Dems' Nightmare. Rudy & 9/11 Will Beat All

New York Post ^ | April 8, 2007 | DAN GERSTEIN

[FairOpinion]

Of course, Giuliani's had a rough week or two; even if he's still the front-runner, he's hardly a sure thing for the nomination. He raised an impressive $10 million in March alone, but keep in mind that his high standing in the polls has a lot to do with the relative weakness of the current field, which could change.

That said, I suspect the "Rudy can't win" mantra is being driven as much by Democratic fear and loathing - of both conservatives and Giuliani himself - as by Republican politics and performance.

As Deborah Hart Stroberand Gerald Strober's "Flawed or Flawless" amply documents through dozens of interviews with friends and foes alike, liberals widely despise Giuliani. Not just because they see him as a racially insensitive, rights-suppressing bully, but because he succeeded in this big blue city largely because of his hard-charging style, not despite it.

To these liberals, Giuliani winning the GOP nomination is doubly scary: He threatens their worldview - and, worse, as a socially tolerant 9/11 hero, he's probably the biggest threat to beat the Democratic nominee. So when they say he can't win, part of what they're really saying is they don't want him to win.

[dforest]

I believe that the tactic is that if you peat and repeat the mantra over and over, people will come around.

They forget they are preaching to conservatives, not the average Democrat voter.

It just goes on...and on, over and over...

Geesh, they have made me solid in the fact I won’t vote for Rudy. LOL!

[ASA Vet]

The 9.8% of FR RinoRudyBots make more noise than their numbers warrant.

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Exactly how many lives did Rootie save on 9/11?

No leadership.

After the first WTC attack in 1993, there was absolutely no evacuation plan for those buildings.

(There are indeed ways to get people out of very tall structures. I'll keep you guessing for now, so when the whiners come here I can blow them away with how very simple it would have been...)

People were told to stay in the second tower after the first one was hit.

The primary emergency response protocol was not followed: Isolate and deny entry. (I have extensive experience in emergency response and incident command.)

A lot of people died that day in New York because there was no "leadership."

[deaconjim]

When I was active in the GaGOP, I can remember voting to pass a resolution reminding Rudy that, if he was going to call himself a Republican, he needed to learn how to act like one. He failed to listen to that advice, and I won’t give him the benefit of my vote.

If the GOP can’t field better candidates than Rudy, then they won’t have the benefit of my vote either.

[IrishRainy]

Abortion in America is NOT going away, sad to say. In order to GET those one or two SC justices, they have to be approved by a Democratic congress. Ain’t gonna happen any time soon, so that argument is simply not valid.

[angkor]

It certainly has brought out rudeness, if nothing else.

The viciousness of some in FR's anti-Rudy crowd is downright feral.

[dforest]

They could, they just don’t. They have picked their horse, and that is who gets the media and support from the top.

Lets hope we can get him out in the primaries. We have the right to vote, I will vote, but it won’t be for a Democrat or Rudy. No one is entitled to our vote, especially if they are not representative of our beliefs.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

a fiscal conservative

Commuter tax? Big, big spending in the last years of his mayoral term?

already said he will appoint judges like Scalia and Alito

He thinks abortion is a constitutional right that deserves to be taxpayer-funded for poor women, yet he has no problem infringing upon people's 2nd Amendment rights.

And you trust him to appoint strict constructionists?

[deaconjim]

Abortion in America is NOT going away, sad to say. In order to GET those one or two SC justices, they have to be approved by a Democratic congress. Ain’t gonna happen any time soon, so that argument is simply not valid..

I never thought I would see the fall of the Soviet Union either, but it happened. If abortion continues to be legal, it won't do so with my help.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

but I want someone who can WIN. I dont single out someone over 1 issue.

Gun control.

Illegal immigration.

Abortion (paid for by taxpayers!).

Homosexual 'rights'.

Among others.

It's more than just one issue. Far, far more.

[wolfcreek]

Rudy vs Hillery = lowest turnout in history.

The conservatives don’t want Rudy and Hillery has high disapproval numbers from the Dims.

[angkor]

Millions of conservatives will simply stay home.

Those types have no business registering as Republicans. They as more fraudulent than they claim Giuliani to be.

[angkor]

Speaking as a conservative Republican, I'd rather win with Rudy than lose with a conservative Republican.

I'll second that.

[narses]

"Rudy is what is known as a moderate Republican."

No, he is known as a LIBERAL - a RINO.

I’m pro-choice. I’m pro-gay rights, Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded. Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999 http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES (November 14, 2006)

RUDY GIULIANI (R), FORMER MAYOR OF NEW YORK CITY: I'm pro- choice. I'm pro-gay rights.

KING: Giuliani supports a woman's right to an abortion, and back in 1999, he opposed a federal ban on late-term abortions.

GIULIANI: No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing.

KING: Immigration could be another presidential landmine. Back in 1996, Mayor Giuliani went to federal court to challenge new federal laws requiring the city to inform the federal government about illegal immigrants.

JEFFREY: He took the side of illegal immigrants in New York City against the Republican Congress.

KING: Giuliani opposes same-sex marriage but as mayor, he supported civil unions and extending health and other benefits to gay couples. He also supported the assault weapons ban and other gun control measures opposed by the National Rifle Association.

GIULIANI: I'm in favor of gun control. I'm pro-choice.

Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY

Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform.


http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200503010743.asp

[narses]

[dforest]

Those types have no business registering as Republicans. They as more fraudulent than they claim Giuliani to be.

Many are already registered Republicans and have been much of their life.

Republicans don't get my vote when they put up a Democrat. That isn't fraudulent. It is a fact for many.

What is a fraud, is someone who votes without paying any attention to the person they vote for.

[Steel Wolf]

I do not agree that (most) liberals despise Rudy.

You don't have to agree, but that's the case. My girlfriend is from NYC, and it's amazing the disdain that the local liberals hold Guiliani in, while simulaneously enjoying the safer streets and good economy. NYC liberals hate Rudy with a passion that easily beats out the Rudy-hate on FR.

[Ultra Sonic 007]

The liberal hate for Rudy is quite simple.

He brought down crime. He cut taxes at the beginning of his mayoral term. He supports Bush in the War on Terror. And most of all, he’s a Republican.

No matter how ideologically similar he is to the rest of the liberals, that already makes him EVIL in their eyes.

[angkor]

he will split the party and lead to a rat win.

The evangelicals (aka "self-professed one and only true conservatives") are already at the stage of taking their ball and walking away. Their stance is well-documented here on FR.

I'm not even a Rudy supporter, per se (maybe 3rd or 4th choice), but having lived through the "true conservatives'" most recent electoral debacle and bad choices, I have no faith in their faith as a measure of American political leadership.

I mean Zero.

So pick up the ball and walk. You are not Republicans.

[Steel Wolf]

The liberal hate for Rudy is quite simple.He brought down crime. He cut taxes at the beginning of his mayoral term. He supports Bush in the War on Terror. And most of all, he’s a Republican.

No matter how ideologically similar he is to the rest of the liberals, that already makes him EVIL in their eyes.

In a clever bit of irony, NYC liberals and FR are united on this issue. In a futher twist, what neither of those sides seems to grasp is that the fact both of these political extreme hate him is a very, very attractive quality to the average American voter.

Why would they think that? Simple. Bona fide hard core liberals and bona fide hard core conservatives are a turn off to most voters, so anyone who is hated by both can't be all bad. Rudy's (and McCain's) popularity in the polls shows just how deep that sentiment runs.