can outlaw first trimester abortions, for example, if more people than not want it that way.


165 posted on 03/22/2007 6:03:27 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: pissant
Did I say I agreed with the baptists rationale. My ratioanle for not supporting Rudy is that he's a liberal. I don't care if he has a harem.

Alongside the false dichotomy and ad hominem they keep their concealed carry Straw Man.

166 posted on 03/22/2007 6:04:31 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Politicalmom

His votes on legal immigration were even worse than his votes on illegal immigration.


167 posted on 03/22/2007 6:04:34 PM PDT by Nephi (Candidates have to convince voters that they won't be a continuation of W. What a legacy.)
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To: Terriergal

Well, a couple of hundred years have passed, after all. To those of us paying attention that is.

Where do you stand on that damned Stamp Act, by the way?


168 posted on 03/22/2007 6:04:38 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Terriergal

Now there are a bunch of folks calling themselves evangelicals that sound more like greenpeace idiots.


169 posted on 03/22/2007 6:05:02 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: HitmanLV

I don't care. If he wanted out, he should have divorced before
starting a fling, not tried in court to force his children to be present during his sleepovers with the little tramp.


170 posted on 03/22/2007 6:05:09 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!!)
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To: HitmanLV

Your definition of gay (having sex with men) would make most of the women in this country gay. I think not.


Okay, seriously -- I see the abortion issue going back to the states. Abortions have always been readily available to those who wanted them and could afford them.


171 posted on 03/22/2007 6:05:23 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: durasell
Quit jumping to conclusions! Just because he liked having sex with other men doesn't make him gay!

I am a judgmental little fellow, I admit! ;-)

172 posted on 03/22/2007 6:05:30 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: Terriergal

LOL. Seems so.


173 posted on 03/22/2007 6:05:49 PM PDT by pissant (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: Terriergal
"Shh Shh! Don't say that. They might hear you!

don't ask silly questions!~

LOL! BTW, your FR homepage is one of the best I've seen here. You have a great blog too. I look forward to spending more time checking it out later on. I've enjoyed reading you posts here Keep them coming!.
174 posted on 03/22/2007 6:06:59 PM PDT by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: HitmanLV; durasell
I see no practical way we can outlaw first trimester abortions, for example, if more people than not want it that way.

Simple. Pass a law. Substitute any other crime in for abortion and see if your argument holds: If most people want to keep partial birth abortion, I don't see how it can be done. How about if most people want to own slaves? Or...take cocaine? Smoke pot? Drink and drive? Drink underage? Commit bestiality? gang rape a woman? Put Jews in concentration camps?

175 posted on 03/22/2007 6:08:11 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: pissant

I am just speaking in terms of the broad dissatisfaction the president enjoys. Whether we like him or not isn't important towards that end.

If I overstated his appeal to evangelicals, I'm sorry. That's been my understanding of the dynamics. Maybe I'm wrong.


176 posted on 03/22/2007 6:08:37 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: dmw

You are far too kind! Thank you very much.


177 posted on 03/22/2007 6:08:45 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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To: Politicalmom

Ideally, you are right.

Life isn't ideal, though.


178 posted on 03/22/2007 6:09:17 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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To: pissant

Bush won the white evangelical vote, in 2004, by a margin of 80-20 with record turnout.

if an 80-20 spread doesn't make you a "darling", I don't know what does.


179 posted on 03/22/2007 6:10:06 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: durasell

Well, I didn't give my complete definition of being gay. :-)

Anyway, you are correct regarding abortion. I wish more Freepers saw this issue with more clarity.


180 posted on 03/22/2007 6:10:12 PM PDT by HitmanLV ("If at first you don't succeed, keep on sucking until you do suck seed." - Jerry 'Curly' Howard)
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