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Creationist museum challenges evolution (Warning: Probably critical).
BBC ^ | Saturday, April 14, 2007 | Martin Redfern

Posted on 04/16/2007 1:45:42 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu

For some a battle between science and religion is being fought for the soul of America. The Creationists argue God created the world in six days and want their beliefs given equal status to evolutionary science.

Eugenie Scott and Ken Ham
Across the divide - evolutionist Scott with creationist Ham

Petersburg, Kentucky, is in the middle of North America. It is supposedly within a day's drive of two-thirds of the US population.

For the rest, it is just 10 minutes from Cincinnati International Airport. That is why it was picked as the site for a new museum, due to open in a couple of months.

We enter the landscaped grounds through gates flanked by wrought iron stegosaurs.

The lobby is modelled on a cliff in the Grand Canyon. But this is no ordinary museum of science and geology.

It is the dream of Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, a Christian ministry that promotes the idea that the Biblical book of Genesis should be taken literally in describing the creation of the world, life and humans as carried out by God over a six-day period a few thousand years ago.

We get as far as the museum bookshop - already well-stocked with creationist titles - but no further.

Officials tell us that state regulations forbid it. It is still under construction and closed to visitors.

In the card game of creationism, the Bible trumps science every time


Eugenie Scott

Is this, I wonder, because I am accompanied by Eugenie Scott, director of the National Centre for Science Education and a polite but determined campaigner against attempts to teach creationism alongside evolution in American school science classes.

Sharp teeth

So, it is round the back to the offices, to receive Ken Ham's crushingly sincere handshake.

He came to the US from Australia 20 years ago, founded Answers in Genesis and never left.

He lectures or broadcasts almost daily and clearly has the charisma to raise $27m (£14m) for this ambitious museum.

He is also not afraid to show us what is inside, and turns on the animatronic dinosaurs.

Tyrannosaurus - picture from BBC's Walking with Dinosaurs
Creationists say T. rex and the humans co-habited Earth

On a rocky ledge, there is a pair of small theropods - young T. rex individuals, we're told. And near to them ("hold onto your hat", says Ken, anticipating our disbelief) there are two human children playing by a stream.

Most geologists would say humans and dinosaurs were separated by more than 60 million years. And those dinosaurs have very sharp teeth!

"So do bears", says Ken, "but they eat nuts and berries! Remember, before the sin of Adam, the world was perfect. All creatures were vegetarian." One of the dinosaurs lets out a rather contradictory roar.

Everyone is entitled to their beliefs, but what annoys Eugenie Scott is the way in which the received wisdom of Genesis is given equal or higher status to scientific evidence; and the way in which the latter is used selectively.

"In the card game of creationism, the Bible trumps science every time," she says.

But in her game, science is dealt a hand that is purely materialistic. Ideas of a supernatural being belong in a different game, be it philosophy or theology.

A panda glove puppet
"Steve Steve" the panda is intended as a parody

As we prepare to leave, Eugenie Scott quietly slips a panda glove puppet from her handbag and photographs it among the dinosaurs.

It is introduced to me as Professor Steve Steve. Creationists are fond of lists of "scientists who doubt Darwin".

Many thousands more support evolution, but rather than play the same game, Eugenie has parodied the lists by concentrating on scientists named Steve (Stephanies are also eligible).

So far, more than 700 have signed up. Their mascot is a panda because of a notorious creationist text entitled "Of Pandas and People".

Steve was picked in honour of the late evolutionary biologist Stephen J Gould. Steve Steve because - well, all pandas have double names.

Noah's Ark

Much of the Creation Museum in Kentucky is still under construction and we were not able to go on to see the section through Noah's Ark or the model of the Grand Canyon.

Instead, we visited the real thing - the Canyon, not the Ark!

For the creationists, Noah's flood IS science

Grand Canyon park guides will tell you that the canyon took more than a million years to form and cuts through rocks that span more than a billion years.

Not so, say "Young Earth" creationists. All those rocks were deposited by flood waters at the time of Noah.

Though the Bible does not mention them directly, Ken Ham thinks there is no reason to suppose that dinosaurs were not still around at the time of the flood.

Indeed, he speculates that two of each may have been taken aboard the Ark (newly hatched dinosaurs are quite small so fitting them in would not have been a problem).

And what about the animals from other continents? Did Noah sail to Australia to drop off the kangaroos?

No, the flood waters lubricated a process called runaway subduction in which the continents subsequently drifted apart at a sprint!

Challenged with this scenario, a uniformed park guide says that, while everyone is entitled to their belief, he prefers to stick to accepted science.

For the creationists, Noah's flood IS science.

For them, the Canyon is a gash in the surface of the Earth left by that flood, representing the wrath of God against the sins of mankind.

Here at least, sin and anger have turned into something surprisingly beautiful!

From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 14 April, 2007 at 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.





TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antiscience; creation; creationism; creationist; creationmuseum; crevo; crevolist; eugeniescott; evolution; humor; isthisfromtheonion; kenham; macroevolution; museum; pointofview; yecapologetics
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Haven't read it completely yet. Guessing it will be somewhat insulting.
1 posted on 04/16/2007 1:45:43 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu
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To: editor-surveyor; DaveLoneRanger

ping.


2 posted on 04/16/2007 1:46:39 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Yep. It's biased from the first paragraph.

Eugenie Scott could be cordial, but is also weaselly, beating around issues and playing the innocent bystander/victim (saw her in a debate).

3 posted on 04/16/2007 1:50:08 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Not only is Redfern biased in his reporting, some of his "Creationist" explanations could be downright libel.

At least the article on the BBC website has a link.

4 posted on 04/16/2007 1:54:33 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: wagglebee
ping.

This might not be a topic for your moral absolutes list, but it should be.

5 posted on 04/16/2007 1:57:27 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
"Creationist museum challenges evolution (Warning: Probably critical)."

Not critical enough of this moron.

6 posted on 04/16/2007 2:08:02 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

An obviously not so bright yet pompose and intellectualy pretensious Englishwoman named Euginie, accompanied by her sock puppet steve steve descends upon the back-woods denizens of Kentucky and sneaks into their dinosaur shrine with a BBC film crew. This is P.G. Wodhouse, Right?


7 posted on 04/16/2007 2:26:55 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
On your Freeper homepage, Jedi, you write, “Every Christian should be a Creationist.”

Nope, sorry. This Christian is beginning to think this whole debate was dreamed up by H. L. Mencken to discredit the intelligence of the faithful.

And it may be true that Darwin’s concept of evolution will remain a theory, unproven and unprovable, or that another theory will come along that more completely explains the dynamics of life over time, but the approach used to formulate that theory is based on the gathering of empirical evidence, careful reasoning, thought, not literal interpretation of sacred text. If we relied upon the Old Testament as the wellspring of science, there would be no light bulb, no cure for smallpox, no anything.

Faith and reason are not incompatible. The Bible is not a science textbook. Genesis is clearly, obviously allegorical.

8 posted on 04/16/2007 2:44:07 AM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

At least the arguments are well centered.


9 posted on 04/16/2007 2:54:16 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: js1138

Formatting fixed?


10 posted on 04/16/2007 2:54:49 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: nkycincinnatikid

‘An obviously not so bright yet pompose and intellectualy pretensious Englishwoman named Euginie’

She’s an American educated at an American university and working for an American organisation.

She may be intellectually pretentious, but she’s evidently less intellectually challenged than someone who thinks homo sapien children and T-rex used to run around together 6000 years ago. . . .


11 posted on 04/16/2007 3:11:36 AM PDT by britemp
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Check later to see if this evolves placemark


12 posted on 04/16/2007 3:15:55 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

“The Creationists argue God created the world in six days and want their beliefs given equal status to evolutionary science. “

It’s not just their beliefs. It’s The Word Of God, which will be standing unchanged when the Rock of Gibralter crumbles into powder.

Who are you going to believe - “scientists”, so called, who adjust (change) their story regularly whenever something new (old) gets dug up, or God, who never lies?


13 posted on 04/16/2007 4:11:30 AM PDT by RoadTest (Get our Marines out of Pendleton's Kangaroo court!)
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To: RoadTest
Who are you going to believe - “scientists”, so called, who adjust (change) their story regularly whenever something new (old) gets dug up, or God, who never lies?

Science, of course.

What you posit as a weakness (adjusting a theory based upon newer, more compelling evidence), is actually science's greatest strength.

14 posted on 04/16/2007 4:19:52 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: britemp

Sorry , I guess her Mary Poppins outfit led me to err.


15 posted on 04/16/2007 4:39:46 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Thanks, but for the most part I stay away from the Crevo threads nowadays.


16 posted on 04/16/2007 4:44:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Actually, something as silly as a so-called creationist museum doesn't challenge the science of evolution at all but it sure does make some money off of ignorant head in the sand suckers who would like to think it does.
17 posted on 04/16/2007 5:20:53 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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I’m thinking it will prosper for a few years, sort of like this...

http://sbno.illicitohio.com/heritage/heritage01.html


18 posted on 04/16/2007 5:38:32 AM PDT by js1138 (The absolute seriousness of someone who is terminally deluded.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

Deservedly.


19 posted on 04/16/2007 6:19:36 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
The Creationists argue God created the world in six days and want their beliefs given equal status to evolutionary science.,p>I stopped reading right here.

Some people have just way too much time on their hands. And no normal job.

I, like most Christians, believe in the Creation, and also in evolution. No incompatibility in my mind whatsoever, nor the need to "convert" anyone to my way of thinking. I know most Christians easily hold a similar position.

The driving force behind this sort of artificial conflict continues to be, in my opinion, the deviants, the perverts and their supporters.

20 posted on 04/16/2007 7:19:07 AM PDT by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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