Skip to comments.The Greening of Gingrich (Newt joins the ecotard chorus)
Posted on 04/10/2007 1:19:25 PM PDT by xjcsa
In a heavily hyped debate one that environmentalist Democrats hoped would be a smack down on Republicans -- former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich disappointed them and conservatives alike when he declared that human activity was causing the Earth to warm.
The concession was made in a debate on global warming with Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.) today on Capitol Hill that was sponsored by the Brookings Institution and the RAND Corporation.
In his first portion of allotted time Gingrich said there were two undisputed areas of scientific consensus on global warming: that the earth is getting hotter and the warming had been caused by human activity.
At one point, Kerry asked Gingrich what he would say to conservatives like Sen. James Inhofe (R.-Okla.) who do not believe global warming is caused by human activity. Gingrich said, "The evidence is sufficient that we should move to the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon."
We should be moving to develop all kinds of new green technology, Gingrich said. He challenged Kerry to find market-based solutions to reduce carbon emission instead of increasing environmental regulations.
Regulation and litigation are the least effective ways of getting solutions, the former Speaker said. Reshaping markets with incentives are the fastest way.
Kerry argued that environment laws drafted with help from the United Nations have been successful.
Kerry said the laws were needed to create the leverage and the market so they would go out and invest in the technology because they dont invest without it. Government regulation, he said is the only way to invite people to make that investment.
We are not arguing bureaucracy and regulation. We are arguing whether putting a price on carbon is bureaucracy.
Kerry said it was not. This is not bureaucracy. You set the standard the market will set the price, he said. We all live in a world where we dont pay for the cost. We dont pay for the loss of fish, we dont pay for the lost of these species. None of that is priced into the goods today.
Before launching into his initial speech, Gingrich endorsed the book Kerry had co-authored with his wife Teresa Heinz Kerry "This Moment on Earth.".
This is excellent, this is a very good book, he said. I would commend this book to anyone who wants to see local leadership make a difference. Gingrich said he didnt agree with about 60% of it but would urge others to read it because its an example of individual local leadership against the odds.
Gingrichs concession was expected in many news circles as part of his long-shot strategy to run for President in 2008. He has said since last year that he would make a decision to run or not sometime in the fall of this year. He is planning to release a new book, "Contract with the Earth" this November that he co-wrote with conservationist Terry Maples.
Yesterday, in his weekly email newsletter Winning the Future Gingrich said that September 27 would be Solutions Day. This is to honor the 13th anniversary of his 1994 Contract with America.
Last week, Gingrich called the Spanish language a ghetto language. Immediately after the mishap, he recorded an extensive apology, in Spanish, directed to the Hispanic community that made available on YouTube. Last month, he revealed to Focus on the Familys James Dobson that he had an extramarital affair on Dobsons radio show.
In January, Gingrich appeared at a hearing conducted by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to talk about how to stabilize Iraq.
Well, it’s good to see Newt has bowed out of any further political ambitions.
I like the guy, but his endorsement of the “global warming” con job shows me he is not leadership material.
Newt has jumped the shark.
Was his hot sexytary third wife there?? Such a statesman pushing Global Scamming.
Pray for W and Our Troops
There is one guy that really does seem to speak his mind, and doesn't apologize later: Tom Tancredo.
But, I have my doubts that he could get nominated, let alone elected.
But, he may disappoint as well.
To a certain degree, I am in the ABG camp (anybody but Giuliani).
That’s the lone advantage that he and Ron Paul have by virtue of the fact that there is not a snowballs chance in Hell of them being elected. They can push the envelope and advance the discourse past scripted talking points.
That’s why we need people like them in the debates. Even if they don’t win, they can accomplish something.
See Barry Goldwater.
That would be a good point if he were suggesting incentives to solve a real problem. Here he's suggesting government incentives (which in this case are, in fact, regulations) to fix a PRETEND PROBLEM.
Caring does nothing. All of us "care" about the planet; "caring" isn't the issue. I care about the planet, but I also realize that global warming is a silly pretend problem, and that anything we do to solve a silly pretend problem is a complete waste of time and resources.
He also knows how to generate discussion and get people thinking in ways that may not appear on the surface to make conservative sense.
What the hell does that even mean? "Conservative sense"? It doesn't make any sense at all to jump on the bandwagon of a pretend problem.
Don’t bother running for office again, Newt...
Not to mention both wives were seriously ill when he dumped them.
I saw most of this debate Tuesday morning on C-SPAN. It was nauseating...
He is a good conservative writer, he just doesn't believe what he writes.
- Carbon Credits For Sale - Cheap -
Thanks Aunt B, not like I was going to vote for the man, but thought he might have been good in the cabinet. Now that the curtain is pulled back, I’d have to say no way. When a person has weak principles, a people need to ask, what else would he sell us out on? Can’t afford to find out!
*points to tagline*
IMHO, Newt has never been, and could never be, a serious candidate for President. He wants to be loved by everyone too much to stand up for conservative ideals. He also lacks the basic character that we should demand from our elected leaders.
Hopefully, this episode (combined with his Hillary love-fest on health care) will put the final nail in the coffin of the “Newt 2008” campaign.
He is, however, a great thinker and a fantastic source of ideas consistent with the conservative movement. He should stick to this role and quit deluding himself about running for president.
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Right after Hurricane Katrina, Newt was on Fox saying that we needed a "Marshall Plan for the Gulf Coast." To me, "Marshall Plan" means "big federal government programs and spending."
With people like Newt whining about the need for all of this spending, the panicky Congressional Republicans (absent a few logical folks) passed that huge Katrina Aid bill.
About 16 months later the stories came out about all of the waste, fraud, and corruption that had eaten up that money.
And there was Newt on Fox again, saying that "this is what you get when big government handles programs like this, and it should have been handled by the private sector."
There is no way to parse his comments as anything but a complete flip-flop, based, I suspect, on opportunism! How else would you explain this?
He has a bad habit of saying what he thinks Americans want to hear. He is inconsistent, weak, timid when confronted, and NOT a good candidate for the presidency.
So he baheaved exactly as I would have expected. What makes it worse is that he validated John F. Kerry!
Pffft! NOT presidentital material at all!
That’s it. He’s off the list.
please add me to the list
I still can’t understand the adulation this poser Gingrich receives from conservatives. Unless they have been living under a rock, we all now know that Gingrich let the Rapist walk, because Bubba & The Hildebeast had the goods on all of Newt’s skirt chasing on Capitol Hill.
At the time no-one could figure out why Newt was pushing the GOP to simply focus on the perjury charges, ignore all the moral issues that clearly were grounds for impeachment. Forget the rape allegations by Broaddrick, the masturbating in the sink of the oval office bathroom, all the tickle-the-weenie stuff in the oval office, his groping of women and on and on. Forget all the illegal chinese campaign donations and the subsequent sale of technology to China, against the Pentagon’s objections, because it was clear the technology could have military implications. Charlie Trie, John Huang, the whole stinking mess.
Forget the entire stench that is Bill Clinton and was his administration, just concentrate on a lie about fooling around with the adolescent blimp. That’s what Gingrich pushed on the GOP, the idiots listened, and now we know why Gingrich let Bubba slide.
Now he’s playing footsies with Kerry, when he’s not advising the GOP to not go after all the dirt in the PIAPS’ past.
This egomaniac still thinks he can run for President and is still owned by the Clintons. It’s time the conservative movement sent this loser packing and stop listening to the self-serving advise he’s so eager to spew.
Newt is becoming another wimp-out artist!!
When I make up my mind, it's made up, campg. You can have the responsibility of seeing where Newt goes. I don't care anymore. Too bad too, because I've supported him and liked him in the past. Should go back to acedemia and debate just how much government (US & UN) involvement is needed in the war on global warming.
I didn’t follow the Katrina boondoggle. If I’d seen Newt supporting such a “Marshall Plan” for the Gulf he would never have been on my list.
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”
I hope algore’s mansion is burning electricity and natural gas at record rates now!
Great graphic potlatch!
Sheryl Crowe is off on her “Global Warming Bus Tour” while April snow is falling in Texas where she is starting out from!
The photo ops and Google satellite photos of algore’s, Heinz-Kerry’s, and Hillary’s homes covered with April snow and ice will make great April Fool’s Day cards for decades!
Sad news, ‘?’ Hart, the creator of BC comic strip died. His caveman cartoon strip always had a religious under-theme to it.
I read that Hart died at his storyboard working on the comicstrips he created and love to share
The world will miss him but remember him always
[I read that Hart died at his storyboard ]
Yes, I was going to write that but for some reason couldn’t bring the word ‘storyboard’ to mind at the time.
Pookie18’s thread has a bunch of tribute posts from other cartoonists on it, very nice.
I’ll see if I can get on that thread to see it -
They are all at the top of the list of graphics. Still slow loading I’m sure.
Even back in 1994 he exhibited GANG-GREEN sympathies and seemed to buy into that old horse poopoo that Teddy Roosevelt was some sort of EnvironMentalista. TR wasn't even a constitutionalist. He believed, contrary to everyone from the founders to contemporary leaders of his time, that if the constitution didn't forbid it, the POTUS was authorized to just DO IT!!!
The GANG-GREENERs of today like to claim TR was one of them and co-opt another Republican to their ruthless, remorseless, relentless jaugernaut!!! (Just like they now do with Arnold the Spoiler!)
I made it!
Took a while to load -
But great tribute ‘Toons!
Yes it was, glad you saw it!
I was lucky this time -
What a great talent he had and a wonderful career!
I always have been amazed at the talent it takes to turn out a funny cartoon day after day. You’ve GOT to have an active mind.
Perhaps Gore should have gone into cartooning, lol.
A creative mind
Hard to imagine doing that daily
Johnny Hart did it with honesty and style
Debating the zombie Kerry was an opportunity for Newt to hit a grand slam homerun. Instead, Newt dug a grave and hopped in.
We can foundly remember Newt for his charge up Congressional hill in 1994 and destroying the rat enemy. But now he’s Humpty Dumpty, and all the king’s men can’t put him together again.
I’d write poem or epitaph to bury the old guy, but it’s just not in me tonight. Newt, we hardly knew you.....
I didn't hear the show today but will listen later to see if it came up...
I just posted Mark Levin’s rant about Newt from his Tuesday show.
“Tired of Newts roller coaster conservatism”
I’ve loved Newt for years- while not always liking him. I started wondering WTH he was thinking during Katrina..but still thought...well he might be good at the State Dept someday..
What an idiotic idea THAT was. What was I thinking?
Never mind- I guess I wasn’t thinking:) He has really lost it this time. I’m telling you- when politicians get out of touch with AMERICANS- something really bad takes root in them.
It just goes to show you, when you spend that much time in Washington DC, you lose touch with reality.
Mark’s quote here on that audio says it all about Newt:
Now if that is your position, then youre not as smart as I thought you were.
A few months ago Newt was shopping himself around as a non-aspirant who would be "above the fray" and able to provide the sort of cover fire that the Republicans (independent of candidate) desperately needs. I remember being excited to see him cast in this roll because there aren"t any dhimmis who can beat him in an argument.
Now it looks like the Newt has turned into a toad. I no longer understand what his agenda is (unless it is slash & burn politics against his fellow Republicans in order to somehow position himself as a presidential candidate), but whatever his agenda is, it is turning off those who once represented his base.
Newt - croak off!
From my post yesterday:
Newt is a realist and is trying to head the "central planners" off at the pass because they have spent many years indoctrinating people and too many of them now believe the Chicken-Little alarmist lies. Perception is reality.
Luckily, we now have an opening to turn the tables on the eco-wackos, and convince the people to go for Newt's "pleasure" solution over Kerry's "pain" solution - which is how Newt brilliantly phrased it yesterday.
I think that the fact that they picked CO-2 in the atmosphere to use as their culprit behind "anthropomorphic-induced warming" (human-induced], means that they shot themselves in the foot. The FASTEST way to reduce CO-2 in the atmosphere is to build more nuclear power plants. And if we're to be able to bring nuclear power plants on line as fast as France, China and Russia do, (5 years) that means we will have to roll back our draconian "taxes and regulations" which were deliberately designed to thwart the building of more plants.
June 26 2006 Other Inconvenient Truths - Click to listen to Newt's one and 1/2-minute spot
March 1 2007 The Branson Prize (25 million to the scientist who can invent a ..) - Click to listen to Newt's one and 1/2-minute spot
April 5 2007 Kerry, Gingrich announce climate showdown- HERE
Excerpt: ".... Gingrich, the architect of the Contract with America that led to the Republican takeover of the House in 1994, recently teamed up with conservationist Terry Maple to author A Contract with the Earth. Like his Contract with America, A Contract with the Earth, due out Nov. 1, 2007, is based on a 10-point contract calling for a bipartisan approach to solving climate issues.
America should focus its energy policy in four areas, Gingrich writes on his website. Basic research for a new energy system, incentives for conservation, more renewable resources, and environmentally sound development of fossil fuels. The lengthy process of environmental planning must be made more efficient and cost effective, he adds.
Re: the Debate on 4/10/07 mentioned below. No doubt the video of the debate will be available today or tomorrow: HERE
John Kerry, Newt Gingrich Take On Environment, Each Other
Foxnews.com Greg Simmons
The global warming debate has been heating up in Washington lately, but reached new heights Tuesday when partisan heavies Sen. John Kerry and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich went head-to-head over the issue on Capitol Hill.
What might have been a surprise to some people watching the debate was that Kerry and Gingrich were cordial, not at each other's throats, and actually agreed and said so several times on the key point at hand: that climate change is a problem and something needs to be done.
In their opening statements, both men made reference to the prize-fight billing, but downplayed any expectations of animosity.
"I'm sure we're going to have an interesting dialogue about this," Gingrich said with a grin during his opening remarks.
Part of what made the debate enticing was the political backdrop: Kerry was the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee and remains a Bush administration critic; and Gingrich led the conservative revolution that swept Congress in 1994 and might be positioning himself as a candidate for the presidency in 2008.
But how they said they would tackle the global warming problem is where they differed.
Talking from a podium in the Russell Senate Office Building, Gingrich argued that a program including cash prizes, targeted tax cuts and other economic incentives will lure business entrepreneurs to develop technology to tackle the climate problem. He said that type of program would be faster than a bureaucratic government program because it will avoid the rush of special interests to avoid regulation and costly litigation.
Kerry said he favors government regulation first because markets, while they work, cannot act fast enough to tackle the looming problem he pointed to frequently: reaching the "tipping point" level of greenhouse gases of 450 parts per million. Scientists believe that level of greenhouse gases would seriously hurt worldwide economies. Kerry also advocated a so-called cap-and-trade program that would set economy-wide carbon emission limits.
Gingrich began first with a concession to his opponent. Holding the new book by Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, Gingrich said, "This is a very good book. As a clearly right-wing reader, I would commend the book" as one that shows examples of local leadership on environmental issues.
"I would agree with about 60 percent of this book," he added.
Kerry of Massachusetts also took a friendly stance in his opening remarks before turning to the debate, which was sponsored by the New York University Robert Wagner School of Public Service, the Brookings Institution and the Cato Institute.
"While I don't have his book in hand, and I don't know what it's about, I've always enjoyed every dialogue he and I have ever had," Kerry said, calling the global-warming face-off the "environmental version of the Lincoln-Douglas debates."
Gingrich said he will be pushing for a way to deal with climate change that is not heavy on regulation a point on which he criticized Kerry's plan.
"I want to suggest that we need a new science- and technology-based, entrepreneurial, market-oriented and locally led environmentalism," Gingrich said.
Gingrich raised some discrepancies among the science that has led to the current data on climate change, but when asked pointedly about science doubters, like Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., Gingrich strongly held the case that climate change is a problem.
"What would you say to Sen. Inhofe and others in the Senate who are resisting even science? What's your message to them here today?" Kerry asked.
"My message, I think is that the evidence is sufficient that we should move towards the most effective possible steps to reduce carbon loading in the atmosphere "
"And do it urgently, now?" Kerry interrupted.
"Urgently, yes," Gingrich said. [[[Yes- we have urgently needed to go to nuclear energy, etc., for many years but the environmentalist-whacko base of the DemocRAT party have stopped us cold. But Nuclear power is the only option if we head towards a low carbon, hydrogen economy - a hydrogen economy requires vast amounts of energy which only nuclear can provide. "75% of France's energy supplies are derived from nuclear generation. ..concerns voiced throughout the industry is the dearth of skilled technicians and engineers, the result of an industry perceived for years as having no future. Nuclear Regulatory Commission officials regularly cite access to qualified staff as a prerequisite to approving a ramp-up of the industry. "There are still quite a few challenges facing the industry, starting with the fact that they haven't built one of these plants in a long time. .." 10/16/06 HERE ]]]
But Gingrich also said that up to now, conservatives have been slow to loathe with environmental policy because, he said, "For most of the last 30 years, the environment has a been a powerful emotional tool for bigger government and higher taxes. And therefore if you're a conservative, if you hear these arguments, you know what's coming next."
"So even though it might be the right thing to do, you might end up fighting it because you don't want the bigger government and the higher taxes."
Gingrich said there must be a "green conservatism." [Newt knows that there already is a Green Conservatism]
"There has to be a willingness to stand up and say, alright, here's the right way to solve these as seen by our values system," Gingrich said. [See above]
Gingrich said there needs to be more money available in the form of incentives to find better ways of bringing forward new technology.
"Regulation and litigation are the least effective" ways to get change.
Kerry said he's not against a market-based approach, but he believes that the nation's corporations and international governments will not take more environmentally friendly measures without U.S. government response.
"Ladies and gentleman, this is a moral obligation. [[[ - Yes. Kerry knows it's not nice to fool 'Mother Gaia' - ]]]
It's one in which we can [make] money. [[[ Ahhhh yes - "the money" - as in "follow the money."]]]
That's what those business leaders realize. We need to show the leadership. It's the only way to get China and India to participate, and that's why you have to take this with a global pricing of carbon certainly economy wide in the United States to start with and we need to offer the leadership."
Kerry argued that Gingrich's position doesn't allow for fast enough action. [[[ Here comes the "bum's rush" to get emotion-driven fools to "act fast" (before their brains - if any - have a chance to get into gear), and agree to the harmful and painful "solutions" that big government central planners have in mind to separate the useful idiots from their money and other resources. ]]]
"He takes the consensus of the U.N. report, but then essentially says, what we need to do is encourage the marketplace to go out and respond, and to unleash science, to unleash technology," Kerry said.
He contended that Gingrich's solution won't deal with "the crises that we have to respond to immediately, quickly," and added that Gingrich's stance is "like saying, 'Barry Bonds, go investigate steroids.' "
Also see HERE bttt