Skip to comments.A Debate for the Millennia: Did Jesus Rise From the Dead?[Washington Post article]
Posted on 04/09/2007 4:01:07 PM PDT by freedomdefender
Where you stand on the Resurrection tends to mirror how you interpret the Bible, said Stephen T. Davis, a professor of philosophy at California's Claremont McKenna College. Davis believes in the bodily resurrection, though he acknowledges some seemingly contradictory New Testament accounts.
"Some are easy and some I don't know how to reconcile," said Davis, a minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA). "They were different stories that got talked about and talked about, so its not surprising there would have been some discrepancies. But there's tremendous agreement on the basic facts."
Any discrepancies can be "eliminated by a straight-up reading of the text," said James Emery White, president of the Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, a evangelical school in South Hamilton, Mass. "There's no sense that any of the earliest followers had the remotest sense that this was metaphorical."
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. . . it's as predictable as the swallows coming back to Capistrano, or the rednecks to Panama City . . .
( . . . keep yore cat-hats on, boys, I am a proud descendant of Alabama rednecks myself . . . )
“Did Jesus rise from the dead?”
I always say “You say redneck like it’s a bad thing.”
While walking on Easter morning, I looked up and there was a perfect halo in the sky overhead, never had I seen anything like it. Yes, he did.
Why would anyone at all go to the Washington Post to learn anything about Jesus??????
“Did Jesus rise from the dead?
About half the stuff in Foxworthy’s books has direct application to somebody in my family.
“To say Jesus’s bodily resurrection is a metaphor “is to lose the reality of God in the world,” Molnar said.”
And THAT is their obvious intent.
"Now, there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works-a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was (the) Christ; (64) and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day."
It’s become as much an Easter tradition as the Easter Bunny. Every year they come up with a new twist. We found Jesus’ casket. We found a new scroll that says Jesus had 15 kids. We found Mary’s diaphram.
For John Spong to assert the ressurection as metaphor when the gospels are clearly historical narrative reveals a breathtaking depth of cognitive dissonance. In other words, he’s a God hating loon.
And the Washington Post is a venue in which one would trust either the motives behind the report or the content of a report on the subject of the resurrection????? I don’t think so.
Wow — saw the same thing on Easter afternoon where we are.
Let them think anything they want. In the end, “every knee will bow.”
The debate for this millenia is over global warming and (A) whether Man is the CAUSE of global warming and (B) whether Man can do anything to alter future climate.
It may be made irrelevant by the OTHER debate for this millenia and that is whether muslims will see the error of their ways and cease centuries of global conquest in the name of Islam. Why not prove that Mohammed was not risen into the Heavens on a horse? Kill. that sacred cow.
Ahhhhh...the Redneck Riviera — my childhood stomping grounds!
Surprisingly fair article, given the source and the topic.
The fact that we are discussing it right now proves that he is alive.
Heaven and Earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. Mt 24:35
Truth is not determined by a majority vote. — Pope Benedict XVI.
It’s either true or it’s not. If it is true, which I personally have no doubts about, it is glorious. If it isn’t true, shame on us.
But debate, one way or another won’t change reality. Scholars pouring over texts with preconceived notions won’t change reality. Desire won’t change reality.
Reality is: a tomb was empty where no one expected it to be (and no ancient source records dispute on this fact.)
Reality is: a group of disheartened, frightened men went from cowering in a room in Jerusalem to stalwart proclaimers of a faith that lit a fire that went around the world. Moreover, they were willing and did give their lives for this.
Reality is: Something happened.
For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. For when he received honor and glory from God the Father and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” we heard this voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain. 2 Peter 1:15-18
or a lot of self delusion.
You have to decide, but debate won’t change the reality.
Did Jesus rise from the dead?
Is he coming back?
Yes, and this time to rule as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
That is a fact, take it from an ex-pastor. The Church is full of roaches masquerading as Christians. Remember, Rome fell from within...
He is risen!
He is risen indeed!
You see, our job is to change their minds. :p
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8And last of all he was seen of me(Paul) also, as of one born out of due time.
Naw...It’s a big neo-con / Karl Rove scam to trick the Godbags into supporting Bushitler Rethuglican policies.
Hey...I’m starting to get the hang of these reflexive hare-brained lefty talking points.
One word: FAITH
In 33 AD, the last thing the Romans as well as the Sanhedrin wanted was for Jesus’ body to disappear, because they knew it would rock their world if it did by further empowering the Christians. That’s why the Romans placed guards at Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, who had asked for and received permission for Jesus to be entombed there.
So it’s a given that when His body turned up missing, there would’ve been an all-out search for it, leaving no stone unturned until it was found, but of course it never was.
Another question has to do with the stone that closed the tomb: There were Roman guards there all night, and any human trying to open the tomb would’ve made enough noise to alert them, so how was that thing moved?
Can rags like The Washington Post rise from the dead?
My father would reply: “Does a bear sh** in the woods?”
Wouldn’t some just love to be able to say no. The world hates Him.
Jesus had brothers
Mary Magdalene was Jesus wife
Jesus did not rise on the third day or at all
The Ark of the Covenant is in Ethiopia somewhere
And on and on, just in time for Easter
Seems a conspiracy to challenge everything I believe.
Hasn't worked yet. Not likely to...
John Dominic Crossan, a Roman Catholic and a former professor at DePaul University, said the Resurrection is best understood as a metaphor, a belief that puts him at odds with his own church.
Saying the Resurrection "is a metaphor doesn't dismiss it," Crossan said. "I get the message, I get the challenge from the metaphor."
I must disagree with the good professor here. Saying the Resurrection is a metaphor does dismiss it. For if it is just a metaphorif Jesus never arose from the deadthen He is dead and we are all as good as dead ourselves. Hence, Crossan's "message" is that the Gospels lie and that nothing is real but the reality of the grave.
Fortunately for all of us, the Resurrection is not merely a metaphor, but an event that truly happened.
A quote worthy of publicizing.
Very funny. Thanks
If there was a book about “global warming” from 0ne AD.....they would believe it.....but, they won’t believe The Bible......hhmmmmmm
I thought we had that one worked out already, after 2000 years. I wonder how these people did on their SATs. “Why seek ye the living among the dead? He is not here, but he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.”. Basic reading comprehension, you know.
Yes. Any other obvious answers needed?
It's not wise to quote Josephus in this regard. Almost all scholars consider the passage you quote to be a fraudulent insertion into the original text, (Google =Josephus jesus= and hunt around.) which could raise the question why someone thought fraud was nevessary.
Is this one of those “duuuuhhhh” questions?
Yes, and He saved my life.
Also, putting guards in front of a tomb was highly unusual, as this was a highly unusual circumstance. The guards were guarding the tomb and the body with their very lives. If they were attacked, they would have been expected to fight to the death. Because if they didn't, if someone stole the body, or got into the tomb, the guards would have been killed anyway.
Next, the tomb was sealed. Meaning there was a seal of Caesar administered by Pilate put upon the stone. Anyone violating that seal would have been put to death. Its highly unlikely that the distraught Apostles would have dared to face that for something they believed in, was to them, over. The Apostles were not looking for Jesus after the crucifixion, until the women told them Jesus had risen, and then they thought the women were delusional.
Next, the stone itself was a massive boulder, rolled down an embankment, into position. The only way to roll the stone away was uphill. Imagine how much a boulder 4'-6' round must weigh. A couple thousand pounds?
For the professor to postulate that the resurrection is a metaphor, proves he has an ulterior motive, as he blatantly disregards facts from his theory.
Next, he disregards every piece of eye witness accounting reported from the time. How do you disregard hundreds of eyewitness accounting? Were there any official documentations to refute the eye witness accounts? And if so, what were they based upon.
Lastly the Apostles, almost all, were martyred for not just their beliefs, but what they were teaching. Peter himself did not feel worthy of dieing the same way as Christ. So they crucified him upside down. Pretty extreme death for a metaphor.
For what the Gospel teaches, for someone to call the resurrection a metaphor, is someone who doesn't have the chutzpah to come right out and say the Bible is an outright lie. Or else the person doesn't have the mental intellect to understand what they are actually saying.
Either the Bible is absolute truth, or it is a complete lie. There is no middle ground.
If you see it in SF and feel it in your heart, well there’s your answer.
Spong is simply following modernist Bible scholarship, which has it that the Gospels are late compositions. The consensus among them is that except for Mark they were all composed after about 80 A.D. But that requires that we disregard all allusion to the destruction of the Temple as after the fact. I don’t see why we should.
Now that’s a truly beautiful answer to the question.
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