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CA: Immigration groups say anger over Bush plan to fuel rally in LA (No pleasing illegals Alert!)
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 4/7/07 | Peter Prengaman

Posted on 04/07/2007 9:47:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Organizers expect several thousand people at an immigrant rights rally on Saturday, saying many illegal immigrants are angry about a White House plan that would grant them work visas but require them to return home and pay hefty fines to become legal U.S. residents.

Immigrant rights advocates say many of the area's illegal immigrants feel betrayed by President Bush, who they had long considered an ally.

"People are really upset," said Juan Jose Gutierrez, president of Los Angeles-based Latino Movement USA, one of several organizers of Saturday's rally. "For years, the president spoke in no uncertain terms about supporting immigration reform ... then this kind of plan comes out and people are so frustrated."

The White House's draft plan, leaked last week, calls for a new "Z" visa that would allow illegal immigrant workers to apply for three-year work permits. They would be renewable indefinitely, but would cost $3,500 each time.

To get a permit and become legal permanent residents, illegal immigrants would have to return to their home country, apply at a U.S. embassy or consulate to re-enter legally and pay a $10,000 fine.

The proposal has been sharply criticized by Hispanic advocacy groups, Democrats, the Roman Catholic Church and unions that have many immigrants in their ranks. They argue the cost of work permits and the green card application - which could total more than $20,000 - are prohibitive for low-wage earners.

The plan is far more conservative than the one passed by the Senate last year with bipartisan backing and support from President Bush. That plan would have allowed many of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to stay in the United States, work and apply to become legal residents after learning English, pay small fines and back taxes and clear a background check.

Many Senate conservatives opposed that plan, and it failed to gain traction in the then Republican-controlled House, which at the end of 2005 passed the punitive immigration reform bill that angered immigrant communities and led to massive protests.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; builditnow; california; fence; illegals; immigration; invasionusa; losangeles; rally; wall; zvisa

1 posted on 04/07/2007 9:47:40 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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The “invaders” are never satisfied.

Why even try? Just round ‘em up and deport their butts.


2 posted on 04/07/2007 9:48:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: NormsRevenge

A country has a immigration policy and quotas in order to ensure that the best of the applicants are chosen for limited slots. The illegals would have anyone who circumvents that system, including felonious criminals, qualify for legal status just because they have successfully broken the immigration law for a period of time. It is counterintuitive to believe that someone who has already shown disregard for our country’s laws would make a good citizen or legal immigrant.


3 posted on 04/07/2007 9:54:42 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: NormsRevenge
...saying many illegal immigrants are angry about a White House plan...

Well isn't that just too freakin bad. If they are so unhappy they should just go back home and be happy.
4 posted on 04/07/2007 9:55:48 AM PDT by YellowRoseofTx
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To: NormsRevenge
MS-13 Gang Members say, "Just put that $3,500 on my new Bank of American credit card Homie."


5 posted on 04/07/2007 9:56:12 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: marsh2
A country has a immigration policy and quotas in order to ensure that the best of the applicants are chosen for limited slots. The illegals would have anyone who circumvents that system, including felonious criminals, qualify for legal status just because they have successfully broken the immigration law for a period of time. It is counterintuitive to believe that someone who has already shown disregard for our country’s laws would make a good citizen or legal immigrant.

Bears repeating!

6 posted on 04/07/2007 9:56:58 AM PDT by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: TexasCajun

I’m sure these animals benefit the country.


7 posted on 04/07/2007 10:00:30 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: NormsRevenge
“Immigrant rights advocates say many of the area’s illegal immigrants feel betrayed by President Bush, who they had long considered an ally.”

The immigrants feel betrayed by Bush, what about us?

8 posted on 04/07/2007 10:16:32 AM PDT by Anomoly99 (Anomoly (sp) - Sorry, A product of Public Schools)
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To: NormsRevenge
The proposal has been sharply criticized by Hispanic advocacy groups, Democrats, the Roman Catholic Church and unions that have many immigrants in their ranks. They argue the cost of work permits and the green card application - which could total more than $20,000 - are prohibitive for low-wage earners.

Uh, precisely?

9 posted on 04/07/2007 10:18:07 AM PDT by upchuck (A living, breathing example of the Peter Principle. Oh, forgetful, too :)
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To: NormsRevenge

No kidding. I am beyond fed-up with the illegals and their anti-American diatribes. Boot their sorry asses out NOW!


10 posted on 04/07/2007 10:30:59 AM PDT by ought-six ("Give me liberty, or give me death!")
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To: NormsRevenge

So much for the Rove-Bush strategy of how to win the love, affection, and votes of the Hispanic illegal alien bloc.

Somebody here tell me again why you consider Rove a genius?


11 posted on 04/07/2007 10:32:22 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: NormsRevenge

Enforce the Mexican Repatriation Act!


12 posted on 04/07/2007 10:35:47 AM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: oldbill

Great statement. Echoed at www.caseykey.com


13 posted on 04/07/2007 10:38:31 AM PDT by Sam Ketcham (Amnesty means vote dilution, & increased taxes to bring us down to the world poverty level.)
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To: NormsRevenge

If they can pay a coyote $6,000, they ought to be able to save up $20,000 to pay their fines and fees. Of course, it would mean cutting down on their booze....


14 posted on 04/07/2007 10:46:23 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: NormsRevenge

Of course these illegals are mad. They will settle for nothing less than a blanket amnesty and dual citizenship which will qualify them for every social program the US government has to offer.


15 posted on 04/07/2007 10:48:09 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: NormsRevenge

Send the paddy wagons and round em up like cattle.
Contemptuous lawbreakers.


16 posted on 04/07/2007 10:49:19 AM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush)
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To: NormsRevenge
I say if apprehended then any illegal alien will be deported to their native country and all possessions in the USA seized and sold to cover the cost of them being here. Namely the cost of health care, welfare and the crime the seems surround them.
17 posted on 04/07/2007 10:55:48 AM PDT by SledgeCS (A pacifist destroys his weapons and welcomes a non-pacifist into his home - to destroy it.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Those ingrates will only be happy if granted immediate citizenship and all but meicans are eliminated from the Southwest, for starters.

In the long run they want every white sent back to Europe and eliminated from the US.

We need to enforce the esisting laws against them and their employers dishing out the maximum penalties allowed by current law.


18 posted on 04/07/2007 10:59:16 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: NormsRevenge

I they are mad, let them take their ball and go home.


19 posted on 04/07/2007 11:01:37 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (La la la)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gee, maybe We’ve been wrong about the Gov’s inability to reign in illegal immigration? Maybe they’re doing the best they can? Maybe these sweet people do deserve amnesty?

MAYBE BUT, I DON’T THINK SO!!!!


20 posted on 04/07/2007 11:47:07 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Semi-Conservatism Won't Cut It)
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To: NormsRevenge

YAWN.....they demonstrate when it is their turn to pay for the billions we pay in taxes for illgeal alien health care, education, welfare....Check out the Valley Press of Antelope Valley article of April 5, 2007 on how much Los Angeles is PAYING for these invaders who do the work than Americans will not do....these family valued “visitors” among us...


21 posted on 04/07/2007 11:49:48 AM PDT by Sovernity (What are You doing other than talking and listening???)
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To: Sovernity

This one? Thanks!

http://www.avpress.com/n/05/0405_s3.hts

Cost of illegals: $420 million in government aid

Excerpted

LOS ANGELES - Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich.

The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants’ children amount to approximately 24% of the county’s combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget, officials said.

“What we found was kind of astonishing,” said Tony Bell, an Antonovich aide.

Each month, the county doles out $77 million in CalWORKS assistance, $20 million of which goes to the citizen dependent children of illegal immigrants, said Helen Berberian, another Antonovich aide. CalWORKS is the state’s welfare-to-work program.

Along with CalWORKS assistance, the county approves $70 million every month in food stamps, with $15 million going to legal children of illegal immigrants, Berberian said.

The welfare payments go to nearly 100,000 children of 60,000 illegal immigrants, Antonovich’s staff said. His staff estimated that Los Angeles County has almost 12% of the United States’ illegal immigrant population.

The welfare payments are just a portion of the impact from illegal immigrants and their children, Antonovich said.

“Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers,” Antonovich said in a statement. “When the nearly one-half billion dollars spent on health care is added to the costs of public safety and health care, this brings the total cost to nearly $1 billion a year. This does not include the skyrocketing cost of education.”

According to Antonovich’s office, illegal immigrants annually cost the county $360 million in health care and $220 million in incarceration costs.


22 posted on 04/07/2007 11:53:30 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... BumP'n'Run 'Right-Wing Extremist' since 2001 ... My profile is on FiRe!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Would appear that appeasement doesn't work as a strategy pretty much anywhere.

Iran, Mexico...doesn't matter. The criminals always want more.

23 posted on 04/07/2007 11:56:55 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: NormsRevenge
Does anyone in the GOP see the lose-lose inherent in lax enforcement?

We'll never be able to "give" enough to the open borders crowd to satisfy them. But we also lose the support of the pro-enforcement Americans--not only do we lose them, but this admin goes out of their way to openly insult the enforcement side.

I suspect that one of the Dem candis will come out for enforcement of our borders (with perfect insincerity) because he'll (she'll) he free to "move right"--whereas our side cannot move right. Pro-enforcement can be made to sound pro-underclass because of the wage depression and the exploitative nature of Whitey hiring an illegal at shamefully low wages. It just remains to be seen how the Dems can play it, and how smart Rahm really is.

24 posted on 04/07/2007 12:02:00 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: NormsRevenge

The only thing thats going to keep these barbarians, blackguards, riffraffs and other human debris from crossing the border is for the state to issue permits for a new kind of ‘game hunting’. Even then it will cut it down at best.


25 posted on 04/07/2007 1:39:09 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball (N. Leroy McPherson 2008)
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To: HarmlessLovableFuzzball

Decline & Fall of the Roman (USA)Empire!

That’s what will happen to the USA unless politicians do the RIGHT THING enforce existing immigration laws FIRST get reelected LAST. The cultural time bomb clock is clicking

There only so many construction, lawn care, & fast food jobs.
When there gone its more TIME to do the CRIME!

Mason Dixon


26 posted on 04/07/2007 7:37:01 PM PDT by mason-dixon
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To: TexasCajun

MS-13 Gang Members say, “Just put that $3,500 on my new Bank of American credit card Homie.””

What a totally ugly bunch of homosapiens.....

They don’t look as tho they got much past the first caves, do they? The Geico caveman looks totally eucated and civilized by comparison.


27 posted on 04/07/2007 7:43:12 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: NormsRevenge

Duh do I care?

Nooooooooooooooooo


28 posted on 04/07/2007 8:10:44 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: TexasCajun

Hmmmm just your regular sweet All-American boy-next-door

The kind you want your daughter to bring home.......


29 posted on 04/07/2007 8:13:10 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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