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Is A 'One-And-One-Half-War Navy' Up To Today's Global Challenges?
IBD Editorials ^ | 11 April 2007 | Staff

Posted on 04/11/2007 6:18:49 AM PDT by Kitten Festival

There is an urgent problem that Britain's Royal Navy and the U.S. Navy share: Both forces are dangerously inadequate in today's geopolitical environment. And the immediacy of this challenge is being overlooked.

We need to move past the all too comfortable approach of talking about those shortfalls of naval force levels as if they are approaching problems. The problems are here now, and the situations' seriousness should be clear to anyone who can count, has access to a globe, recognizes that not all of a nation's naval units can be deployed simultaneously and grasps the fact that even the most powerful ship or aircraft cannot be in more than one place at one time.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: navy; uk; unprepared; us
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1 posted on 04/11/2007 6:18:50 AM PDT by Kitten Festival
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To: Kitten Festival

the author is an idiot.........


2 posted on 04/11/2007 6:23:43 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: joe fonebone
Why do you say that? The US navy is crucial, and it cannot be built up overnight when a crisis occurs. You plan now for the navy you will have in 10 or 15 years.

China is pushing to create a powerful navy. They want it as fast as they can get it. The US is lacking urgency, which is a shame.

3 posted on 04/11/2007 6:30:02 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: Kitten Festival

A navy too small will have to go to the big stuff (read nukes) much sooner in a conflict, which may or may not be a good thing.

Frankly. I don’t care who likes us, so long as everyone FEARS us!


4 posted on 04/11/2007 6:44:49 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TAGLINE virus has been CURED!.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Building the ships is the easy part. Building the shipyard we closed is hard. Training the shipyard workers is hard, training the crews is hard.
Jack


5 posted on 04/11/2007 7:02:07 AM PDT by btcusn (Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.)
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To: btcusn

Meant building the shipyards!! We need MANY!!
Jack


6 posted on 04/11/2007 7:03:37 AM PDT by btcusn (Giving up the right to arms is a mistake a free people get to make only once.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

You can help by joining the Navy League.


7 posted on 04/11/2007 7:04:12 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer (I'm a billionaire! Thanks WTO and the "free trade" system!--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We have had a 3 mission navy for over 40 years now, with the option to fight a limited 4th mission......the author is in the same group of people who say our military is overstretched...... create some hype in order to achieve isolationismn....the author is an idiot


8 posted on 04/11/2007 7:06:41 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: Kitten Festival

I think there is some truth to his report. Our navy used to have 600 ships, now at 276. China prolly doesn’t need a big navy to take care of ours. New antiship missiles can easily take care of our carriers. Their new subs are quiet and deadly. Our anti sub and anti mine warfare systems have seriously been degraded. Our bisexual navy is less capable and crippled by the weak female links in its anchor chains. The PC handcuffs of “rules of engagements” has turned all our forces into weak sisters on the battlefields, including the seas, witness the Cole incident. We are hampered by an 8000-mile-long screw driver that mismicromanages our conflicts from the Beltway. I have no confidence that our Navy could even effectively handle yard patrol.


9 posted on 04/11/2007 7:10:26 AM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We will pay in blood tomorrow for the mistakes which we make today. I’ll probably be dead, but my grandchildren will still be here. And yours.


10 posted on 04/11/2007 7:23:40 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: joe fonebone

The U. S. Navy on site in the Red Sea is important in keeping the Iranians at bay. Any further action can be
done by the Air Force.


11 posted on 04/11/2007 8:05:03 AM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: ArtyFO

Well, we could always pull some of the older destroyers out of mothballs to bring up the numbers. They won’t need all that modern crap, like radar and stuff... explain to me how an anti-ship missile would get to a carrier, details please, and by the way, the Cole was hit by a suicide bomber while it was tied up at a pier, not out at sea with all systems operating. Exactly how many combat ships have we lost to enemy action since the end of WW2?


12 posted on 04/11/2007 8:55:15 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: ClearCase_guy

“China is pushing to create a powerful navy. They want it as fast as they can get it. The US is lacking urgency, which is a shame.”

It’s worse than that. The US is comatose.


13 posted on 04/11/2007 8:56:54 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (Won't vote for a liberal in the democrat party, won't vote for one in the Republican party. Ever)
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To: ArtyFO
I think there is some truth to his report. Our navy used to have 600 ships, now at 276. China prolly doesn’t need a big navy to take care of ours. New antiship missiles can easily take care of our carriers. Their new subs are quiet and deadly. Our anti sub and anti mine warfare systems have seriously been degraded. Our bisexual navy is less capable and crippled by the weak female links in its anchor chains. The PC handcuffs of “rules of engagements” has turned all our forces into weak sisters on the battlefields, including the seas, witness the Cole incident. We are hampered by an 8000-mile-long screw driver that mismicromanages our conflicts from the Beltway. I have no confidence that our Navy could even effectively handle yard patrol.

The sky is falling! Oh woe is us! Tell you what: If the Chinese figure out how to replenish their ships underway---and become a true blue water navy---I'll get concerned. Not much, though, because I know that the United States Navy can and will destroy any naval "threat" on the water.

Your last line is particularly offensive. I'll be sure to let my brother know what you think when I see him next month---after he gets back from his third tour of duty establishing unquestioned air superiority over places like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Somalia.


14 posted on 04/11/2007 9:02:32 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: joe fonebone

No he is not, we need more ships.


15 posted on 04/11/2007 9:04:12 AM PDT by Hydroshock (Duncan Hunter For President, checkout gohunter08.com.)
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To: Hydroshock

Sorry buddy, quality, not quantity.....when we went into iraq in the early 90’s, saddam had more men, guns and tanks then we had.....took a whole 4 days to kick his a$$ into submission...as I said, we have had a 3 mission navy for 40 years now, with a limited capacity for a 4th at the same time.....what we really need is to get rid of the ‘60’s era hippies in our government, THAT would be all the improvement our military would need


16 posted on 04/11/2007 9:14:23 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: joe fonebone
The navy keeps asking for funding to build more ships, but the "hippies in our government" keep cutting the funding and reducing the numbers of next-generation destroyers, cruisers and the LCS. In the next 10 years, the number of navy ships built at our shipyards will not be very great, which will probably disappoint the navy since the navy asked for money to build significantly larger numbers of ships and was turned down.

But you should write to the Secretary of the Navy and tell him not to worry.

17 posted on 04/11/2007 9:19:19 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Enoch Powell was right.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I am glad you agree with me. The hippies have got to go


18 posted on 04/11/2007 9:32:40 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Nothin' from Nothin' leaves Nothin')
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To: upcountryhorseman

Except the Air Force is being used to replace the Naval forces we’ve withdrawn from the Pacific.


19 posted on 04/11/2007 9:44:03 AM PDT by gogogodzilla (Republicans only win if they are conservative.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

I remind you that a quiet Chinese submarine surfaced undetected within the security zone of a US carrier last fall. It caused Admiral Fallon to soil his trousers.


20 posted on 04/11/2007 10:49:09 AM PDT by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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