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Mercury in energy-saving bulbs worries scientists [Environmentalists are bad for the environment]
Washington Post ^ | March 28, 2007 | Lisa Von Ahn

Posted on 04/02/2007 7:28:27 PM PDT by grundle

Mercury is poisonous, but it's also a necessary part of most compact fluorescent bulbs

some scientists and environmentalists are worried that most are ending up in garbage dumps.

Mercury can also damage the kidneys and liver, and in sufficient quantities can cause death.

some of the mercury emitted from landfills is in the form of vaporous methyl-mercury, which can get into the food chain

"Disposal of any mercury-contaminated material in landfills is absolutely alarming to me," said Lindberg, emeritus fellow of the U.S. Department of Energy's Oak Ridge National Laboratory.

"I have CFLs throughout my house," said Lindberg, who lives in California. "None of them have burned out yet. I can't tell you what I'll do with them when they've burned out, but I won't throw them in the garbage."

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1 posted on 04/02/2007 7:28:28 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Whoops. A snake in Paradise.

Call the Prophet Algore to determine whether the mercury will destroy the ozone layer or the polar bears or other sentient life.


2 posted on 04/02/2007 7:32:11 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: grundle

I’ve been waiting for this to hit. Wait until there are billions of them out there and then say, “Uh, there’s mercury in those.” Duh! Of course there is! But “saving the planet” is so important, it’s OK to poison it?


3 posted on 04/02/2007 7:34:53 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: grundle; All

I wonder if compact florecents are an “algore eco-profit” scam.

IOW because there are no patent royalties to pay for light bulbs, you FORCE everyone to switch to the product that must have royalties paid.


4 posted on 04/02/2007 7:36:03 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: grundle

I’ll sell you some mercury offsets if you feel guilty about using these things.


5 posted on 04/02/2007 7:36:22 PM PDT by umgud (Anna Nicole was an expensive slut)
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To: grundle

I liked the thread maybe two weeks ago where a lady dropped a bulb and the state was ready to call its Hazmat team to come and charge her $2000 for “decontamination”.

The amount of deadly deadly mercury in one of those is about a pinhead, according to the earlier thread.


6 posted on 04/02/2007 7:37:25 PM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Right Wing Assault

Manufacturers of these bulbs will be attacked like the makers of polluting gasoline additives; a government edict, but no quarter given in court if it has hair.


7 posted on 04/02/2007 7:38:07 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Ole Okie
The real reason for global warming:

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THOSE PARTY ANIMALS .

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8 posted on 04/02/2007 7:39:23 PM PDT by kitkat (The first step down to hell is to deny the existence of evil.)
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To: grundle

Can’t we buy mercury offsets?


9 posted on 04/02/2007 7:39:45 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: grundle

A lot of lawyers got rich off asbestos. I’m sure they’re gonna line up for this one.


10 posted on 04/02/2007 7:40:18 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: grundle

No big deal to recycle them, if that is indicated. We recycle a whole lot of stuff here, and it’s just a question of putting it in bins and out to the curb.

There are also provisions for recycling in most of the local transfer stations or dumps.

Cardboard, plastic, glass, batteries, tires, and now light bulbs. No big deal.


11 posted on 04/02/2007 7:40:50 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: grundle
My PoliSci Professor is requiring us to attend a global warming lecture in a couple of weeks, I need to remember to post a thread and ask for questions to ask. I have the option not to attend, but I will have to write a 700 word paper on any bill that is being legislated on.

I think disrupting the enviro-wack jobs will be more fun. I'm thinking about standing at the door with a petition to ban dihydroxide (water). Pen & Teller did that at some enviro nut rally, told them it was in rain, it was used for nuclear energy, etc. I'm going to add that if we ban it the troops will have to leave Iraq.

12 posted on 04/02/2007 7:40:50 PM PDT by txroadkill
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To: grundle

Wal*Mart is doing us a big favor buy pushing these things at low low cost (3 for $7.50), but they need to man-up and provide a recycling drop for the used ones and, especially, there must be education.

The manufacturers need to place greater stress (a snazzy logo and slogan) on the need to treat them as eWaste to be carefully recycled.

But the lights are great. We’re ramping up their use all over the house.

Incandescents waste 90% of their power as heat. To me, that’s not logical.


13 posted on 04/02/2007 7:41:12 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Petronski
Incandescents waste 90% of their power as heat. To me, that’s not logical.

It is in the winter.

14 posted on 04/02/2007 7:44:44 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Ole Okie
Call the Prophet Algore to determine whether the mercury will destroy the ozone layer or the polar bears or other sentient life.

When you already are the Mad Hater you don't worry about becoming the Mad Hatter.

15 posted on 04/02/2007 7:45:20 PM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: grundle

If they hate it, tell them to build us white LED room lights.


16 posted on 04/02/2007 7:45:24 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: grundle
I can't tell you what I'll do with them when they've burned out, but I won't throw them in the garbage."

He lives in California. He could just throw them in the ocean if he wants to be environmentally sensitive and doesn't want them in a landfill.

17 posted on 04/02/2007 7:48:31 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: raybbr
It is in the winter.

Don't be so simple. Not even in winter is it logical if your heating fuel is cheaper than your electricity per unit of heat produced. And if those lamps are high in the room, or sealed in a fixture, you won't profit from the wasted heat anyway.

18 posted on 04/02/2007 7:48:54 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Wiz
If they hate it, tell them to build us white LED room lights.

Scientists are working feverishly on doing just that.

19 posted on 04/02/2007 7:49:46 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: Ole Okie

I believe these bulbs also contain cadmium?


20 posted on 04/02/2007 7:51:41 PM PDT by Loud Mime (?War?s very object is victory, not prolonged indecision." Gen Douglas Mac Arthur)
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To: Petronski
Don't be so simple. Not even in winter is it logical if your heating fuel is cheaper than your electricity per unit of heat produced. And if those lamps are high in the room, or sealed in a fixture, you won't profit from the wasted heat anyway.

So. Your usual sense of humor is visiting friends tonight?

21 posted on 04/02/2007 7:53:42 PM PDT by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Loud Mime

When I was a girl, my mother got her light bulbs from the power and light. About twice a year she took the old ones in and got replacements. Maybe that was a hold over of WWII rationing.


22 posted on 04/02/2007 8:00:25 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: grundle
some scientists and environmentalists are worried that most are ending up in garbage dumps.

No problem, say the environmentalists...

We already have people separating bottles for collection into a blue bin, we also separate newspapers into green bin, so we'll just have another bin with the poison sign on it for collection of those mercury bulbs. Problem solved.

Trash can still go into the regular garbage can.

Any other questions?
23 posted on 04/02/2007 8:02:27 PM PDT by adorno
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To: jiggyboy

*whew!*

Thanks for posting that.
I dropped and broke one in the upstairs bathroom a few weeks ago and was feeling a bit worried about going up there ever again.....:))


24 posted on 04/02/2007 8:03:37 PM PDT by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: Loud Mime

at least they don’t emit co2 (or do they?)


25 posted on 04/02/2007 8:03:43 PM PDT by stylin19a (If you are living on the edge...MOVE OVER ! Some of us are ready to jump !)
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To: Petronski

I have been wondering what was going to come of the mercury in the bulbs...which is why we dont use them, even in miniscule amounts mercury is poison. As a rule, we much prefer incandescent. The reason is the much nicer light, and lack of “frequency” as found in flourescent.


26 posted on 04/02/2007 8:07:29 PM PDT by intenseracer (ANWR: America Needs Working Roughnecks)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
Can’t we buy mercury offsets?

I've got some I'll sell you. I am selling them in 1/2 dozen lots. (Why shouldn't I get in on the scam?)

27 posted on 04/02/2007 8:08:48 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie
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To: Cicero
We recycle a whole lot of stuff here

Probably less than you think. A lot of what is put in the recycle bins ends up in the landfills anyway. It is too expensive to recycle most recyclables. Aluminum cans are worth recycling almost everywhere, newspapers may or may not be, depending on where you live (do they have you separate newsprint from coated paper?), #2 plastic probably is most places, glass may depend on the color.

28 posted on 04/02/2007 8:14:51 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Thanks, but I think I’ll buy mine at Wal-Mart.


29 posted on 04/02/2007 8:15:26 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Wiz
...tell them to build us white LED room lights.

The technology is there to do that--white LED flashlights are all the rage. The only problem is that LEDs don't like 110VAC too well.

30 posted on 04/02/2007 8:17:11 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Manufacturers of these bulbs will be attacked

Oh, yeah. Just like lead, asbestos, tobacco, and every chemical ever made.

"You knew all along this would kill and maim our women, children, and elderly. And our dogs and cats. But you didn't care! All you wanted were profits! Why didn't you warn us? How were we to know that fluorescent bulbs have had mercury in them for as long as they have existed? We are just stupid morons who know nothing about science, yet you took advantage of us just so you could line your pockets in the name of the environment. We thought we were saving the planet but we were killing our kids! You fooled us. We demand that our lawyers take you for every cent you ever made. We demand that the lawyers make a fortune suing you. We demand that this money be put in a trust fund to care for our maimed children. We don't really care, though, if this money is spent on them. You can waste it for anything you want, just like you did with the tobacco settlements."

31 posted on 04/02/2007 8:20:31 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Cicero
We recycle a whole lot of stuff here, and it’s just a question of putting it in bins and out to the curb.

Aw. That's cute. You believe that that stuff really gets recycled.

It's a feel smug program, like "carbon offsets"

32 posted on 04/02/2007 8:21:38 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Being a political pundit is so easy anyone can do it, And does)
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To: grundle
""Disposal of any mercury-contaminated material in landfills is absolutely alarming to me,""

Don't eat garbage and you won't get sick.

33 posted on 04/02/2007 8:22:03 PM PDT by theymakemesick (Under sharia law, bacon will be illegal in Americistan, reason enough to keep islam out of America)
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To: intenseracer
lack of “frequency” as found in flourescent

If you mean the flicker some people see in tube fluorescents, the CFLs don't do that. Their frequency is much higher and no one can sense it.

34 posted on 04/02/2007 8:28:29 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: Berosus; Cincinatus' Wife; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; Fedora; ..

Candles it is. As long as bees are not exploited, and sheep tallow isn’t used...


35 posted on 04/02/2007 8:45:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Monday, April 2, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: txroadkill

Here’s the Internet Skeptic’s guide to global warming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM1yuRVC2s0

Probably you can get lots of questions to ask from watching this.


36 posted on 04/02/2007 8:50:30 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (Linux: More of a cult then an OS. Mac: Beyond a Cult. A joyless Jihad.)
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To: grundle

I predict lots of mad tea parties in the future.


37 posted on 04/02/2007 8:53:14 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (Linux: More of a cult then an OS. Mac: Beyond a Cult. A joyless Jihad.)
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To: grundle
Environmentalists are bad for the environment

Does writing bumper stickers come naturally to you? Is this one copyrighted?

38 posted on 04/02/2007 9:00:01 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: Petronski

Look at yourself in the mirror with lighting from the two different types of bulbs and you will understand why incandescent bulbs are preferred.

If you are male, disregard the preceding.


39 posted on 04/02/2007 9:02:36 PM PDT by TheDon (The DemocRAT party is the party of TREASON! Overthrow the terrorist's congress!)
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To: grundle
Yet another case of enviro-whackos not thinking things through. They latch onto an idea and simply cannot see past the idealistic front-end benefits. They almost never consider the near-term costs, let alone long term.

I use CFL to save energy. But I'm also aware their disposal may be problematic. So when they eventually burn out, I'll just hold onto them until a workable solution is found. Thankfully they are small and shouldn't burn out for several years yet...

40 posted on 04/02/2007 9:04:35 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Petronski

Regular price at Home Depot is 4 for 7.97. I’ve picked up 8 packs for $10 on sale. I have been switching over slowly, but in the last couple of years they’ve become really cheap. I don’t do it for the environment, just want to cut my electric bill. Besides, these things last forever. I’ve got 2 bulbs in the garage that I paid $5 bucks apiece for 10 years ago and they’re still working fine. LOL


41 posted on 04/02/2007 9:18:39 PM PDT by fowb
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To: fowb

Alas, we have no Home Depot. I haven’t checked Lowes yet.


42 posted on 04/02/2007 9:20:20 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: TheDon; cyborg

I don’t mind looking at myself in the mirror under fluorescent light. I’m a winter.


43 posted on 04/02/2007 9:21:11 PM PDT by Petronski (FRED!)
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To: jiggyboy
I just looked it up. $2,000 to clean up one broken light bulb! Ha ha ha!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1802727/posts

44 posted on 04/02/2007 10:27:43 PM PDT by grundle
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To: Petronski

Check Wal-Mart, I see plenty of the newfangled bulbs there.


45 posted on 04/03/2007 2:42:54 AM PDT by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: grundle; SunkenCiv

It’s a Washington Post article. Should we even take it seriously?

A month ago, even my pastor was promoting them (”At my next sermon you’ll learn a great way to save money and energy!”), and I’m not in a church known for political or environmental activism.


46 posted on 04/03/2007 2:47:27 AM PDT by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: TheDon; Petronski

I do not even have a mirror in the bathroom right now. However, lighting for putting on makeup can easily be solved by getting a makeup mirror.


47 posted on 04/03/2007 7:10:47 AM PDT by cyborg (my baby is back!)
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To: Loud Mime

I believe these bulbs also contain cadmium?
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Oh, I love Cadmium’s candy eggs! Delicious.


48 posted on 04/03/2007 7:15:10 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Oztrich Boy

It depends where you live. I think the recycling in Maine and Vermont is real, or at least most of it.


49 posted on 04/03/2007 8:27:36 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: grundle

mine burn out all the time, I hate the damn things, I replaced my 22W CFL’s with 25W clear bulbs... 3 watt difference and no mercury...


50 posted on 04/03/2007 10:19:33 AM PDT by MD_Willington_1976
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