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Is 'mark of the beast' in Real ID Act?
STLToday.com ^ | 03/22/2007 | Derek Kravitz

Posted on 03/22/2007 6:12:56 PM PDT by mmanager

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To: mmanager

Unbelievable that people still believe this nonsense.


41 posted on 03/22/2007 7:45:03 PM PDT by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: TeenagedConservative

This mark of the stuff has nothing to do with Christianity as it comes from the myths and fables of the Old Testament. The NT is the bible of us Christians.


42 posted on 03/22/2007 7:48:52 PM PDT by baubau (BOYCOTT Bank of America for Issuing Credit Cards to 3rd World Illegal Aliens.)
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To: baubau

Actually the Mark of the Beast is in Revelations 13;16-18
and the book of Revelations is in the New Testament


43 posted on 03/22/2007 7:57:34 PM PDT by glymers
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To: baubau

Not on this site it isn't.


44 posted on 03/22/2007 8:09:04 PM PDT by ASA Vet (http://www.rinorepublic.com)
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To: SteveMcKing

Ummmm, voodoo is a real religion. '666' being interpreted as a national ID scheme is just interpretation.


45 posted on 03/22/2007 8:24:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man
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To: baubau
This mark of the stuff has nothing to do with Christianity as it comes from the myths and fables of the Old Testament

Nope, it comes from the myths/fables of the New Testament (Book of Revelation).

46 posted on 03/22/2007 8:37:44 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: mmanager

I would not be to worried about this the mark will not come until after the rapture of the church.plus the mark of the beast is implanted or tattoo into the forehead or the hands of the unbeliever.Without this mark you cannot buy or sell in the antichrist world or kingdom.


47 posted on 03/22/2007 8:39:15 PM PDT by MATSEVAH
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To: mmanager

National ID numbers?

You mean like Social Security numbers?

You're more likely to get by without a drivers license than a SS number.


48 posted on 03/22/2007 8:43:16 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: mmanager

Irving Baxter is not a Christian leader.


49 posted on 03/22/2007 8:45:49 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: mmanager

Prince Charles is the Anti-Christ

http://www.tribwatch.com/charles.htm




8^)


50 posted on 03/22/2007 8:46:43 PM PDT by airborne (Airborne! Ranger! Combat Tested Vietnam Veteran! DUNCAN HUNTER !!)
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To: mmanager
I'm not going to be around because I believe in "Pre-Trib" as the Bible states.

Where exactly does the Bible state this?

51 posted on 03/22/2007 8:47:30 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: mmanager
This law need to be $h!tcanned ! Another item to keep an eye on and fight is the AAMVA Driver License Agreement (DLA) which as a start, share driver database records not only between the states but also Canada and Mexico. I am sure the EU along with Australia and possibly NZ are in sights of this DLA.

The only good thing for the DLA and Real ID Act, death to the concept ad law respectively.

On the DLA, there is legislation in both the US House and US Senate to force states to sign the DLA. It is in DWI legislation known as the Scott Gardner Act, the missing piece to the Real ID Act. There was so much controversy to the DLA that it was removed from the final language of the Real ID Act. If states refuse to sign the DLA, federal funding of state law enforcement would be stripped from the noncomplying state. The wording of the act is exchange information within the National Driver Registry/Problem Driver Pointer System (NDR/PDPS).
52 posted on 03/22/2007 9:12:29 PM PDT by CORedneck
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To: baubau

Uh...the Mark isn't mentioned in the Old Testament.


53 posted on 03/23/2007 10:43:25 AM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: B-Chan
the only thing that can keep a person from going to Heaven through Him is that person's voluntary and conscious rejection of Jesus Christ — not just in words, but by one's whole being. That is the unforgivable sin — to be presented with Jesus as King and to willfully say "No, I will not serve." Short of that, all the chip implants and ID cards in the world aren't going to land anyone in Hell.

Actually, Revelation 14:9 - 12 makes it pretty clear that anyone that takes the Mark of the Beast is dammed:

9 A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand,
10 he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.
11 And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name."
12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.

One of the reasons that "the mark" gets a lot of press in Christendom -- taking "the mark" is too big of a risk to chance. I know I will never, under any circumstances, allow some one to implant anything into my right hand or forehead, tattoo anything there, or otherwise get "marked" permanently in those places.

54 posted on 03/23/2007 11:06:03 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [This is some nasty...])
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To: L,TOWM
"If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark..." Note that worshiping the Beast is required. The Lord doesn't care what you have tattooed on your body; it's your soul he's concerned with.

Besides, if merely getting tattooed was enough to send you to Hell, why would't the Beast just forcibly tattoo everybody? Because it's the choice that matters, not the tattoo itself.

Furthermore, the hand and/or forehead are not going to be the preferred places for the implantation of any global electronic ID chip. Hands can be cut off, and there's no room under the skin of the forehead for a chip. Animals are not chipped on the paw or the forehead, and humans wouldn't be, either. According to Wikipedia, "In dogs and cats, chips are usually inserted below the skin at the back of the neck... Horses are microchipped on the left side of the neck... Birds' microchips are injected into their breast muscles". It's much more likely that any human ID chip would be impanted in a more secure location, such as the back of the neck or behind the breastbone, where it would be safe from hacking and unauthorized removal. And since Scripture clearly states that the Beast's mark must be on the right hand or forehead, any chip implanted elsewhere within the body can't be the dreaded mark.

My objection to chipping has nothing to do with the book of Revelation. I object on esthetic and ethical grounds. I find the thought of human beings being chipped to be ugly and repulsive, and I object to the further objectification of the human person implied by chipping. Human beings are not merchandise or products, and neither the state nor any other entity, public or private, has the right to track or inventory them. Furthermore, the act of chipping is intrinsically injurious to the dignity of the human person as an individual created by God. There are plenty of people who feel as I do, and for that reason I predict that any attempt to chip people for economic reasons (or for any reasons other than emergencies or military service) will meet with widespread public opposition.

Human beings come equipped with many "onboard" identification systems: voiceprints, retinal patterns, DNA codes, and good old fashioned fingerprints. Unlike chips, these identifying characteristics cannot be removed or hacked, and thus are and will continue to be used to reliably identify humans for commercial and other legitimate purposes. I don't think anyone is going to spend money to chip people when we already have thumbprints that work just as well and are free.

55 posted on 03/23/2007 12:02:12 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: mmanager

And how come nobody pinged ME to this thread!


56 posted on 03/23/2007 12:05:59 PM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: TeenagedConservative
"Uh...the Mark isn't mentioned in the Old Testament."
 
There was a mark put upon Cain which could be construed as a "type" of the Mark in Revelation.

57 posted on 03/23/2007 12:30:00 PM PDT by Radix (Time served in the Congress should be reason enough to disallow a person from the Presidency)
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To: Radix

You're right; forgot that.


58 posted on 03/23/2007 10:06:23 PM PDT by TeenagedConservative
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To: MATSEVAH

Well they already have the Implant and they also have the Tatoo http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2007/01/11/221122/rfid-ink-product-could-track-humans.htm


59 posted on 03/25/2007 4:47:57 AM PDT by glymers
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