Can we say doctored photo?

[New Perspective]

I think the photo has been doctored. Here is the photo.

Now here is a photo that I took just moments before they go onto the bridge. Notice the woman with the white headband in the doctored photo. Then look at her in my photo. She is not located anywhere in the photo with the same people in the doctored photo. Also you can see how the crowd is not at big as a full on shot.

I also want to point out in the doctored photo that behind the woman are people wearing neon vests for crowd control. These people were located at the FRONT of the protest, not in the middle. But in my photo they are no where to be found. I find it hard to believe that she ran all to the front of the protest as they crossed the bridge.

[nutmeg]

Park Police no longer do "official crowd estimates." The estimate we were given was done in an unofficial way by one of the same people who used to do official estimates.

OK... I gotcha. Hmmm... although it's probably a pretty accurate count, I guess I can't provide a source then.

FYI, the official estimates were stopped after the right reverend Louis Farrakhan and his MMM thugs screamed racism and bigotry at the Park Service's estimates that the Million Man March came up 900-and-some-thousand short of the MMM claimed crowd size.

Oh, fer cryin' out loud... why am I not surprised?

Thanks for the education, FRiend... ;-)

[Lady J USA 1981]

This issue seems to be creating quite the debate.

[New Perspective]

Yes it has.

Also, Here is the quote from UPI

WAP20070317701 Thousands of protesters walk from the Lincoln Memorial towards the Pentagon to protest the the fourth anniversary of the start of the Iraq War, in Arlington, Virginia on March 17, 2007. This protest met at the starting point of the massive 1967 anti-Vietnam War march on the Pentagon.

Photographer: ALEXIS C. GLENN Organization: Date and Time Recorded: Mar 17 2007 02:35PM Date of Publication: 03/17/2007 Country: USA State/Province: VA City: ARLINGTON Caption Writer: ACG

First of all, my pic was taken at 1:05 PM and theirs was at 2:25 PM. There is NO way that she went to the front of the parade and the parade took that long to cross the bridge. Second, if they were coming back from the Pentagon media sources showed that only about 1000 stayed to listen to the speakers while MOST of the protesters took the metro and did not cross back over the bridge.

There is definatly something fishy about that photo.

[Beckwith]

Gotcha!

Good eyes Mr. Danger!

[Beckwith]

There are some strange marks on the photos

Looks like a double exposure and the "strange marks" appear to be airliner windows -- and they appear to have two exposures -- triple exposure?

[Apple Blossom]

Post #121. Read all comments by Gen. Danger.

[Mr.Unique]

I think I have been proven right.

That's what I was getting at. Just quoting another poster's words to you so that they could eat them. ;)

[Mr.Unique]

She is not located anywhere in the photo with the same people in the doctored photo.

Sure she is. In photo 1 there is a guy with a blue hat and an orange sign over her rigth shoulder (to the left, looking at the pic). In photo 2, he is to the left of her.

Was your pic taken BEFORE the memorial bridge? The "doctored" one was taken past the end of the bridge....maybe as much as 1/4 mile after the left turn off of the bridge.

[Albion Wilde]

The official count of the moonbats was 8,000

Do you have a source of official numbers? I would very much like to have a documentation. Thank you very much in advance for your reply.

[Albion Wilde]

"Pro-war protesters were wearing wierd sweaters"

Is that pathetic? She "doesn't get" the veterans' "weird sweaters, which are clearly legible patches on their leather jackets saying they are combat veterans or honoring those Missing In Action. The only story I heard from the GoE that tops that was when a veteran was being grilled by a British-accented reporter about "when did America ever liberate another nation" and he mentioned Germany, France, Kosovo and some other places, and she said, "Hah! When did the U.S. ever liberate France???"

Can you believe the stupidity?

[ArrogantBustard]

ROFL!!! He's everywhere!!!

[razorback-bert]

My first thought too.

[Lady J USA 1981]

Hey, I just noticed something funny. Looks like the lady in the white Jacket and earmuffs tripped hitting another protester in the head. *lmao*

[New Perspective]

Was your pic taken BEFORE the memorial bridge?

Yes it was. About 25 yards before they go onto the bridge.

[nutmeg]

Is that pathetic? She "doesn't get" the veterans' "weird sweaters, which are clearly legible patches on their leather jackets saying they are combat veterans or honoring those Missing In Action.

I know... incredible, isn't it? And she was one of the many clueless nutjobs shouting insults at us from across the street (or later, from their parade... shouting at us down at Arlington Circle). Nothing like "empowered ignorance", huh? ;-)

I admit I only skimmed her "flickr" website, but she appears to be a Georgetown student from Egypt. Not sure if she is even an American citizen.

The only story I heard from the GoE that tops that was when a veteran was being grilled by a British-accented reporter about "when did America ever liberate another nation" and he mentioned Germany, France, Kosovo and some other places, and she said, "Hah! When did the U.S. ever liberate France???"

Can you believe the stupidity?

Oh. My. G... Are you serious? That is absolutely shocking... and sad.

[Mr.Unique]

Yes it was. About 25 yards before they go onto the bridge

OK. I just got back from a run out there. I walked from the start of the bridge (near the Lincoln Memorial) to the point where the pic was taken. It took me 6 minutes to clear the bridge and then turn left toward the Pentagon. it took me another 5 minutes to get to the point where the "suspect" picture was taken (my guesstimate of the location by lining up the background). A crowd can get really mixed up in 11 minutes.

[New Perspective]

Thanks for the follow up. Now that is what I call service.

The picture, in my opinion, is a fake. Because if it was talen as UPI states, going from the Lincoln Memorial to the pentagon it is wrong. I was there when they were returning and there were A LOT less people than in the picture.

Fake but accurate.(snicker)

[erikm88]

You be the judge. Here is the EXIF information extracted from the photo itself:

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[erikm88]

Oops, I did not mean to paste the entire thing:

This info. shows when the picture was taken:

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