Rudy's Abortion Deal-Breaker

The American Spectator ^ | 13 April 2007 | Doug Bandow

[ConservativeWarrior]

Last week I saw a lot of posts where Rudy was suddenly “toast” because he once again stated his personal view on choice. No change in the polls -

As metioned on Bill Bennett's show this morning, pollsters have their own way of spinning things. The current popular trend is to poll 2 or 3 days after a major campaigne event, before the event has had time to filter out through the media. This creates the appearance that people are unaffected by the event, since the poll was taken "just days after RINO Rudy announced his support of tax-funded abortions," yet shows no change in support.

They'll employ the same tactic when Thompson announces. They'll poll just 2 days after, before the average likely voter has any knowledge of the event, and claim he hasn't affected Rudy's standing.

[SmoothTalker]

“Mrs. Clinton is grateful for those who think like that.”

I’m sick and tired of this argument. Hilary being a bad candidate doesn’t mean all Conservatives should blindly follow a candidate with a horribly sordid personal life who is pro-illegal, pro-gay, pro-gun control, and pro-publically funded abortion. Rudy would be the death of the conservative movement and would probably lead to the loss of a ton of people to third parties. Long term he not only can’t win (because too many R’s would abandon him) but will be poisson on the party and will make us the second liberal party.

[Jake The Goose]

You might be right - it’s a reasonable possibility.

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[FreeInWV]

“No way I would vote for a pro-choice candidate so Rudy is definitely off my list of candidates.
Mrs. Clinton is grateful for those who think like that.”

Actually a vast group of liberals would be grateful if you heartily support Rudy. They hope to be our future GOP candidates. With so many issues (guns, gays, infanticide, constitutional rights, family values, immigration, etc) being taken off of the table, nearly anyone could get a GOP nomination.

Perhaps a Giuliani presidency would clear the way for someone like that nice man married to Susan Sarandon. Wouldn’t that be great?

[Jalapeno]

It is getting more and more to be a race of voting for the lesser or two or more evils.

There has not been an election unlike this in 20-30 years, probabaly longer.

[Manic_Episode]

Rudy is an enemy to conservatism and I’m starting to wonder about those who are supporting him so vociferously.

[Jalapeno]

There are some deal-breakers in politics. Public financing of abortion should be one for social conservatives

Is Bush allowing this to happen? Did Reagan?

[Sabramerican]

I don’t know where you’ve been but when Tony Blair and Britain was held hostage and humiliated by the Iranians, I wanted to know if Blair is pro Life.

When Ehud Olmert lost ..., hell I can’t recite all of Olmert’s follies, but, anyway, I always need to know if he is pro life.

When it has been obvious for a long long time that anything that might be called a victory for the US in Iraq requires action against Iran. I always wonder if Bush is pro life.

When Iran goes nuclear, when the failure of Iraq reverberates to the US detriment, when the barbarians figure that the US and Israel are weak and attack one or both, when gas prices are well over $5 a gallon, taking the economy to hell, I know that the subject on gas lines will be abortion.

Because if you remember a hint of prologue, the Carter administration, all anyone talked about was the President’s view on abortion....and the President’s views on gays......and guns (wouldn’t it have been cool if everyone had a concealed gun on those NYC gas lines).

I know in my heart that when a President needs to face the crucible that makes Presidents, the hot issues are always the Second Amendment, gays, and abortion. And how many times he/she has been married.

So stop demeaning these people. They know what counts. And they will continue to stomp their feet and insist that their issues are what matters and that their fantasy candidate will win. All to be continued, on and on, here, on freedelusions.

[Jake The Goose]

Wow - now that is an interesting post.

You clearly tout a lot of intellect inside your dome.

[Antoninus]

Rudy won’t get my vote—either in the primary or the general election. I don’t vote for liberals.

[dirtboy]

So stop demeaning these people. They know what counts

Funny, just about every pubbie in the race, except for Hagel, is pro Iraq-War. So one can easily find a pubbie candidate who is both pro-war and much more pro-life than Rudy.

But beyond that, McCain is the most steadfast of the front-runners in supporting the Iraq War. Using your "logic" here, you should shift your support to him - especially since Rudy is giving himself an out regarding the Iraq War with his statements that we won't lose the WOT if we fail in Iraq.

So back up your statements - go with the most steadfast GOP war supporter - John McCain. If you are a single-issue voter in that regard, go with the guy who is standing up for the war.

[massadvj]

I think people respect a man who holds his beliefs - whether we agree with those beliefs or not.

True. This is doubly true when it comes to abortion. Most people abhor the practice, but also empathize with destitute women who find themselves pregnant.

There is also an unspoken and sinister motive among the country club Republicans that no one talks about but everyone recognizes: given what we pay to subsidize an urban disadvantaged kid, publicly-funded abortion is a smart expenditure on a cost/benefit basis.

Religious types would never think this way; other Republicans like to believe about themselves that they do not think this way, but in the end they vote that way.

That is the dirty little secret about the Republican Party.

[FreeInWV]

“when Tony Blair and Britain was held hostage ...When Ehud Olmert lost...victory for the US in Iraq requires action against Iran...When Iran goes nuclear...”

When I think about those things, I pray that we have a president with diplomacy, military and foreign relations experience. Rudy however has none of these. I can’t understand how he is still considered a viable candidate.

Rudy does have a great speech writer though.

[Jalapeno]

There is also an unspoken and sinister motive among the country club Republicans that no one talks about but everyone recognizes: given what we pay to subsidize an urban disadvantaged kid, publicly-funded abortion is a smart expenditure on a cost/benefit basis.

Do you really believe this? Who would you cite as being as having this point of view?

[Jake The Goose]

You see very clearly my friend - you see very clearly.

I can plead guilty to your description myself. I am sorry to say, but I do plead guilty.

[massadvj]

There is also an unspoken and sinister motive among the country club Republicans that no one talks about but everyone recognizes: given what we pay to subsidize an urban disadvantaged kid, publicly-funded abortion is a smart expenditure on a cost/benefit basis.

I personally do not agree with it. I don't like public funding of ANYTHING, let alone murder. Very few Republicans would admit to this point of view, but in my observations, quite a few vote that way in local elections, especially in large cities. In my opinion, it is the dirty little secret no one dares speak of.

[massadvj]

I can plead guilty to your description myself. I am sorry to say, but I do plead guilty

You must be very comfortable with yourself, because I think most people put blinders on when it comes to this. Thanks for your input.

[Jake The Goose]

I’m no saint - I just wish I was.

[freespirited]

Giuliani attempted to sidestep the implications of his position by promising not to change existing law. Fine, but would he stop Congress from changing existing law? The Senate in 2009 almost certainly will be Democratic; at present, at least, the House could easily remain in Democratic hands. In that case only a presidential veto is likely to preserve the law unchanged.

I have to disagree here. The Hyde Amendment has to be renewed every year. Every year since 1976, it has been. Much of that time we had Democrats running Congress and the Senate.