CA: Proposal: Get health insurance or pay fine (putting teeth in requiring coverage for all?)

LA Times ^ | 4/11/07 | Jordan Rau

[ExtremeUnction]

People who refuse to obtain health insurance could be tracked down by the state or a private contractor, enrolled in a plan and fined until they pay their premiums..

Ha! Ha!!! Some evenings I stop at a little store on the way home from work. The store is not too far from a train yard, so encountering hobos in not uncommon. They approach me as I get out of my car and ask for money, usually I suspect for liquor. These folks are broke, homeless, hungry and often drunk. I suspect that they have no address, no ID, no nothin'. So, California, how are you going to fine them when they don't sign up for a plan?? They will eventually show up at an ER for medical treatment, but I can guarantee you they won't be card-carrying medical plan members. Never. The same applies to illegals. And many others. Are you going to "fine" them as well? Nope.

[Lizavetta]

I think he meant they deserve to PAY for it.

[Wolfstar]

pleikumud might well say the same thing in response to your post #50.

So?

[Carry_Okie]

What part of THE RECALL WAS A DISASTER FOR THIS STATE do you folks not understand?

What part of THE GOP WOULD HAVE PUT UP ARNOLD IN THE NEXT ELECTION ANYWAY don't you understand? After the way they screwed Bill Simon they'd have had no trouble deeming any conservative "unelectable."

And conservatives were the people who pushed the recall, and would not listen to people like myself who said it was not a good idea. There is zero way conservatives can get out from under responsibility for the recall. All we have to do is go back in FR archives and the proof will stare folks right in the face.

Your case is totally immaterial. After the way Wilson and Rove destroyed the GOP grass roots structure there would have been no means for the primary process to repeat the 2002 defeat of Dick Riordan in 2004. Arnold would have been nominated anyway, as they were planning to do.

Unfortunately, from where we are now, we have to start over by rebuilding the Party infrastructure from scratch. That means restructuring the leadership of virtually every local central committee.

[Oberon]

So?

Pot...meet Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot.

[Wolfstar]

To everything you said, NUTS! With this exception: I agree the CAGOP needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.

[Wolfstar]

Pot...meet Kettle. Kettle, this is Pot.

Not hardly. But, hey, knock yourself out.

[tubebender]

All this ponzi scheme will accomplish is create a shortage of doctors and hospitals because the insurance carrier will pay them two cents on the dollar for their services.

It’s just another way to tax the businesses by forcing them to pay higher wages to entry level employees who are already paying workman's comp on them from day one...

[Carry_Okie]

To everything you said, NUTS!

To you, ignorance must be bliss.

[Wolfstar]

To me, ignorance is failing to acknowledge one's mistakes and repeating them over and over again. This is what those who like to self-identify as "real" conservatives do. In fact, it's worse than failing to acknowledge mistakes, it's failing to even recognize them as one's own. So easy to blame some vague conspiracy by "rinos," Rove, Wilson, whoever, rather than seeing the flaws one's own actions and attitudes.

Until self-professed real conservatives learn to operate in the real world, where winning means forsaking the notion that only those who agree in total lock-step are welcome, the Left wil never again be defeated in California.

[Extremely Extreme Extremist]

Can anyone address the Constitutionality of coercing people to enter into a contract against their will?

Sure, it's the paragraph after the section that describes the right to terminate your unborn. (It's in bold Olde English font, you can't miss it).

[calcowgirl]

True—Conservatives worked to get the petition signatures.

But from there, they did ZILCH to get the Austrian dictator elected. Credit for that can be given to the whining, sniveling teary-eyed Issa, the I-love-liberals David Dreier, the We-Love-Arnold-the-Celebrity Duf Sundheim, and all of the other so-called “pragmatic” Republicans who day-in and day-out did everything in their power to criticize Conservatives and McClintock while ignoring the obvious liberal leanings of the Austrian.

Had this not happened during the Recall election, I believe it would have happened in the 2006 primary—folks like you, David Dreier, Sean Hannity, etc. promoting the Austrian as “a conservative” while ignoring things like his outrageous LEFTIST environmental platform.

As I said earlier, the Recall was a disaster because of the CA GOP leadership’s efforts (aided and abetted by Rove and the RNC—thanks for nuttin’ Bob White and George Gorton!) to foist a liberal on the Republican party (and their ever-increasing efforts to defeat all things conservative).

[SierraWasp]

You are obviously "chest pounding" and "grandstanding" based on baseless history revisionism and sophistry!

I repeat... Give it up!! It should be embarrassing to you, but it's obviously not!!!

[SierraWasp]

Derivitive authority is an intreguing(sp?) concept! Teddy Roosevelt derived his authority to establish the Food & Drug Administration and a whole bunch of other beligerent bureaucracies that penetrate deep into every aspect of our every-day lives today, from the simple assertion that if the US constitution didn't specifically forbid it, the Executive could "make it so!"

FDR advanced that to the absurd, creating the USSA of today!!!

At this very moment I'm investing in "derivatives" on the Chicago Board of Exchange for fun and profit (hopefully). They (stock option derivitives) can be fleeting things, where "derivitive authority" is seemingly never ending when instituted by DemonicrTICKs and Repellicans, alike!!!

[Centurion2000]

Many times an illegal will hit and run to avoid apprehension

I believe that in Texas a hit and run with injuries is a felony and as such, deadly force is authorized in their apprehension.

[Wolfstar]

You don’t get to tell me what’s embarrassing or not. You don’t get to tell m what to give up. You get to express your opinions and I get to express mine. Funny how it works, huh.

[SierraWasp]

Hey! There’s no doubt about it!! You’ve been told!!!

[Wolfstar]

Sugah plum, in da vernacular o’da streets, you done told nobody nothin’. You jus made a [blank] outta youself. Enjoy!

[utahagen]

Illegal aliens are a big problem in CA, for sure. But there is another issue that makes me somewhat in favor of forcing people to buy health insurance: able-bodied people who will pay $150 a month for their cable/internet bill, but won’t pay a dime for health insurance. A 25 year old in CA can purchase excellent medical and dental insurance for about $125 from a Blue Cross of CA agent. But they don’t! I have friends who buy new stereo systems for their cars and new flat screen TVs, but won’t pay even $100 a month for insurance. Even after I give them all the info! When these twentysomethings get sick, they go to the emergency room just like illegals. I would say that people shouldn't’t be forced to buy health insurance...except that taxpayers like me end up picking up their medical bills.

[utahagen]

I know that’s true in many states, but the rates are fairly reasonable in California. A few years ago, when I was in my early thirties, I paid for my own medical and dental insurance and it cost about $125 a month. I think individuals should be willing to pay at least as much for health insurance as they do for cable TV.