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Orson Scott Card: Honor
rhinotimes.com ^ | April 05, 2007 | Orson Scott Card

Posted on 04/13/2007 7:18:36 AM PDT by Tolik

Warning: don't get hung up on a few disagreements with a democrat Orson Scott Card - we have overwhelmingly more points of agreement. If you disagree with me, see my tagline    :^)


Duty. Honor. Country.

Once these words could inspire the hearts of patriots. Now, in our benighted era, the elite in our nation sneer at the words and at those who still believe in them. :::

But there is such a thing as honor, and whether we name it by its right name or not, we depend on it.

Honor is akin to the word "honest." We say a person is honest if he tells the truth about what he has done and seen in the past.

But when he gives his word about what he will do in the future, and then keeps it, we say that he has honor.

These days, we are judged by the mathematical formulae of credit ratings. We are given points according to how regular and timely our repayments are; it is an attempt to assess honor by keeping a history of how we have performed before.

But credit ratings only touch the surface of honor.

It is honor that causes a football player at the bottom of a heap of players to refrain from pushing the ball just those couple of inches that would make it seem that it had broken the plane of the goal line.

It is honor, in a game of pickup basketball, that makes a player say, "I traveled," when no one noticed it but himself.

It is honor that keeps a married man from flirting with a woman who is not his wife. It is honor that holds parents to their responsibility to their children, sacrificing much so their children can thrive. It is honor that makes adult children care for their aging parents to the grave.

It is honor that makes a child assume the debts of his parents, or a brother to pay the debts of his sibling.

It is honor that makes it possible for us to trust the word of other people, for we know that they would rather keep their word than bear the shame of breaking it.

But ... who acts that way anymore?

The Death of Individual Honor

We teach our athletes today that what the ref doesn't see didn't happen. Lie and win, we tell them.

As we also tell our businessmen: Cheat and win. If your company has so many lawyers that no one can afford to sue you, then you can violate your contracts and steal what you want, because no one has the power to make you stop. And when you've done it often enough, you'll be so rich that Time calls you Man of the Year and people treat you as if you were somebody.

As we tell our politicians: It's all right to accept a bribe that comes to you in the form of faked-up "trades" in cattle futures – the press is on your side; they'll let it go. And what the press doesn't speak about didn't happen.

The shame of shattered honor is only enforced when we don't like the person who fails to keep his word. "Read my lips: No new taxes," he said, and then we pressed and pushed until he broke his word. Then we had him. For the people who voted for him actually cared about honor, and it cost him votes. While his opponent, who had no honor, was supported by people who did not care about it, and were in fact counting on him to break his word.

Honor means you can be trusted. Dishonor means you can't.

The Honor of Parties

We had an election a few months ago. The Democratic Party achieved majorities in both houses of Congress, but it did not do so by promising to impose a deadline on a war that must be won no matter the length or cost. On the contrary, that majority was achieved only by running Democratic candidates who sounded as Republican as possible in districts that would never have voted for a Nancy Pelosi.

But now in the Congress, the Democrats are enforcing party discipline, so that even if any of those moderate-seeming Democrats were sincere before, they are required to vote against their promises. The Democrats can do this because the press likes the outcome of this breaking-of-word, and the Democrats believe they will pay no political price for being caught breaking promises.

They believe this because it has been true for 15 years. Honor is something Republicans believe in, so it can be used to destroy them. But because the elitists who run the Democratic Party don't care about honor, it costs the Democrats nothing to break their word.

As an embarrassed Democrat, I am ashamed of my party, because I know that at the grassroots level there are plenty of Democrats who care about honor and wish their party had any.

But as long as the press remains silent about Democratic dishonor while harping on any trumped-up charge they can lay against Republicans, it's hard for many people to believe that the dishonor really happened, or that anybody cares that it did.

That's why President Bill Clinton could fire all the US attorneys, but Bush can't fire eight of them. That's why Clinton could scoff at congressional subpoenas and pretend they had "lost" files they didn't want to hand over, while Bush is pummeled for refusing to respect congressional demands for things no Congress has ever claimed a right to have.

That's why the politically correct are the main censors and suppressors of free speech in our country today, the deniers of diversity and the elitist enemies of democratic process – and yet are able to claim credit for their tolerance and love of freedom, and the media, which they control, does not expose their shame.

Because they have no shame.

That's the sorry state of honor in America today. It is regarded as a relic that only matters to those dunderheads who still believe in God and morality and fairness and decency and all those other outmoded concepts. You know. Regular people. Not the cool, elite, smart people who all have identical – and completely unexamined – opinions.

So why is it any surprise that our nation is also on the verge of losing its honor?

The Honor of Nations

Nations, like individuals, either have honor, or they do not.

Nations with honor declare what they stand for and what they will and will not do – and then they do their best to live up to those standards and to carry out their promises.

Nations without honor promise whatever seems convenient, but demonstrate that they never intended to fulfill their promises, and that there is no action so debased that they will not do it.

And on this playing field, there is no referee to deceive. There are only the other players, who quickly learn what kind of player each nation is, and act accordingly.

We see it all the time. Israel and the Palestinians signed an agreement in Oslo. The Palestinians kept none of their promises and showed no sign that they ever meant to; indeed, Yasser Arafat made it plain to his own people that he had no intention of keeping his word.

Hardly anyone even bothered to translate his words into English. Because no one ever expected him to keep his word. We all knew what he was, and what a government he ruled would be: without honor, without decency, without standards.

But the Israeli government was expected to keep its word regardless of what the other side did, and they were damned as liars and wordbreakers when they did not keep going right on schedule despite their having received nothing in return except broken promises.

The same double standard has applied in the Iraq War. Any civilian death caused by American action becomes a cause for castigation; the abuse-without-torture of prisoners held by Americans at Abu Ghraib became a reason to condemn American soldiers.

Honorable actions by American soldiers, heroic efforts to risk their own lives in order to save civilians – those go virtually unreported, because that is what we expect of Americans.

On the other hand, murders of civilians by our enemies, deliberate as they are, seem to arouse no moral outrage; indeed, the press seems eager to excuse the perpetrators of terrorism.

When Iran seizes British sailors and lies about where they were when they were caught, the protests are almost perfunctory. If we did such a thing to, say, Chinese sailors, the international outrage would be deafening, and we would be on the verge of war.

The difference in response is because nobody expects Iran to behave like a decent, honorable nation. We know that every word they say might be and probably is a lie.

We know the list of nations we expect will only keep their word if it's to their immediate advantage: Iran. Syria. North Korea. Sudan. Cuba. (The list is longer, but I'll stop it here so I don't generate too much hate mail from those who wish to pretend that honor exists where everyone knows it does not.)

We also know the list of nations who are known to live up to their promises. They sent troops to fight beside ours in Afghanistan and Iraq.

But in all the world, only two nations that can be called major powers are known to stand by their word no matter what the cost: The United States of America and Great Britain.

We are held to a higher standard because we hold ourselves to that standard. Abu Ghraib shames us because we actually have honor; China does far worse things on a regular basis, everyone knows it, and nobody cares, because China has no high standard of treatment of its citizens and nobody expects them to, no matter what they claim.

Part of the reason we are a great power is that we are known as keepers of our word, relentless defenders of freedom and human rights.

We lost our honor once, when we withdrew from Vietnam with promises that we would continue to supply the South Vietnamese with the weapons to match those their enemies were receiving from the USSR.

But our Democratic Congress repudiated those promises and broke our national word. They voted to cut off our erstwhile allies, and as a result they had neither the ability nor the will to resist. Their nation fell and thousands were murdered, thousands fled and thousands were put in concentration camps – oh, pardon me, "reeducation centers."

Few were the Americans who faced up to what this meant about our national character. We had been dishonored. We had shown ourselves to be what Mao called us: a paper tiger.

Ronald Reagan did almost nothing to restore our honor. When he traded for hostages with Iran, when he withdrew our troops from Lebanon because of a terrorist attack without taking any further action, he showed that we were what the Democratic Congress had shown us to be at the end of the Vietnam War.

When a coup attempt was made in Moscow, George Bush Sr. responded just like Reagan – we started to make movements toward recognizing the coup leaders. It was only when Boris Yeltsin and his brave supporters stood against the tanks in Red Square that the coup collapsed.

But George Bush Sr. found his honor when Kuwait was invaded. "This will not stand," he said, and he put together the coalition that made it true.

Thus, after a couple of decades of being missing, we became, once again, a nation that kept its word.

Oh, wait. I forgot about that call for an uprising against Saddam Hussein after the Gulf War, which we then did nothing to support.

And about Rwanda, where we did nothing to save the Hutus even though any display of force would have stopped the genocide.

Oh, yes. Somalia, too.

Wow. Not much honor after all. Osama bin Laden saw it. He knew we had no staying power. Americans are all about honor – for a few minutes. But if you just keep killing Americans, eventually they'll give up and go away, because in the long run, Americans just don't believe in their honor enough to keep sacrificing in order to keep their word.

We're proving him right once again. Indeed, almost from the beginning of this war, the American elite – the people who are too cool to care about honor or patriotism, except when someone accuses them of not having any – have done all that was within their power to strip us of any sense of honor.

And now the Congress is usurping power it does not have. The Constitution does not give them the right to run wars or even end them – the president is the commander-in-chief during a war, and it is the president who negotiates the treaties to end wars, which Congress merely ratifies.

Congress absolutely ratified the waging of the Iraq campaign. Those who say that the ratification was based on deception are the liars – no one knew more than we were told about what was going on in Iraq, and when they say otherwise, they know they have no evidence and are making a false and dishonorable charge in order to achieve their political purpose.

(A heckler at one of my book signings declared to me recently that "Hans Blix knew there were no WMDs." This is utterly false. Hans Blix couldn't get into Saddam's Iraq to conduct reliable inspections. He might have believed that there were no WMDs, but that is not knowledge.

(Let's get one thing straight: A guess based on no evidence, which turns out to be correct, was not knowledge, it was just a guess. And a guess based on the best available evidence, which turns out to be wrong, does not become a lie, it remains nothing worse than a mistake.)

And regardless of whether you approved of invading Iraq when we did, the fact is that we did it, and we made vital promises, as a nation, to the people of Iraq and to all the freedom-yearning people in the Muslim world: Bet your lives on America, because we will bring you democracy and self-determination, while all that Osama or the Iranian theocrats will bring you is death and brutal oppression.

We gave our word.

The Cost of Dishonor

Now the Democrats in Congress are breaking their word to the American people (in the form of those candidates who pretended to be moderates when they are now proving they are not), in order to try to force President Bush to break our national word to Iraq and, in the long run, to the whole world.

If they succeed, here is where we'll be:

1. The power of the presidency will have been shattered, along with the Constitutional separation of powers. If Democrats think they can destroy the presidency while a Republican holds it, and then have all that power back when a Democrat has it, they are sadly mistaken.

2. We will be exposed to the whole world, once and for all, as an unreliable ally. Who will dare to bet on us again? It was hard enough to persuade Shiites in Iraq to trust us after President Bush Sr. did nothing to support them when they revolted against Saddam. It will be at least a generation, if ever, before we recover our national honor.

3. Our enemies will be so greatly encouraged by the fact that Osama was absolutely, completely right in his assessment of us, that their attacks against America and America's interests throughout the world will vastly increase in number. They will think this jihad is a war they can win – that they will be able to finish the job that was stopped at the gates of Vienna in 1660 – the Muslim conquest of the world.

(Anybody who still believes that nonsense about how jihad is a personal, internal struggle will find out what a stupid lie that is and always was. Islam prevails in this world only in places where force of arms conquered, or where the religion was forced on the people by their rulers. And there is no shortage of proof that the "conversion" of Europe will be a bloody one.

(And Islam has never been rolled back except by force of arms. Anybody who finds himself ruled by Muslim conquerors will suddenly discover that crusades are actually a pretty good idea – unless you want to convert to Islam yourself, of course.)

Even if the Democrats fail to force President Bush's hand, they are already arming our enemies with their most powerful weapon: The belief that America will act dishonorably.

Right now, seeing how Congress is behaving, listening to Nancy Pelosi's contempt for the Constitution and for President Bush's honorable effort to preserve the presidency and our national honor, even our allies have to wonder just how long they can trust America.

They can count. They know that the next election is only a year or so away. Isn't it time already to hedge their bets and prepare for the presidency of someone as honorless as Hillary Clinton?

And our enemies can watch CNN just like anybody else. They can hear the triumph in the voices of the anti-American reporters on CNN International: The Democrats will win, and America will surrender. Do you think that doesn't give them courage? Do you think that doesn't lead to more American deaths?

Our soldiers have won on every battlefield. If the American elite had supported them the way they supported our soldiers in World War II, our enemies would have seen a united America determined to keep the word of our president in defeating the forces of slavery and oppression. They would have grown discouraged.

Instead, our media and the Democratic Party and Hollywood have united to provide the maximum propaganda against our national honor and for our enemies' hope of victory.

Every American soldier has carried, not just his weapon and ammunition, but also the terrible weight of the dishonor of the loudest segment of our society. With that weight upon them, the surprise is that they have continued to perform so splendidly.

Supporting Our Troops

There are those in Congress who claim that they are "supporting" our troops by "letting them come home to their families."

This is the most dishonorable lie of all.

Of course our soldiers want to come home – when the job is done.

Nobody knows the problems as well as our soldiers do. But they are volunteers – poor souls, they're the ones who still believe in duty, honor and country. They joined up with the promise that when they were put in harm's way, it would be to accomplish something.

President Bush has kept that promise. He has used our military forces in the service of a noble and practicable cause. In the real world, democracies really have been established when they are protected, by force of arms, from enemy invasion and internal revolt.

But they have never succeeded when that protection is withdrawn. The enemies of democracy in Iraq are heavily supplied and trained from outside; what stands against them is the fledgling Iraqi defense force and the US and our few remaining allies.

If we leave, Iraqis will despair. It will either be surrender or civil war. And all who have tried to make democracy work will either have to flee or be murdered. We know that our enemies there have no qualms about killing anybody they want to.

The Democratic leadership in Congress doesn't care about the lives of our allies. They're just Arabs after all, and the American elite doesn't value foreign lives or foreign freedom, if by sacrificing them they can gain a temporary political advantage here at home.

And as for our own troops, let's not kid ourselves. Right now we have the chance to win the war against Islamic fascism while it can still be done relatively cheaply.

What about when Muslims are united against the whole world? What about when they are poised to exterminate Israel? What about when bloody war rages on the streets of Europe's cities? What about when terrorism returns to the malls and bus stations and port cities of America? What about when the nukes start blowing up on American or other free-world soil?

We will fight this war, whether we like it or not. But if we don't fight it now, when it's still cheap and our enemies are still weak, then we'll fight it later, when it's on American or allied soil, and the cost in blood – ours and theirs – will be appallingly higher.

The Democrats in Congress are not saving American lives. They're trying to fool us into giving them American votes in exchange for a promise of peace that they cannot keep.

We are at war whether we like it or not. We not only have to win in Iraq, we have to win in Iran, and very soon, or we will truly hate the cost we pay later, as an army of draftees instead of volunteers fights under far worse circumstances against a far more powerful enemy.

Remember the name "Nancy Pelosi." It will stand someday beside the name "Neville Chamberlain" in the pantheon of deluded fools whose poll-following stupidity led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of their own nation's citizens, and the deaths of millions of others who would have lived if those deluded fools had done what was necessary to preserve their national honor.


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1 posted on 04/13/2007 7:18:38 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: Tolik

“Ender’s Game” is one of the best science fiction books out there.


2 posted on 04/13/2007 7:19:18 AM PDT by Flightdeck
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To: Tolik; lepton

Thanks!


3 posted on 04/13/2007 7:24:07 AM PDT by Molly Pitcher (We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
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Combined ping to 2 ping lists


Nailed It!
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This ping list is not author-specific for articles I'd like to share. Some for the perfect moral clarity, some for provocative thoughts; or simply interesting articles I'd hate to miss myself. (I don't have to agree with the author all 100% to feel the need to share an article.) I will try not to abuse the ping list and not to annoy you too much, but on some days there is more of the good stuff that is worthy of attention. You can see the list of articles I pinged to lately  on  my page.
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This article will be posted permanently (eventually) on his The Ornery American website http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/index.html

Links: his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-orsonscottcard/browse  and archived here (it is a must go place for all new to OSC political writing): http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/index.html

His fresh articles appear in the Rhinoceros Times, Greensboro, NC: http://www.rhinotimes.com/greensboro/  (before being posted permanently on his The Ornery American website). Read his books/movies/and everything reviews: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/ 

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4 posted on 04/13/2007 7:24:12 AM PDT by Tolik (If you don't agree with me 102% of the time, then you're a RINO)
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Tolik, this article is so true, it hurts.

Character is doing the right thing, even when no one is watching.

My eyes teared up reading Mr. Card's article.

5 posted on 04/13/2007 7:24:59 AM PDT by Alia
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To: Tolik

Card is that relative rarity nowadays...a Democrat that gets it.

}:-)4


6 posted on 04/13/2007 7:28:21 AM PDT by Moose4 (What's the difference between Mike Nifong and toast? Right about now, nothing.)
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To: Flightdeck; All
Orson Scott Card is one of the best Sci-Fi writers. His Ender's series are enormously popular and translated to many languages. His websites attract attention of readers from all over the world.

Since 9/11 he wrote many political essays. He is a conservative democrat of Zell Miller type (there are still few left) who is upset with hijacking of his party by the Left. His articles are more inline with the FreeRepublic spirit than with his own political website: http://www.ornery.org/index.html  that is heavily populated by American- and other Leftists who are delightfully annoyed by Mr. Card's conservatism. He does not post on that site and its moderated by somebody else.

Links: his articles discussed at FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/k-orsonscottcard/browse  and archived here (it is a must go place for all new to OSC political writing): http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/index.html

His literary, non-political website: http://www.hatrack.com

His fresh articles appear in the Rhinoceros Times, Greensboro, NC: http://www.rhinotimes.com/greensboro/  (before being posted permanently on his The Ornery American website). Read his books/movies/and everything reviews: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/reviews/everything/ 

His "About" page: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/about.shtml

7 posted on 04/13/2007 7:28:32 AM PDT by Tolik (If you don't agree with me 102% of the time, then you're a RINO)
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This is from OSC? Seems like some of his writing was a bit odd. I will research and see. I have read almost all his books, including Ender’s Game series, but I remember something odd about his political views.


8 posted on 04/13/2007 7:28:51 AM PDT by devane617 (Let's take back our country -- get a job in the MSM, or education system. We need you.)
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To: Tolik

This man has it right, I don’t care what letter he has after his name, he hits it on the head.


9 posted on 04/13/2007 7:31:47 AM PDT by calex59
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To: Tolik

What a great essay by Card. He is right on the mark and it is disgusting to watch.


10 posted on 04/13/2007 7:33:11 AM PDT by RobFromGa (This tagline intentionally left blank.)
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To: Tolik

Onw would think that a man this perceptive would have abandoned the Democrat Party by now. But he’s right on. The only theme he didn’t develop was the honor of the military - the organization that keeps doing the job - regardless.


11 posted on 04/13/2007 7:36:53 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Orson... You continue to brilliantly outline precisely why it's so maddeningly illogical to remain a Democrat... What are you waiting for? An invitation?

Consider yourself officially invited to change parties. Become a Republican. Start using that powerful pen of yours among those who value and sustain your viewpoint.

Honor in the Democrat party has always been a scarce commodity, yet still undervalued due to lack of demand.

12 posted on 04/13/2007 7:37:49 AM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: Salem; GMMAC; fanfan; Clive; little jeremiah; wagglebee; Alouette; SJackson; Convert from ECUSA; ...

You should all read this. Long, but fantastic.


13 posted on 04/13/2007 7:39:29 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Tolik

BTTT this needs to be kept up top all day long.

I wish some would print 435 of them and tape one to the door of every member in the House.

OSC hit another one out of the park!


14 posted on 04/13/2007 7:41:59 AM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: Tolik

As an embarrassed Democrat, I am ashamed of my party, because I know that at the grassroots level there are plenty of Democrats who care about honor and wish their party had any.

The party leadership won’t do anything about this as long as they remain beholden to the move-on.org types, and a counter-coup happens and dethrons the 1968 people.


15 posted on 04/13/2007 7:42:01 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Tolik
those dunderheads who still believe in God and morality and fairness and decency and all those other outmoded concepts.

My name is sionnsar and I am a dunderhead.

16 posted on 04/13/2007 7:42:47 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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My name is Monk Dimittis and I am a dunderhead.
17 posted on 04/13/2007 7:45:34 AM PDT by Monk Dimittis
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To: TChris

How would anyone join the Republican Party for honor’s sake? I vote Republican because it is the lesser of two evils. A party that lets in a tide of unchecked immigrants to drive down wages of poor Americans for the benefit of the rich, without regard to social consequences, has at best a partial sense of honor.

Mrs VS


18 posted on 04/13/2007 7:47:08 AM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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My name is Clint Williams and I am proud to be a dunderhead, if this is what being a dunderhead means.


19 posted on 04/13/2007 7:48:19 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters!)
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To: Tolik
Outstanding "catch," Tolik! BTTT!!!
20 posted on 04/13/2007 7:49:16 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("On 11/07/06, 'true' conservatives and 'rat traitors joined forces to bring Sharia law to America.")
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To: Tolik

Perhaps Mitt could make OSC Secretary of State. :)


21 posted on 04/13/2007 7:56:51 AM PDT by Grig
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To: Tolik
A related quote I found somewhere:

"When life becomes an extended picnic, with nothing of importance to do, ideas of greatness become an irritant. Such is the nature of the Europe syndrome." -- Charles Murray

22 posted on 04/13/2007 7:58:28 AM PDT by ikka
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To: calex59

I sent him an email telling him how much I appreciate his worldview and writing.


23 posted on 04/13/2007 8:01:02 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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I just finished his latest novel, Empire, and this ping gives me the opportunity to transcribe a few interesting passages for my own records!The bottom line in this novel is that people who would otherwise "live and let live" are forced to choose sides and take up arms once they are being fired upon.

Card is the only major s.f. novelist who can create nearly believable Christian characters. As a Calvinist, I regard it as a standing reproach that God had to raise up this Latter Day Saint to glorify the name of Jesus in that usually hostile genre. Where are our novelists? That's right -- creating the ultimate in "escapist trash" literature, the "Left Below" series. Folks, I think we can do better -- and I'm willing to follow a Mormon's lead in this case.

24 posted on 04/13/2007 8:03:05 AM PDT by TomSmedley (Calvinist, optimist, home schooling dad, exuberant husband, technical writer)
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To: Tolik
But as long as the press remains silent about Democratic dishonor while harping on any trumped-up charge they can lay against Republicans,

This will continue to happen until Republicans refuse to bend over for it.

25 posted on 04/13/2007 8:10:14 AM PDT by RexTheRunt (No way to delay that trouble comin' every day.....)
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To: TomSmedley

I’m going out to buy the book today.

Thanks


26 posted on 04/13/2007 8:10:18 AM PDT by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: sionnsar; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
those dunderheads who still believe in God and morality and fairness and decency and all those other outmoded concepts.

My name is sionnsar and I am a dunderhead.

My name is Slings and Arrows, and I am a dunderhead.

27 posted on 04/13/2007 8:11:55 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows ("By the way... who is Ben Dayho?" --60Gunner)
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To: TomSmedley

I rather think that a Calvinist or any covenant Christian would not call the “Left Behind” books a product of “our” novelists.....btw I agree that the books are terrible.


28 posted on 04/13/2007 8:14:09 AM PDT by RexTheRunt (No way to delay that trouble comin' every day.....)
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To: Flightdeck

I still have to finish the ‘Ender’ series. I love it


29 posted on 04/13/2007 8:14:28 AM PDT by wastedyears ("These colours don't run, from cold bloody war." - Steve Harris, Bruce Dickinson)
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To: TChris

“Orson... You continue to brilliantly outline precisely why it’s so maddeningly illogical to remain a Democrat... What are you waiting for? An invitation?”

He doesn’t do it because he sees the Republican Party as the party of incomprehensibly stupid, shortsighted and greedy economic policies. He agrees with FDR, and sees the Republican economic agenda to try and dismantle Social Security, ship every last job to China because it’s so cheap, et al, as idiocy incarnate. And he is right.

He won’t become a Republican until the Republicans adopt rational economic views. But bad economics is THE CORE of the Republican Party. It was to preserve the domestic economic agenda, after all, that Bush eschewed going to Congress after 9/11 to get a full outright Declaration of War. THAT would have preserved national unity, but at the cost of a massive mobilization, and the tax hikes that would have entailed. The GOP core was ready to gamble on winning the war on a shoestring rather than back away from their economic agenda. The GOP economic agenda, and not the war, was always the President’s team’s priority.

Which is why we are losing the war. We didn’t commit to it at the start by actually declaring it. We didn’t commit the necessary resources to it. We didn’t, therefore, either maintain national unity OR win convincingly on the battlefield. Instead, unity is gone and the lack of battlefield success will force a withdrawal. The battle Bush WON was to keep the foolish tax cuts, the open trade door to China, and the open border for cheap exploitable labor.

That’s why folks like Card do not leave the corrupt and weak Democrats for the Republicans: because Democrats are a whole lot smarter than Republicans when it comes to managing the national economy and understanding what really makes sense for America in that regard.


30 posted on 04/13/2007 8:14:39 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Le chien aboie; la caravane passe.)
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To: Tolik
It's all right to accept a bribe that comes to you in the form of faked-up "trades" in cattle futures

Hmmmm.....who could he possibly be referring to?

31 posted on 04/13/2007 8:16:13 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: Tolik

Bookmarked


32 posted on 04/13/2007 8:16:15 AM PDT by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: Tolik

Yes, I think Orson Scott Card is a good SF novelist because he knows the difference between right and wrong, honor and dishonor, and that is necessary to write a novel that rises beyond being merely fun or clever.

I find that some of his series novels tend to go downhill as the series progresses. He is never a bad novelist, but some are better than others.

The best:

Ender’s Game
Wyrms
Seventh Son

While none of the novels in the Ender’s Shadow series ever quite comes up to Ender’s Game, the series as a whole is actually better than the first series, IMHO.

Wyrms isn’t as well known as Ender’s Game, but I heartily recommend it as possibly the best of all his novels.

And while the Alvin Maker series also goes down hill, I really like SEventh Son, the first novel.


33 posted on 04/13/2007 8:17:18 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sionnsar

My name is JRios and I, too, am a dunderhead...humbled that an all-powerful God would have such mercy on me.


34 posted on 04/13/2007 8:18:33 AM PDT by JRios1968 (Tagline wanted...inquire within)
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To: Tolik

Wow, just wow!


35 posted on 04/13/2007 8:19:19 AM PDT by Vor Lady (These aren't grey hairs, they are silver strands of motherliness!)
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To: Tolik

Does the author remain in the RAT Party? After this, he will lose his party card for sure. Pelosi will send her goons soon.


36 posted on 04/13/2007 8:26:16 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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To: sionnsar
My name is sionnsar and I am a dunderhead.

Hi sionnsar!

Is this where the DA (dunderhead's anonymous) meeting is?

37 posted on 04/13/2007 8:32:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts; CaptainAmiigaf; hiramknight
Ping.

Thought you might like to read this.

Orson Scott Card is a great writer and one my personal favorites.

38 posted on 04/13/2007 8:32:52 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Don't question faith. Don't answer lies.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Dunderheads Anonymous” — yup!


39 posted on 04/13/2007 8:33:40 AM PDT by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: Slings and Arrows; acad1228; AliVeritas; aomagrat; beachn4fun; BIGLOOK; blackie; bluesagewoman; ...
those dunderheads who still believe in God and morality and fairness and decency and all those other outmoded concepts.

My name is sionnsar and I am a dunderhead.

My name is Slings and Arrows, and I am a dunderhead.

My name is StarCMC and I am a dunderhead, too.

40 posted on 04/13/2007 8:34:34 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: Tolik
It is honor that makes it possible for us to trust the word of other people, for we know that they would rather keep their word than bear the shame of breaking it.

I believe trust is the primary ingredient in civil society. It's hard to create and easy to destroy. Nationalism, religion, and ethnicity all pale when compared to the cohesive social force of trust. Without honest citizens, community trust erodes. Eventually all social contracts aren't worth the paper they’re written on. America works because American mothers teach their children to stand up for what they believe in, no matter what. It's that kind of faith in the truth that can build a diverse nation of people who can disagree, yet still trust each other.

Great post

41 posted on 04/13/2007 8:35:28 AM PDT by humint (...stay focused.)
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To: Vicomte13
He doesn’t do it because he sees the Republican Party as the party of incomprehensibly stupid, shortsighted and greedy economic policies. He agrees with FDR, and sees the Republican economic agenda to try and dismantle Social Security, ship every last job to China because it’s so cheap, et al, as idiocy incarnate. And he is right.

So, it's your position that higher taxes, more social welfare and protectionist trade policies are the wisest economic course?

Sure. It works great for Europe, doesn't it?

Have you noticed that America has the highest standard of living in the whole world? ...and that it's increasing? I'd say that the proof is in the pudding. American capitalism and free trade work.

And what's with the "we're losing the war" crap? By what standard are we losing? How are you keeping score, that you conclude we're losing? You can't just throw out B.S. like that without something to back it up.

42 posted on 04/13/2007 8:35:43 AM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: StarCMC

BTTT


43 posted on 04/13/2007 8:37:12 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: StarCMC

Who is calling Bahbah a dunderhead????


44 posted on 04/13/2007 8:37:20 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Tolik

If all Democrats were like Orson Scott Card, this world would be a much better place. There’d be a lot less hate between the parties, and America would be a much stronger nation.


45 posted on 04/13/2007 8:42:48 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Vicomte13
That’s why folks like Card do not leave the corrupt and weak Democrats for the Republicans: because Democrats are a whole lot smarter than Republicans when it comes to managing the national economy and understanding what really makes sense for America in that regard.

I wouldn't say that - it's just that he recognizes the Republicans are just as hopelessly corrupt as the Democrats, so why bother changing at this late date?

46 posted on 04/13/2007 8:51:35 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Steel Wolf
OSC ping
47 posted on 04/13/2007 8:51:50 AM PDT by MrNatural ("...You want the truth!?...")
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To: Tolik; SLB; Cannoneer No. 4; Lion Den Dan

Wow. Card at his best.

A few pings.


48 posted on 04/13/2007 8:58:19 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Tolik

Wow.


49 posted on 04/13/2007 8:58:41 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: thinkthenpost
I wish some would print 435 of them and tape one to the door of every member in the House.

That is actually a great idea. Then print out some more and take them over to the Senate. Have Harry Reid pass them out.

50 posted on 04/13/2007 9:00:50 AM PDT by Bahbah (Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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