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UFOs flew over Phoenix in '97, Symington says
ARIZONA DAILY STAR ^ | 3/23/07 | Tom Beal

Posted on 03/23/2007 7:05:34 PM PDT by Pro-Bush

The Arizona Daily Star Published: 03.23.2007

UFOs flew over Phoenix in '97, Symington says By Tom Beal ARIZONA DAILY STAR

"The universe is a big place, and we're conceited to think we're alone." Fife Symington, former Ariz. governor Former Gov. Fife Symington says now that those strange lights that appeared over Phoenix a decade ago were from another world and that he had a close encounter with an alien craft on March 13, 1997.

"I'm a pilot and I know just about every machine that flies. It was bigger than anything that I've ever seen. It remains a great mystery. Other people saw it, responsible people," Symington said Thursday. "I don't know why people would ridicule it."

Symington, who was in his second term as governor of Arizona during the Phoenix Lights incident, recently told a UFO investigator making a documentary that he had kept quiet about his personal close encounter because he didn't want to panic the populace. He repeated his story Thursday on CNN, saying the craft he saw was "enormous. It just felt other-worldly. In your gut, you could just tell it was other-worldly."

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1 posted on 03/23/2007 7:05:35 PM PDT by Pro-Bush
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To: Pro-Bush
It just felt other-worldly. In your gut, you could just tell it was other-worldly.

I've had bowel movements where I felt the exact same thing.
2 posted on 03/23/2007 7:07:09 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Pro-Bush

Fife is cracking. His father was cracked.


3 posted on 03/23/2007 7:08:43 PM PDT by donmeaker (The speed of light is 186,234 miles per second. Not just a good idea, its the LAW!)
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To: Pro-Bush

I'm pretty sure those lights were proven to be military parachute flares.


4 posted on 03/23/2007 7:08:45 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behing the Maple Curtain)
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To: Pro-Bush

5 posted on 03/23/2007 7:08:50 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: Straight Vermonter

That's just what THEY want you to believe...

;-)


6 posted on 03/23/2007 7:10:30 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: AD from SpringBay

ROFLMAO!!!


7 posted on 03/23/2007 7:10:51 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (We need a troop surge in New Orleans and Philly!)
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To: Pro-Bush

Tucson astronomer and retired Air Force pilot James McGaha said he investigated two separate sightings over Phoenix that March night and traced them both to A-10 aircraft flying in formation at high altitude.

McGaha said he talked to an amateur astronomer who observed the A-10s and to the National Guard unit that flew them.
"It was clearly aircraft in formation, flying at two different times and then dropping flares and it's clear to any rational person that's what it was," McGaha said Thursday.

McGaha said Symington "is not a trained observer and what he feels in his gut doesn't make any difference."


8 posted on 03/23/2007 7:10:52 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: Straight Vermonter

...I see you don't read DEBKA.


9 posted on 03/23/2007 7:11:01 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: Pro-Bush
TIN FOIL ALERT !!
TIN FOIL ALERT !!
10 posted on 03/23/2007 7:13:45 PM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Nothing witty here... move on.)
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To: Pro-Bush

11 posted on 03/23/2007 7:14:10 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Pro-Bush

The world is ending! We're all gonna die! AAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!!


12 posted on 03/23/2007 7:14:31 PM PDT by ilovew ("Sure I am of this, that you have only to endure to conquer." --Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: onyx; Just A Nobody; Wolfstar; ohioWfan; STARWISE; Jewels1091; snugs; DollyCali; GretchenM; ...

For your amusement ping. :)


13 posted on 03/23/2007 7:16:05 PM PDT by ilovew ("Sure I am of this, that you have only to endure to conquer." --Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Straight Vermonter

What the hey it was good enough for the peanut farmer.


14 posted on 03/23/2007 7:16:12 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Straight Vermonter
I'm pretty sure those lights were proven to be military parachute flares.

I remember a documentary some years ago that had the usual video of the lights.
They overlayed a daylight pic of the mountain range. No question the lights were flares on the other side of the range.

OTOH, a lot of people claim to have seen lighted triangles or boomerang shaped objects overhead.

I'm a skeptic on the Phoenix lights.

15 posted on 03/23/2007 7:17:20 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Pro-Bush

I've never understood this panic thing. What exactly was he afraid folks would do?


16 posted on 03/23/2007 7:19:19 PM PDT by Graymatter ( Support FREDeralism in 2008!)
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To: Pro-Bush

17 posted on 03/23/2007 7:19:51 PM PDT by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: Pro-Bush
Well, everyone was going to Phoenix in the 90's. Maybe they wanted the dry air for their asthma.
18 posted on 03/23/2007 7:20:44 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (RIP Mr. Brightside)
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To: devane617

Nice tubes.


19 posted on 03/23/2007 7:21:24 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (RIP Mr. Brightside)
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To: bnelson44
...and it's clear to any rational person that's what it was," McGaha said...

So, if you don't believe McGaha your irrational.

...McGaha said Symington "is not a trained observer...

Exactly how does one become a "trained observer"? I never saw Observer 101 in my college course catalog.

20 posted on 03/23/2007 7:21:50 PM PDT by FReepaholic (Give me ambiguity or give me something else.)
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To: ilovew

You weren't yet born when UFO sightings and claims of rides in space crafts and abductions by aliens were the rage.


21 posted on 03/23/2007 7:22:03 PM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Pro-Bush
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22 posted on 03/23/2007 7:22:24 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Vinnie

I'm a UFO buff, sorta.

There is a show on the History Channel (I think) called UFO Files.
I've seen many of them. One in particular has me going Hmmmmm.
It concerns airline and Air Force pilot's reports.
They play actual pilot to controller tapes.
Pretty spooky.


23 posted on 03/23/2007 7:23:16 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Pro-Bush
They came to warn us about Nukes in the '50's and now they are back to warn us about the Goracle.
24 posted on 03/23/2007 7:26:28 PM PDT by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: Vinnie

http://www.flyingrods.com/sitefl/show_cntry_lst.asp?id=1

People in Alabama see more Flying Rods than any other state. I have always found that odd.


25 posted on 03/23/2007 7:29:22 PM PDT by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: Pro-Bush

A more crediable report was from a police helicopter who encountered a strange object on a night patrol over Phx. It would have to be awfully "strange" for a police helicopter pilot to report a object as something "strange."


26 posted on 03/23/2007 7:29:33 PM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: onyx
You weren't yet born when UFO sightings and claims of rides in space crafts and abductions by aliens were the rage.

I was, I was.

George Adamski... Read several of his books back in the '50s.

Then there is that nut in Switzerland (?), Billy Meyer. Although I think he is more contemporary.

27 posted on 03/23/2007 7:29:41 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: onyx

Rides in spacecrafts? Hey, that sounds pretty cool. ;) Lol some things I'm really glad I missed...


28 posted on 03/23/2007 7:30:34 PM PDT by ilovew ("Sure I am of this, that you have only to endure to conquer." --Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Image hosted by Photobucket.com tooo damn funny...
29 posted on 03/23/2007 7:30:48 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Pro-Bush
Fife's cousin, Stuart, was the first Secretary of the Air Force...appointed in 1947...the same year as the Roswell incident. Coincidence...I don't think so.

</conspiracy theory>

30 posted on 03/23/2007 7:30:50 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (Global Emergency!)
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To: FReepaholic

I don't know what Symington saw. But the Phoenix lights was pretty obviously flares. I lived in Scottsdale at the time and the flares disappeared in a pattern that matched the mountains


31 posted on 03/23/2007 7:31:37 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: Vinnie

You're GOOD. I don't remember any of their names. I do recall the one black guy and his wife making a claims of abduction.


33 posted on 03/23/2007 7:32:44 PM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: ilovew

Crackpots and attention seekers. They were laughable but they got a lot of media attention.


34 posted on 03/23/2007 7:33:37 PM PDT by onyx (DEFEAT Hillary Clinton, Marxist, student of Saul Alinsky & ally and beneficiary of Soros.)
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To: Vinnie

I have a college friend who is a AF pilot. He says that many experienced pilots have witnessed UFOs. However, these guys keep quiet about it almost universally because they don't want to be take off flight status (permanently).


35 posted on 03/23/2007 7:35:05 PM PDT by rbg81 (1)
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To: bnelson44

The lights were not just seen in Phoenix that night, it was reported from the Nevada line, through Phoenix, to the edge of Tucson within about a 3 hour time frame.


36 posted on 03/23/2007 7:35:36 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: devane617

Hasn't the flying rods been proved to be artifacts caused by insects flying fast enough to leave a streak on the tape?
I recall seeing a video of flying rods around the mouth of a cave, lots of rods. Strange place for alien craft.


37 posted on 03/23/2007 7:37:35 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: devane617

Nice cups...


38 posted on 03/23/2007 7:37:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Pro-Bush
"The universe is a big place, and we're conceited to think we're alone."

Thinking we're probably not alone in the universe is one thing. ....a reasonable view.

Maintaining that a craft from one of these alien civilizations buzzed Phoenix in '97 is quite another.

He repeated his story Thursday on CNN, saying the craft he saw was "enormous."

Uh oh. The fabled Mothership?

39 posted on 03/23/2007 7:38:40 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Vinnie
I've always found UFO and ghost accounts to be like Alice in the looking glass shop. All the shelves were full, but when you looked directly at any one shelf, it was empty, but all the ones around it were packed.

I hear all these stories that sound compelling, but every time I check on an individual story, there's nothing to it.

40 posted on 03/23/2007 7:39:26 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: bkepley

Isn't it amazing that all of these people in important positions see these things but never do anything about it?


41 posted on 03/23/2007 7:41:05 PM PDT by CremeSaver
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To: Pro-Bush

42 posted on 03/23/2007 7:41:58 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Hey mister, can you spare a carbon credit?)
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To: Pro-Bush

The United States Air Force identified them as flares dropped by A-10 Warthog aircraft which were on training exercises. A video illustrating this explanation was broadcast on a special on Fox Television stations about a year after the event (I saw it). A copy of the original video was used in coordination with a video shot in the daytime from the exact same location. The two videos were merged into one on a frame by frame basis, so that the landmarks (both in the foreground and background) were always perfectly aligned. This allowed analysis of the lights regarding their apparent height above the mountain, and it was easily seen that the lights vanished in line with the outline of the mountain. Military flares such as these can be seen from hundreds of miles with correct environmental conditions. This can explain why the flares were seen from the Nevada state line and Tucson. Later comparisons with known military flare drops were reported on local television stations, showing dramatic similarities between the known military flare drops and the Phoenix Lights

Airforce pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, came forward in early 2007 claiming responsibility for the drop of leftover flares on the night in question, and claims to be a pilot of one of the four A10s in the squadron that he says launched the flares.

Fox video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8BWwd1ciKk


Ref:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights


43 posted on 03/23/2007 7:42:12 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! If you are military please sign at: http://appealforcourage.org)
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To: isthisnickcool

That pic has been photoshoped.

Rush would never shake with his left hand.


44 posted on 03/23/2007 7:45:44 PM PDT by Principle Over Politics (Violating the most basic conservative principles is a sure way to lose the election.-Jim Robinson)
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To: bnelson44
That's right, and Luke afb knew nothing about it.
45 posted on 03/23/2007 7:46:59 PM PDT by Pro-Bush (hater)
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To: donmeaker

He's part of a loooong line of stellar AZ governors.


46 posted on 03/23/2007 7:47:03 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: Vinnie

My brother was the controller on duty when of the tapes that was on Art Bell was recorded. Kinda interesting, altho I don't think my brother believes in UFOs even still.
susie


47 posted on 03/23/2007 7:47:37 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: onyx
I do recall the one black guy and his wife making a claims of abduction.

That would be Betty and Barney Hill.
Actually I thought their story and ensuing investigation was pretty convincing.
I think they were the first of the modern abduction cases.

If you are interested, one of the cases that I find really convincing is the Alligash Incident.
Four or five college buddies ( two of them are twins)go night fishing on Alligash Lake in Maine.
It's a long story but the short version is they get abducted but have no memory of it.
Years later one of the twins starts having nightmares. He is so troubled he calls his brother to talk to him about it. The second brother is having similar dreams.
Both brothers are artists, and their paintings and sculptures take a turn to alien creatures.
Very fascinating case.

48 posted on 03/23/2007 7:48:49 PM PDT by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Pro-Bush; Las Vegas Dave; Quix

BTTT!


49 posted on 03/23/2007 7:49:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: onyx

Betty and Barney Hill


50 posted on 03/23/2007 7:50:45 PM PDT by csuzieque
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