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Why do Democrats crave defeat?
Townhall.com ^ | March 25, 2007 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 03/24/2007 10:39:38 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: jazusamo
What is this obsession that liberals have with seeing America destroyed?

I'm guessing they're tired of hiding under their beds and just want if over with.  Or they believe that the terrorist will spare them because of their undying support.

101 posted on 03/25/2007 8:25:18 AM PDT by scratcher
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To: mkjessup
You should read this reply which contains Alinsky's rules for radicals and observe how many of them you utilize.
102 posted on 03/25/2007 8:26:23 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Caipirabob
So much great commentary on this thread.

Absolutely...I believe this is FR at it's best.

103 posted on 03/25/2007 8:26:39 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Mark17
You give them [Dims] too much credit. They think that they are the elite, entitled to be at the top of the heap, no matter what.

Machiavellian leftists use that character flaw to achieve the destruction of US, hoping to sink all boats, rather than raise those that can be raised.

104 posted on 03/25/2007 8:33:52 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: advance_copy

Good Job.


105 posted on 03/25/2007 8:34:43 AM PDT by scratcher
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To: philman_36; All
You should read this reply which contains Alinsky's rules for radicals and observe how many of them you utilize.

No Phil, you need to get yourself a life and get over this fixation you seem to have developed for me, I'm sorry, but you're just not my type.

We're done here.
106 posted on 03/25/2007 8:38:19 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: jazusamo
I also believe this vote is going to hurt them in the long run...Pelosi wanted to show her leadership ability. It's going to come back to bite her...

If we lived in a nation in which such treachery would come back to bite those who practice it, the Democrats would never have been handed the Congress last year.

Sorry, but I no longer have any faith in the American people. I especially no longer have any faith in the so-called "real" conservatives who have spent the better part of the last two or three years trashing President Bush here on this forum and elsewhere. When you discourage and demoralize the good guys into rage at the wrong enemy, don't be surprised when the bad guys win.

107 posted on 03/25/2007 8:42:14 AM PDT by Wolfstar (When you whip the good guys into rage at the wrong enemy, don't be surprised when the bad guys win.)
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To: freema
Here is some info you may not know. See Post 87 for confirmation.
108 posted on 03/25/2007 8:46:58 AM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: mkjessup
No Phil, you need to get yourself a life and get over this fixation you seem to have developed for me...
I have a life and I have no fixation with you. You're implying that I do doesn't make it so.
...I'm sorry, but you're just not my type.
Your "you're gay" inuendo, just like your "you're following me" BS, has been used before and here it comes back again, just as useless now as then.
We're done here.
You might want to pull that fork out first.
109 posted on 03/25/2007 8:47:49 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: mkjessup
With few exceptions, Democrats are cowards, traitors, liars and fiends.

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:)

110 posted on 03/25/2007 8:48:25 AM PDT by smoothsailing (http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/)
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To: philman_36

You persistent and neurotic hectoring are only demonstrating how mentally disturbed you truly are.

Get help Phil, get it as soon as possible.


111 posted on 03/25/2007 8:50:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: TN4Liberty
I am pleased that my congressman (Lincoln Davis (D-Tn)), despite being a democrat, voted against this silliness. I wish more democrats were like him.

Yes...At least there are a few Dems left who put our country before themselves.

112 posted on 03/25/2007 8:51:34 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: smoothsailing
As regards the 218 members of Congress who voted for Jihad....

Yes, he put that very well but you have the answer to it.

113 posted on 03/25/2007 8:57:54 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: advance_copy
You can largely answer the question you have posed by a re-read of the goals of the Communist Party that became part of the Congressional Record in 1963. These goals of the Communist Party in the late 50's, which have been largely realized, and of the Democratic Party in 2007 have much in common. A scary thought.

Take a look at this FR post from 2000:

The Naked Communist

Or read the Congressional Record version HERE

114 posted on 03/25/2007 9:06:14 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: mkjessup
You (sic) persistent and neurotic hectoring are only demonstrating how mentally disturbed you truly are.
You sound like a great big WAH!
Someone turns the heat on you by calling you on your own words and all of a sudden they're "following you" or they're "the devil". /Bobby Boucheaux's Momma impression
You're a real piece of work. You've yet to even defend what I called you on.
115 posted on 03/25/2007 9:08:44 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Chgogal
an X-ray technician and daughter of a local union organizer who ended up in more than one paddy wagon as a protester in the 1960s.

Thanks for the link. It seems to run in the family.

116 posted on 03/25/2007 9:10:50 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo; smoothsailing
As regards the 218 members of Congress who voted for Jihad....
Yes, he put that very well but you have the answer to it.


All we need now is a Department of Justice willing to enforce the applicable laws.
117 posted on 03/25/2007 9:16:34 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: aflaak

ping


118 posted on 03/25/2007 9:54:15 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 (Snakes can't be taught to walk.)
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To: Wolfstar
When you discourage and demoralize the good guys into rage at the wrong enemy, don't be surprised when the bad guys win.

Agreed...The attacks by the "real" conservative arm chair generals who want to elevate themselves in others eyes by degrading our president are getting old.

119 posted on 03/25/2007 9:58:02 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: mkjessup
All we need now is a Department of Justice willing to enforce the applicable laws.

We need a John Bolton for an Attorney General and his first month in office should be used for a complete house cleaning.

120 posted on 03/25/2007 10:02:37 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

bttt


121 posted on 03/25/2007 10:13:24 AM PDT by Txsleuth (I don't know who I am voting for yet...just window shopping.)
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To: jazusamo

John Bolton would be a superb AG, although at this point I would be happy to see John Ashcroft back on the job after the abysmal performance of Alberto VO5.


122 posted on 03/25/2007 10:13:58 AM PDT by mkjessup (If Reagan were still with us, he'd ask us to "win one more for the Gipper, vote for Duncan Hunter!")
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To: Chgogal

That needs its own thread........


123 posted on 03/25/2007 10:28:48 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: jazusamo

Nothing the Democrats do in Iraq will even make the top 100 on the anti-Americanism list. Iraq will pass (probably disastrously) and can't be made into domestic political success.


124 posted on 03/25/2007 10:52:50 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: Chgogal; jazusamo; smoothsailing

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806460/posts


125 posted on 03/25/2007 10:58:56 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Darkwolf377

"Because Democrats were brought up to believe that the USA, unlike any other civilized society, was born out of sin--slavery, genocide, cheating, bigotry and greed. Thus, it is an unholy creation and deserves to be squashed so a new, pure socialist society can be created from the ashes, a society clean of sins because it overthrew that tainted civilization.

Thus, anything done to hasten the destruction of this nation is a GOOD thing."

Hey, that's what I was going to write, except for starting a sentence with a subordinating conjunction. LOL


126 posted on 03/25/2007 11:02:37 AM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: jazusamo

I believe that the Clintons are the most class conscious because they do not have class. The biggest problem I have with the Clintons and the Democrats is that they allow Hollywood actors and actresses to influence their views on how to run the country. During the eight years of Clinton rule there were endless actors and actresses partying at the White House, staying overnight, chatting on the phone with then President Clinton about how he should be running the country, etc.

With GW in office Hollywood has been shunted back to LA where they belong and since then they (actors and actresses) have been in hysterics because their power and influence has no sway anymore. The Clintons gave those monsters access to real power and all of them have been going through withdrawl ever since. The reason they've been working rabidly for the Democrats is that they know once a Democrat is back in power, they'll have access to power they once had and won't be held accountable for.


127 posted on 03/25/2007 11:22:21 AM PDT by Niuhuru
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To: Tut

Great post, Tut.

Bump


128 posted on 03/25/2007 1:49:37 PM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: jazusamo

Because Bush craves victory?


129 posted on 03/25/2007 6:10:18 PM PDT by Lord Basil (stupisticated - Having a refined fantasy view of the world that is typically based on group-think.)
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To: jazusamo

I am not a Michael Savage fan as of late but the obvious answer here is his...liberalism is a mental disorder


130 posted on 03/25/2007 6:18:13 PM PDT by RacerX1128
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To: jazusamo

Democratics----Even during the civil war they craved defeat of the nation.

Called Copperheads back then.


131 posted on 03/25/2007 6:30:30 PM PDT by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: jazusamo; All

revealing article comparing (Dems) copperheads today and back then when Lincoln faced their treachery (from NR):

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjAxOWZhOWQ1YWMwNDEwMDIyYmQ0MjQwZjgyOGFkZTU=


132 posted on 03/25/2007 6:35:06 PM PDT by eleni121 ( + En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great))
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To: eleni121

Excellent article, eleni121, thanks for the link.


133 posted on 03/25/2007 7:21:54 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo
Am I the only one in America that thinks this is truly, dastardly, diabolically - sick?

Where have you been? This is SOP for Libs my friend.


134 posted on 03/25/2007 7:30:06 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Fake but Accurate": NY Times)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The more I learn about Information Operations and Psychological Operations, the more I realize what a job is being done on the American domestic target audience.

Who says propaganda isn't effective? There are two reasons , IMHO, Dems crave defeat.

The first is that their moral view is that no one wins a war, and everyone loses, ergo, war is bad. If we win, their moral world view is invalidated.

The second is their victim mentality. If you win, you can't be a victim.

135 posted on 03/26/2007 1:48:39 PM PDT by PsyOp (Self-defense is a part of the law of nature - Barclay)
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To: jazusamo
Some of the guys here are talking about the Viet Nam war and it's aftermath. Old Viet Nam boy myself.

I saw the Left do the same things then that they are doing today. I saw a classic and massive propaganda campaign intending, and succeeding, in causing our defeat.

I saw many dead boys, but the worst thing was watching our lads slowly die of their wounds in St. Alban's hospital here in the United States. The slow and unavoidable excruciating death of a kid shot through the lower spine with his intestines and manly parts smashed, his family coming to visit weekly and their total lack of hope. His death took a couple of years.

So, those people are up to their old tricks. Throwing away the lives of our best young men, trampling on their sacrifice, spitting on their honor.

I am really getting disgusted. Bin Laden predicted that America would lose because Americans are evil cowards. That we would run away. Looks like he was right.
136 posted on 03/28/2007 11:11:22 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

I agree.

For the elected officials who take this disasterous course because they were too young to realize what was happening at the time, I fault them for not studying and learning the hideous results of the actions taken then.

For the elected officials who lived through and knew full well those results, to take that same course again is traitorous and reflects their total lack of caring for our country and other peoples of this world.


137 posted on 03/28/2007 11:32:40 AM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Iris7
Bin Laden predicted that America would lose because Americans are evil cowards. That we would run away. Looks like he was right.

Well, he appears to be half right, judging from those in the House and Senate that voted for the withdrawal timetable. I'll have to agree to that extent, they are evil, traitorous cowards.

138 posted on 03/28/2007 11:40:41 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (After 20+ LONG years, a REAL conservative I can support 4 President - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: jazusamo

Why do they crave defeat? So the French can feel better about being invaded....again.


139 posted on 03/28/2007 11:43:02 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

What we have seen, are seeing, is a very standard propaganda campaign. Absolutely obvious to me, and to you. A very crude, heavy handed, pounding drumbeat of repetition of the same lie and carefully selected emotionally loaded images. Classic.

People fall for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Be nice if kids were formally taught to recognize propaganda, but then their teachers would have to be able to recognize propaganda themselves. To do so they would expose themselves nakedly to their own uselessness and stupidity, their helplessness, and the evil they have done.

Never happen.


140 posted on 03/28/2007 12:45:52 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: OB1kNOb
You want a true story?

Abe Lincoln once made a speech to a large audience. He said, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."

The audience laughed, and laughed. You know why? After all these people were movers and shakers, politicians and mass media people, a sophisticated bunch.

It is simple. Every one in the audience knew the punch line of that joke, the punchline Abe so carefully left out. The punchline? Sure. "But you can always fool enough of the people enough of the time."
141 posted on 03/28/2007 12:57:47 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: OB1kNOb

Those people know exactly, exactly, what they are doing.

Also, what we are seeing is totally normal Left behavior. Too many historical examples to count. Probably the most interesting is the post World War One period, not only in Europe but in the United States.

Yeah, Argentina, Spain, even Mexico besides Germany, Italy, Russia, and France. Remember the Red Decade in American politics.


142 posted on 03/28/2007 1:05:44 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: jazusamo

Should have addressed 140, 141, and 142 to you also. You may find my more fully expressed point of view interesting.

And, yeah, I am totally serious. I have spent more than thirty years studying this stuff.


143 posted on 03/28/2007 1:10:23 PM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: jazusamo
Why do Democrats crave defeat?

Because they still believe in the "peace dividend."

Democrats dislike the military, and believe that funds spent on national defense are better spent on government programs for the needy, which is everyone in their eyes.

Any use of military force that commits the USA to multi-year spending takes away from the "peace dividend" that the Left wishes it could spend on their own pet projects. Therefore, they try to bring a quick end to any military actions (spending).

-PJ

144 posted on 03/28/2007 1:14:33 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: Iris7
I have spent more than thirty years studying this stuff.

I've only been seriously studying it for a year. Your comments over there would be welcome.

145 posted on 03/28/2007 11:27:18 PM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group -- Distributed IO and counter-PsyOps)
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To: jazusamo

There are really THREE different groups at work here...

Washington Limo-Elite Democrats-

They see an American defeat as thier ticket to absolute, unchallenged power, like they had in the 70's.

The MASSIVE amounts of foriegn and Uber-Rich moonbat cash flowing into thier coffers from Anti-War folks the world over, is supporting thier DC Lifestyles of Mansions, Limos, Private Jets, and Parties...

That stuff doesn't come cheap...

Radical Socialists/Chomskiites/Communists-

Interchangable with many of the people above, Stalinists/Lenninists/Maoists/Chomskiites the world over see this as the one chance to end American (and Capitalist) domination, and begin the process of wealth redistribution and shared sacrifice (For everybody BUT them) to other nations.

MASSIVE Arab cash is being poored into these people. They are THE USEFUL IDIOTS of the entire process, and are far too stupid to see it...

The Moonbat Liberal Left-

While many of the moonbats could also fall into either category, many simply see this as a huge internet game of "Grand Theft Auto" where they can play the bad guy, with no fear of reprisal...


146 posted on 03/28/2007 11:38:36 PM PDT by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: Iris7
Right now I'm spending some time with a severely wounded Soldier. Your words are so true. I have no idea how to stop the Left's assault. Like you I'm disgusted. Worse yet, my Congressman's brother was the agent for Micheal Moore's F 9/11 which is now being used by our foreign enemies in their recruiting movies. Is there anything that we can do?
147 posted on 03/29/2007 8:48:43 PM PDT by Chgogal (Vote Al Qaeda. Vote Democrat.)
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To: jazusamo

Because they look funny.


148 posted on 03/29/2007 8:51:06 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Time to eradicated islambs and mooselimbs! GO PTSC)
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