Posted on 04/11/2007 10:15:51 AM PDT by Spiff
“didn’t Rudy use that as an opportunity to enforce more gun control measures?”
You are sounding more and more like a liberal. When you have no answer to the subject, simply change the subject and address an issue that was not brought up in the discussion.
How typical of an unarmed man in a battle of wits.
PS: I’m not familiar with the 1997 incident you are referring to in your post.
Also, What gun control measures did get enacted by Rudy in NYC??
I'm referring to how Rudy responded to this.
Ten years ago this month, on February 24, 1997, a Muslim identified as Ali Abu KAMAL waged his own jihad from the 86th floor observation deck at the Empire State Building. KAMAL, a 69 year-old Palestinian from Ramallah "made some sort of statement about Egypt" before he began shooting at tourists killing one person and wounding six others. He then shot himself in the head and died 5 hours later at a New York hospital. Witnesses stated that during the shooting spree, KAMAL asked potential victims whether they were from Egypt. Then-mayor Rudolph Giuliani attributed the actions of the gunman to his mental state of mind, while police officials later concluded that KAMAL "acted out of rage at monetary loss."
"The Mayor was concerned about gun control issues, and determined that this was a case that cried out for stricter gun control," she said. "After discussions this morning at the meeting, he had the staff reach out to Congresswoman McCarthy, and to other gun control advocates. A few calls were made, and advocates pretty much organized themselves to come. They have an extraordinary communications network."
This very incident was referred to in his address to the Citizen Crimes Commission.
"And even as we grieve for those who lost their lives, and our hearts and prayers go out to the victims and their loved ones, we may be able to find some sort of meaning in this tragedy by using it as a catalyst to revive national gun control efforts."
So in response to a shooting by a Muslim terrorist, Rudy's response is to call for stricter gun control? Yeah, that's the ticket.
When you have no answer to the subject, simply change the subject and address an issue that was not brought up in the discussion.
How is referring to Giuliani's response to an actual shooting by a Muslim terrorist changing the subject from Rudy's record on terrorism?
Rudy dismissed terrorism and launched into a full-on promotion for national gun control, touting his gun-grabbing record. Here are some excerpts on Rudy's response --and Clinton.
N.Y. Mayor: Fla. Gun Laws Are `Insane'
The Palestinian Who Unleashed A Barrage Of Deadly Gunfire Sunday At The Empire State Building Bought His Pistol In Florida.
Sarasota Herald Tribune. Feb 25, 1997
New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani blames Florida for making it too easy for the Empire State Building gunman to get his hands on the weapon that killed one person and injured six on Sunday.Thanks to NY gun law, crime dramatically down."The laws of the state of Florida are irrational and insane from the point of view of a decent, lawful, safe society," Giuliani said, suggesting it is easier to buy a gun than a car in Florida. He wants stricter gun laws nationwide.
If Mr. Abu Kamal would have tried to buy a gun in New York, he would not have been able to do so because in New York our gun control laws are much stricter and more responsible than in Florida.EMPIRE STATE SHOOTING SPARKS CALLS FOR GUN CONTROLTo purchase a gun in the state of New York you have to give your full name, your date of birth, your residence, your occupation. You have to prove that you're a United States citizen, you have to show you are of good character, competency and integrity. And you have to demonstrate a real need for the weapon.
And thanks in part to our stricter gun control laws, crime is down dramatically in N York City. Shootings are down over 50 percent. Murder is down over 50 percent. But the fact is that 90 percent of the guns we take out of the hands of criminals in New York City come from out of the state of New York.
We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restriction - really stronger ones - that exist for driving a car.
The United States Congress needs to pass uniform licensing for everyone carrying a gun. Congress must do more to prevent a tragedy like the one that happened at the Empire State Building from ever happening again.
NEW YORK, Feb. 25 (IPS) -- A startling shooting incident on Feb. 23 at the Empire State Building, one of New York City's most famous tourist attractions, has led officials here to call for stricter gun control nationwide.Empire State Building killer sought `enemies'New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani argued this week that the main lesson from Ali Abu Kamal's shooting rampage is that all U.S. states must uniformly provide long waiting periods and checks on prospective gun owners' backgrounds before providing licenses for guns.
"Hopefully, this tragedy will focus our attention on the need for uniform gun control laws," Giuliani said at New York's City Hall, a day after Kamal killed one person and wounded six others when he fired randomly on the Empire State Building's 86th-story observation deck. Another eight people were hurt as tourists trampled each other seeking to flee the shooting.
In a rambling but neatly handwritten letter that he carried in his pocket to his death, the Palestinian teacher who killed one tourist Sunday and wounded six others before killing himself at the Empire State Building said he wanted to murder "my bitter enemies" in a highly visible location.Appropriate Response - Clinton Seeks To Close Loopholes In Gun Laws"My restless ambition is to murder as many of them as possible, and I have decided to strike at their own den in New York, and at the very Empire State Building in particular," Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, 69, wrote in a two-page letter released Tuesday.
The letter listed groups of "enemies" -- beginning with Americans, Britons, French and Zionists -- who Abu Kamal wrote must be "annihilated and exterminated" for carrying out "savage aggression" against the Palestinian people.
"Now the American people must understand the message which runs deep in the blood of every real Palestinian," he wrote in the letter he called the "Charter of Honor."
Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani said the letter "indicates a man who had many, many enemies in his mind. . . . It is certainly fair to conclude there was a great deal of unreality in this man's mind."
President Clinton responded to weaknesses in the gun laws with some needed steps Wednesday. The immediate catalyst was the case of Ali Hassan Abu Kamal, the Empire State Building gunman...
He advised Janet Reno and Bill Clinton on national uniform gun licensing. Go Rudy! /s
I’m sorry, but the site required a password. I know Rudy had all types of press conferences and sound bites about gun control. Most of them were for show. What Gun Control laws did Rudy get passed as applies to NYC during his tenure?
My point is that he knew he was powerless to enact any gun control. He may well have advised the Clinton crooks, but he knew full well that Cities do not have the power to control guns. There may be licensing requirements, but they can’t control guns. Even a private citizen like me knows that. A DA knows that better than I. Witness the recent court ruling in the Washington DC gun control case
What site? Free Republic?
There may be licensing requirements, but they can’t control guns.
Federal licensing legislation IS control of guns!
Even a private citizen like me knows that.
I suggest you learn about the Constitution and how Rudy stomps all over it.
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Rudy may be a powerful speaker and leader, but he does not have the power to “stomp” over the constitution. Many politicians can speak their views, but thanks to the powers of the constitution and the States’ control over the actions of a city Mayor, Rudy knew full well what he could accomplish and what he could not.
I will repeat my question, “What Gun Control laws did Rudy get passed as applies to NYC during his tenure?”
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Please. Reagan appointed James Webb as Secretary of the Navy.
noname07718 asks “What Gun Control laws did Rudy get passed as applies to NYC during his tenure?”
Pharmboy can tell you. Rudy is a bonafide gungrabbing, abortion supporting liberal.
Indeed. I was a legal NYC pistol carry permit holder, original granted in 1980; every 2 years, according to law, I renewed my permit on my birthday. No problem through 2 democrat administrations (Koch and Dinkins). When Giuliani came in, the rules changed, and after 19 years, I could not re-up. He’s a gun grabber.
306 posted on 03/29/2007 5:20:53 PM PDT by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in ‘08)
From http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1808686/posts?page=306#306
Angry archivists and historians denounced the unprecedented hijacking of public property to private hands. Tom Connors, of the Society of American Archivists, said the transfer seemed part of a movement to "create barriers to the American citizen's right to know what their governments are doing."
The families of the police and fire rescuers who died in the attack balked at Giuliani's plan to take up to a year to dole out the money, with his new organization billing $2.2 million in anticipated administrative expenses (including six-figure salaries for friends he appointed as officers). The families argued that the fire union had far more quickly distributed $111 million with an estimated administrative cost of just $30,000.
Under embarrassing pressure from the victims' families, unions and state Attorney General Elliot Spitzer, Giuliani backed down. He promised to distribute the money within 60 days and fund his overhead from new donations. The families of the deceased rescuers, the real heroes of the September 11 attacks, received a one-time benefit of about $230,000 each from the Giuliani-privatized fund in 2002. That year, the former mayor earned some $8 million in speaking fees alone, more than $650,000 per month.
New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans—four of them illegal—abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.
On the issues: Liberal Party endorsement of Giuliani
National Review: Rockefeller quote
New York Observer: Reagan Republican quote
New York Observer: Republican convention quote
New York Observer: Goldwater quote
Imagine that, a life-long liberal appointed by Reagan who endorsed Cuomo for Governor.
Darn, there you go again. The topic was Rudy’s Gun Control results and had nothing to do with abortion. When we are done with one topic, we can move on to a new discussion. I am waiting for Pharmboy’s answer.
What was the explanation for your non renewal?
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