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Liberals : why is the GOP still heading for '08 ?
Time Magazine ^ | 03 29 2007 | drzz

Posted on 03/29/2007 9:02:28 AM PDT by drzz

Why, in poll after poll, including the new TIME poll, does that advantage seem to disappear whenever voters are asked to pick a president in hypothetical head-to-head match-ups among front-runners with solid name recognition. In our poll, Hillary Clinton loses to John McCain, 42-48%, and to Rudy Giuliani 41-50%. Even though Clinton maintains a 7% edge over Obama among Democratic respondents, Obama fares better in the general election match-ups. It's so close that it's a statistical dead-heat, but Obama still loses: 43-45% to McCain, 44-45% to Giuliani.

It's hard to know exactly why respondents who are generally unhappy towards — and in many cases fed up with — the GOP might still prefer a Republican for president over a Democrat. Much of it has to do with the individual candidates involved. In Clinton's case, as TIME pollster Mark Schulman points out, "with Hillary the Democratic front-runner, most voters have made up their minds about her, both pro and con. She may have limited upward potential against Republicans. The emerging anti-Hillaries, Obama and Edwards, suffer from low awareness at this point."

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clinton; congress; elections; electionspresident; guliani; hilary; iran; iraq; mccain; romney; rudy
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To: ChiTownBearFan
...dont believe it, but its out there, ignore the fakeness all you want.

Translated: "fake or not, it's part of the record now." You forgot to add the Mua ha ha ha ha! at the end.

141 posted on 03/29/2007 11:58:57 AM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Tokra
You want a Republican to win, then don't sit out the election and allow Hitlery/Hussein to win the White House. Period.

I will never sit out an election, regardless of how putrid the choice of candidates is. However, I won't necessarily vote for someone just because they're Republican. My prediction is, if it's Rudy vs. Hillary, then the only way Rudy will squeak through is if a number of Democrats vote for him, which I think is entirely possible. A large part of the conservative base will not vote for Giuliani, regardless of who his opponent is. If you want the Republican to win solidly, then get a conservative Republican in the running. Don't put a liberal out front as the Republican candidate and then whine that not enough conservatives voted for him.
142 posted on 03/29/2007 12:59:19 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: ChiTownBearFan

Just say no to drugs.

You are wrong people do NOT like divided governemnt. People like conservative governemnt.

LEARN from Nov 2006. 100% of DINO's trumped all RINOS.

Rudy Guiliani is a LIBERAL LAWYER. PERIOD.

Left wing on the second amendment.
Left wing on marriage (personally and professionally)
and very Left in governemnt as a solution to all problems.


143 posted on 03/29/2007 1:14:15 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ChiTownBearFan

So switching cars makes a man "totally fake" but:

1) Opposing the flat tax years ago and then supporting it to gain an endorsement.

2) Opposing the partial birth abortion ban and then supporting it to look more pro-life.

makes a man completely trustworthy?

His wives couldn't trust him, he uses public funds on his numerous mistresses, he marches in parades with child molesters, and his radio spokesperson in California is a rabid leftist Dem. What's not to like?


144 posted on 03/29/2007 1:32:25 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Thompson/Watts in 2008!! Fear the Fred!! FreeRepublic is FRed country!!)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

I'm Fred over Rudy and Rudy over Hillary (GOD forbid).


145 posted on 03/29/2007 1:51:43 PM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: drzz
Liberals : why is the GOP still heading for '08 ?

Um, because that's the way time goes?

Because there's no way to head away from '08?

Because the GOP hasn't perfected the flux capacitor?

I give up . . . why?

(This has gotta be a trick question.)
146 posted on 03/29/2007 1:54:02 PM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: Xenalyte

LOL! Like any of us has a choice, other than death.


147 posted on 03/29/2007 1:59:59 PM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: drzz
According to InTrade the Donks are beating the Pubs by the odds 57%-42%, a substantial betting edge in favor of the Donks.

This is where real people put real money, not some cooked poll. So this what the bettors really think with their hard cash, not their mouths. It is usually correct, and is more reflective of actual voter sentiment than most polls.

They also have Hillary and Giuliani as the Party nominees.

148 posted on 03/29/2007 2:30:20 PM PDT by Gritty (Four years in and the fools in the streets multiply; tired of war, but full of themselves-Vanderleun)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Fred is more conservative...therefore is more electable.

I'm not sure that necessarily follows in this political environment.

149 posted on 03/29/2007 2:38:42 PM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: drzz

Some MSM reporters aren't too bright. This sounds like the one who wrote a cover story in the 90s about the amazing discovery that men and women are born different.


150 posted on 03/29/2007 3:01:13 PM PDT by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: karnage

I plan on either voting for Duncan Hunter for President if he's the nominee or writing his name in if he isn't. I will not suppowt ot vote for a liberal, RINO or CINO.


151 posted on 03/29/2007 3:26:06 PM PDT by afnamvet (It is what it is)
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To: ChiTownBearFan
That's it, changing vehicles? Wow, that's damning I'll grant you.

As for a single guy hanging out with women, that's pretty damning too. I guess I could never consider public office either. Although, on the bright side: at least he likes girls! Most refreshing these days.

And so what if he married a younger woman. I assume she's over 21, and its not like there's never been any May December marriages out there (men & women).

I don't consider any of that baggage.

Now about his tax reform, did Michelle ever get the facts on that? The fact he was talking about reform sounds pretty good, even though I don't know the details.

Or does that take second place to vehicle changes and dating women and finding one to marry.

152 posted on 03/29/2007 4:18:39 PM PDT by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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To: Petronski
I'd have to smoke Yoko Ono's weight in hashish to believe Rudy is "Reagan 2."

Wow, I'd have to take the Electric Koo-Aid Acid Test to make that comparison. ;-/

153 posted on 03/29/2007 4:30:27 PM PDT by AFreeBird (This space for rent. Inquire within)
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To: drzz

Because Rudy is the face that helped save NY during 9/11. That translates into strength, despite the ups and downs of war. Hillary translates into a woman who should have dumped her husband -- which would be the strong thing to do -- but didn't.


154 posted on 03/29/2007 9:55:25 PM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: drzz

Because your French!

Pray for W and Our Freedom Troops


155 posted on 03/29/2007 9:56:40 PM PDT by bray (Redeploy to Tehran)
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To: CommerceComet

Well, when you modify what I said and cut out very important parts, it doesn't help prove your point, now, does it?


156 posted on 03/30/2007 4:13:22 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Well, when you modify what I said and cut out very important parts, it doesn't help prove your point, now, does it?

People are free to go back and look at your original post and see that I didn't count out anything pertinent. I was focusing on your linkage between being more conservative and therefore more electable. I'm not convinced that is true in this environment. If I am contending on a point you didn't make, then I apologize.

Less baggage is probably a plus but we do have the example of billy jeff. In his case, scandals didn't have much effect. I'm not convinced that it is a terrible hindrance at all times. Those who think scandals will sink Rudy probably have it wrong. If Rudy fails (and that a decent possibility), it will be because of his liberal social policies, not his "colorful" personal life.

157 posted on 03/30/2007 8:46:09 AM PDT by CommerceComet
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To: CommerceComet

Your second paragraph is a fair analysis.


158 posted on 03/30/2007 8:49:11 AM PDT by Fierce Allegiance (There are 2 types of Rudy fans - the uninformed or anti-conservative TROLLS who do not belong on FR)
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