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To: Alamo-Girl
As I said before, the presupposition of scholars dating ancient manuscripts is that prophesy cannot happen. Thus the mention of an event which is a verifiable bit of history causes them to date the manuscript after that historical event.

Your reference doesn't seem to support an actual prophecy involving Herod. Your original post strongly implied that texts mentioning Herod have been carbon dated to 200 B.C. I haven't seen any evidence for this.

406 posted on 03/28/2007 5:46:34 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: js1138; Quix
Your reference doesn't seem to support an actual prophecy involving Herod.

LOLOL!

The many prophesies concerning the Messiah don't specify the Name He was appointed when He was enfleshed, the date or address, His parents' names and so on. If they did, everyone would have known Him. The prophesies instead gave clues to all these things. God always hides Truth in plain sight.

Likewise are prophesies concerning other characters, nations and events.

For instance, in the following passage - Alexander the Great is not named, but the vast majority of scholars understand of whom Daniel is speaking:

And the rough goat [is] the king of Grecia: and the great horn that [is] between his eyes [is] the first king. Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power. - Daniel 8:21-22

Likewise, there is no doubt among Christians of whom Isaiah is speaking here in chapter 53 - even though he doesn't name Jesus:

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither [was any] deceit in his mouth.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, [and] shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him [a portion] with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Isaiah 53 was also found at Qumran (Dead Sea Scrolls) - and was dated at 100 B.C. For a summary of the DSS v the Masoretic text from which the King James (above) was translated: Ancient Hebrew Translation Project

Likewise, even though Herod is not named in Enoch - most scholars understood him to be the character and his the time being spoken of in Enoch. And for that reason, they presumed Enoch was written during his rule or shortly thereafter. But that was before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

409 posted on 03/28/2007 9:41:56 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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