Posted on 04/04/2007 11:01:48 AM PDT by FairOpinion
The former mayor of New York leads Sen. John McCain by a 36 percent to 24 percent margin among the state's likely GOP primary voters, and is the choice of nearly four in 10 of those who say they are "strongly conservative."
"Voters are not picking up fully on his positions or tending to discount them because of overriding issues like terrorism and Iraq, " DiCamillo said of Giuliani.
Only one in five California Republicans say there is no chance they would vote for Giuliani, and he enjoys an 80 percent favorability rating.
But no matter which of the top GOP candidates gets the nod, they will have a fight on their hands in California come the November 2008 general election. In hypothetical general election match-ups, Sen. Hillary Clinton, Sen. Barack Obama and 2004 vice-presidential nominee John Edwards beat Giuliani and McCain.
Clinton gets 53 percent of the vote compared with Giuliani's 40 percent, and she beats McCain by a 48 percent to 43 percent margin. Obama gets 51 percent of the vote matched against both. Edwards receives 51 percent of the vote vs. Giuliani and 49 percent when pitted against McCain.
And those who are declined-to-state or belong to a party other than the Democrats or Republicans also support the Democrats.
"California remains a blue state," DiCamillo said.
(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...
1. Watch more and more conservatives supporting Giuliani.
2. These CA polls showing Hillary beating all Republicans, including Rudy in CA -- BUT Arnold won in CA -- the same way Giuliani has a chance. In toss up states Giuliani is close or even beating Hillary, so the Dems wouldn't be able to take some blue states for granted.
Rudy ping
((((RUDY PING))))
Which is why the founders wrote detetrmined that the powers of the president would be limited in all matters not relating to the defense of the country.
Now if we could just get the liberals to also understand that “Commander in Chief” is not the same as “Committee-in-Chief”
That is because ‘strongly conservatives’ hate McCain. Giuliani is marginally acceptable, but this support is weak.
This may be a long shot, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Mc Cain pull the plug on his campaign. If he does, look for Thompson to jump in (They are pretty tight buds).
I wonder how many whom identify themselves as "Strongly Conservative" are actually Conservative.
If California Republicans can support Giuliani, they should not consider themselves conservatives. Conservative or “moderate”, no Republican should seriously consider McCain as he is a nut job who uses his Senate seat as a way to push himself in front of TV cameras.
As a conservative, I could hold my nose and vote for Romney, but I am still praying for a real conservative to emerge who does not have baggage (baggage like Fred Thompson’s divorces).
McCain will never pull the plug and Thompson will jump in within the next month or so. McCain is actually the most likely to go third party. I don't see McCain giving up until the fat lady has sung three encores and has gone home.
Dear Fair,
Since I first voted in 1988 for George HW Bush, I have always voted the conservative line. Does that make me a conservative?
I feel that I am a conservative, but my friends say I’m a liberal because I am considering voting for Mayor Giuliani for president.
What’s your opinion?
Confused in New York.
The poll details you chose to highlight are nonsensical. The poll did not include the two main conservatives, Thompson and Gingrich. It only included McCain, Giuliani and Romney, and half of the respondents never heard of Romney. The real news is that when Thompson and Gingrich were added in, Giuliani’s massive lead all but disappeared.
About 1 in 6 conservative voters are enchanted with McCain’s “maverick” image. The rest are torn between two people who claim to be conservative, but governed very liberal places as liberals. Of these, the largest group side with Giuliani, a national hero, over unknown Mitt Romney. Many desperately with men who are genuinely conservative, but everyon figures is completely unelectable: Ginrich. Throw in Thompson, and a sizeable portion of Giuliani voters switch to him.
If Thompson runs, he’ll be able to correct his bio: He isn’t “just an actor,” and he was more than “just an actor” when he was elected to the US Senate for eight years. He’s a brilliant anti-corruption prosecuting attorney who brought down a sitting Democratic governor on corruption charges, and who helped the Republican party salvage credibility in Watergate by constructing tough, effective, and fair questions.
Hard to believe they could find ten Californians that identify themselves as "strongly conservative". Maybe the real number was 2 of 5.
Strongly conservative in CA = RINO everywhere else.
How’s he doing in the fundraising department?
Ouch, a bad day for typos:
The poll details you chose to highlight are nonsensical. The poll did not include the two main conservatives, Thompson and Gingrich. It only included McCain, Giuliani and Romney, and half of the respondents never heard of Romney. The real news is that when Thompson and Gingrich were added in, Giuliani’s massive lead all but disappeared.
About 1 in 6 conservative voters are enchanted with McCain’s “maverick” image. The rest are torn between two people who claim to be conservative, but governed very liberal places as liberals. Of these, the largest group side with Giuliani, a national hero, over unknown Mitt Romney. Many desperately SIDE with a MAN who are genuinely conservative, but everyone figures is completely unelectable: GINGRICH. Throw in Thompson, and a sizeable portion of Giuliani voters switch to him.
If Thompson runs, he’ll be able to correct his bio: He isn’t “just an actor,” and he was more than “just an actor” when he was elected to the US Senate for eight years. He’s a brilliant anti-corruption prosecuting attorney who brought down a sitting Democratic governor on corruption charges, and who helped the Republican party salvage credibility in Watergate by constructing tough, effective, and fair questions.
Interesting that McCain does much better than the more liberal Giuliani vs. Clinton.
Very wise post.
They’re not: the poll didn’t include any conservative options.
Thompson, Romney, Hunter....all are more preferable to conservatives than Giuliani, and McCain has spent so much effort dissing his fellow pubbies, that he may be irredeemable.
Fred Thompson has had just one divorce that I am aware of, and it was years before he was remarried. Do you have a link that you canpoint me to?
Your principles, and your adherence to those principles, make you conservative (or liberal).
One's voting history can be negative but not necessarily positive evidence of one's ideology.
Hagel is going to pull the third party stunt. You may be right about Mc Cain hanging in there. That’s why I called it a “long shot”, but there are a few things out there that could impact that. Melanoma, money, age and reality that he can’t get the nomination.
“Which is why the founders wrote detetrmined that the powers of the president would be limited in all matters not relating to the defense of the country.”
That of course includes Pastor in Chief, right?
He was also Bush's point man in getting John Roberts through the Senate. Nobody predicted that Roberts would get 80% approval from the Senate, it was Thompson that got it done. The man is very persuasive and a first-order communicator, and that's critical. I hope Hillary gets the Dem nomination because I'd love to see her low-grade communication skills contrasted with Fred. That will be fun.
You are conservative, like many Rudy supporters. You are pragmatic however and will do all in your power to deny Hillary her seat in the OO.
“I feel that I am a conservative, but my friends say I’m a liberal because I am considering voting for Mayor Giuliani for president.
What’s your opinion?
Confused in New York.”
YOU aren’t confused. Your friends are. :)
He had one divorce and was not a jerk about it (unlike Giuliani informing his wife via press conference).
Giuliani is tough, but he's also impulsive and petty. Not appealing.
So, how are strong conservatives doing in MI these days, R?
Out of the top 3 currently running candidates, we have a Janus, a flip-flopper, and a crazed volcano. It shouldn't be a surprise that one of these stellar choices garners 40% of those of even our idealogical bent.
This 40% for Rudy poll (out of the top 3 contenders) took place on Free Freaking Republic not too long ago!
Me thinks you owe CA Conservatives an apology....
Is this speculation, or do you know something more? If he goes 3rd party he'll get very little support, and half of it will come from Democrat voters who think Hillary is not extreme enough on the war. Hagel has raised no money, and doesn't have a clue how to raise money. He's a non-factor.
I think freedom and liberty is the exact opposite of that.
Check out your latest edition of Time Magazine. Writer of article about Hagel is a real Lib. who is convinced Hagel will run, but as an Independent because he knows he couldn’t get 1% of the GOP vote.
....10....9....8...7....6....5...4...3...waiting for the Rudy bashers.....
"Strongly conservative" in La La Land means opposing abortion in cases where the guy's loaded and a baby comes in handy to blackmail him and his wife.
"Strongly conservative" in La La Land means registering all weaponry, including sushi knives.
"Strongly conservative" in La La Land means gay marriages are announced, but only in the LA Times.
“more and more conservatives supporting Giuliani” They are not conservatives, they are RINOs and liberals
Just keep voting for the most conservative candidate on the ticket.
Hint: It ain't Hillary.
In that event, paleoChuckie will help divide the antiAmerican antiwar vote, shaving perhaps 1/2% off the Demonrats’ normal base. More if America is lucky!
Preaching has nothing to do with stopping rape, murder or theft, even though all three are prohibited by religion. Is theft a freedom or liberty? Is rape a freedom or liberty? Why not?
OK, auto power, ya’ got it. Before I would vote for Rooty I’d vote for a yella’ dog and then shoot the dog.
well now...see???? You didn’t take long to bash Rudy....
Oh, 14 or so : )
I just didn’t want to disappoint you.
The supreme court is where you should direct your anger, not the president - he can do very little to stop the wholesale slaughter of generations of our children...just for the sake of convenience for the mom or the dad.
While America is a largely a Christian nation, the First Amendment tells the feds they cannot respect the establishment of a religion.
The government is not my church...I believe the liberals think of government in that way. Conservatives should not.
Strongly conservatives hate them both. In case you were wondering. Neither is marginally acceptable.
The links don’t work. Was this a Field poll, or some other company’s poll?
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