Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin
Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall
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The way kids are today (and their behavior proves them still “kids”, not adults), perhaps we should move it BACK to 21. (Let’s recall it WAS higher, please - funny, in days when men behaved like men at the age of 15.)
After all, if you’re all for “rights”, then you should not object to there being no age limit on voting. Why not go all the way? Any child that can and wants to vote should be allowed to.
Good point about the security. Then let’s add security at the entrances to their campi. Most do have campus police, though.
And as so many are wont to ignore, please note I do think other adults working on campus should be allowed. I know, probably not good enough, but then, why is just security personnel at defense plants and so on good enough?
Really Glad you are okay and safe man.
the girlfriend and the R/A? Oh, Nancy Grave will be all over that.
That was not the information at hand. Giuliani's first instinct in immediate response to the terrorist incident was to call for broadly applied national gun control. Period. Your spin is inaccurate and just plain stupid.
Right. I'm not implying 9mm isn't a lethal caliber it's just that I think it's harder to kill with one when used indiscrminantly than, say, a 7.62.
I also think that if backed up against a wall it would be easier to make a decision to rush the shooter who is holding two pistols than a AK. Psychologically.
9mm is good for killing europeans. For dangerous people, use a 45 ;)
If it was a rampage, it was a pretty damn efficient rampage.
The Constitution still applies to campus rules. Va Tech is a government school.
There was the initial report of one fatality in the early shooting and another report that the initial confrontation was with a girlfriend and the RA who tried to intervene. Is the girlfriend dead or the RA or both? If it is true that there was only one fatality then there would be one live witness or victim to the initial encounter.
Perhaps. Occam’s Razor and all.
However, there’s something about the story line that doesn’t pass the smell test.
It seems odd that having killed his girlfriend in the heat of passion, the perp could come up with a chillingly perfect plan to commit mass murder and acquire the means to do so, all in a two hour period when the campus was ostensibly locked down.
No matter. This could happen at any school, anywhere, and there but for the grace of God go we.
My prayers are with the families & friends of those killed and injured, and with the students & community of Blacksburg, who are no doubt shaken to the core by this. My daughter lives in Blacksburg and she is very rattled by this.
Re the identity of the shooter - the silence could make sense if the June 2006 bomber turned out to be the shooter. A) the police had him before and B) the campus knew of bomb threats.
So probably wouldn’t be so quick to release info until track down how that might have happened.
Of course, I am not saying it is definitely the same person - just trying to figure out what happened.
News saying it was a student of the school that did the shooting. Not an outsider.
The quarrel could have been about his plans for that morning.
In the recent mall shooting, the gunman dropped hints to his girlfriend the night before (IIRC). Maybe something like that happened here, only the girl figured out his intent and freaked out. At this point, who knows?
Get every available LEO on the opposite side of the campus....walk into a dorm 1 mile away...chain the doors (premeditation) and start killing people like fish in a barrel
Makes sense.
Student shooter...an Asian male...
I noticed this in April 1996 when the Valu Jet crashed in the swamp. It was the 2d April in a row that a tragedy happened. The April before that, the OK City bombing happened. A few Aprils later came Columbine. Now this murder spree at Tech.
Whatever chief.
"If you READ my post, perhaps you’d notice that I even said faculty, et al (RESPONSIBLE mature adults) should be allowed to carry."
I read your post. All the women I've known that were raped, killed, carjacked+ weren't faculty. They were students. I don't respect your judgment that 21y/os are not to be considered responsible adults. Nor do I respect your opinion that college students in general are irresponsible.
" It’s the TRUTH that courts and government building AND DEFENSE PLANTS, etc, have NO-WEAPONS rules, for damn good reason."
A defense plant is a target in itself. A school is an institution for learning and the targets are the folks that attend the institution, especially women. Your ability to analyze and compare the 2 situations is not very good. A school is no different than a mall, gas station, or home, since many of the students live there.
" I believe in total freedom with some logical, LOW-LEVEL exceptions. We’re not talking state-wide bans, here. Tiny areas."
There is nothing logical about banning the possession of guns on school grounds. If the person is 18 they right to own and possess a rifle, should not be infringed, same with a pistol if they're over 21. That's the way it had been prior to the '60s peace BS. That's when the right to have firearms in one's dorm and vehicle began to be infringed. Folks live at school. It is their home. There is no logical reason to infringe upon their rights, only emotional reasons. The only things that died when I had a gun on my dorm were squirrels and ducks. That's the way it has been traditionally until the grabber crowd began demonizing the gun and anyone who owns one.
FNC is reporting the GW Univ. sent out emails to be on alert
What is that about??
“You just admitted some of your government places are no-weapons zones.”
Government places with strictly controlled entrance points, and metal detectors.
The way kids are today (and their behavior proves them still “kids”, not adults), perhaps we should move (the voting age) BACK to 21. (Let’s recall it WAS higher, please - funny, in days when men behaved like men at the age of 15.)
Maybe you should stop getting your impression of 19-year-olds from the mainstream media.
I know plenty who are responsible, mature adults. I'm sure there are also plenty who aren't, but there's no shortage of irresponsible 40-year-olds, but no lover of freedom would suggest that we start taking away their rights.
We need fewer restrictions on liberty, not more.
I think that was a "misreport" from several of the news articles, but that in fact one of the students who tackled the shooter had a weapon trained on him when they tackled him. I'll have to find my "gun ping" information for that one.
Uninformed?
I’m not even 40.
I was in college just 15 years ago and I had the same opinion then. I was that age, you know.
Now, we commonly have RIOTS where people get killed and people’s property and livelihoods are ruined because these spoiled brats are upset their team lost.
And it’s not just “certain kinds” of college towns, either.
Of course this is all hyperbole, but it is CLEAR to me, and I lived through it (as did my brother 10 years older), that “selfish hedonist” is a good description of far too many college students now. Their % of the college population is great enough to cause problems if things get crazy - which they frequently do.
No one noticed the RA & the girlfriend was dead for over 2 hours?
Where'd you hear that?
The June 2006 bomb-maker was a student, apparently asian.
Uh-oh ... I have a feeling this is not going to be a "clean grief" aftermath ... controversy, politicization, and lawsuits will abound.
For now, though, God bless the hurting families ... and the injured.
I too believe that this incident may have been a planned event. The shooter certainly was familiar with the campus. Whether he was a student, a staff member or an outsider is open to question. A large campus like VMI is wide open for anyone to enter. It is still hard to believe the entire campus was not shut down after the first shooting incident. I also hope other university campuses around the country improve their own security. I recently visited Stanford Univ. and all facilities were wide open to visitors.
This story is circulating around the globe, and still no shooter ID.
I personally find that odd. If he was a student, surly his name would have been leaked, or reported by now.
It would seem if the shooter had any connection to the campus, a girl friend at the campus etc, someone would have ID'd him by now.
I know. I also know looking at regional ethnic features doesn’t tell you much else about the person except where his ancestors came from, nothing about what he believed...
If you don’t mind, I’m headed that way shortly. Could I impose on you to post anything you hear in this regard?
Many thanks.
Not to parse but Valu Jet was May 11, 1996.
The fact that law enforcement would be silent isn’t shocking ... that would be expected ...
it’s that the media hasn’t gotten any wiff of anything from any of the students that knew/knows the girlfriend. Law enforcement couldn’t keep these kids under lock and key ... and we know the media is getting alot of talk from students.
That’s the source I’d expect, the friends or classmates of the girl in question.
I started to follow this from noon on and found, gulp, MSNBC had the best coverage. Fox was so out of it that it was pathetic.
One fact came to the fore for me immediately. The wind is atrocious here and I am north of you. They mentioned no choppers in or out meaning that some could not be evacuated to major trauma centers (as in Charlottesville). Also, even the big brass coming to assist had to drive in instead of fly.
In your gut, do those on scene think this lack of aerial movement was kind of a “force multiplier?” Also, why did this “beast” chain the doors in the one building; that sounds pre-meditated to me.
Frank
Good luck with that.
The Democrats would like it lowered to age 16...even 12.
I work at Tech and the story I’ve heard is that the boyfriend himself spent the night with the girlfriend and that they got in an argument in the morning. When others in the dorm came to her “rescue” he pulled a gun and killed the girlfriend. The RA then came to help and was shot in the foot. No idea whether this is true, but it’s what I heard.
for anybody who is interested, I have started a prayer thread for this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1818298/posts
Asian or ME?? The only thing that matters now is his religion.
Pray for W and Va Tech
LOL
Don’t know. All they said was Asian. Not naming the insane little bastard yet.
In hindsight, not a very good escape mechanism...but sure is a helpful aid for somebody up to no good.
How’s your fruit vendor today?
no they’re not.
do a search with is name on www.dogpile.com, and 60+ articles come up.
Janaka Nuwan Kumara Siriwardena
Here’s something else that’s weird. Assuming that the shooter has been killed, there’s no “legal case” to be made here. Why be so stingy on details?
Does anyone remember how long it was after Columbine that Harris and Klebold’s names were released?
It's not about your comfort, it's about the right of others to defend themselves. And it's about the Constitution, which protected the right of the people to keep and bear arms.
Who gives a 'Rat's pattootie if you are comfortable or not?
Is there a link to this???
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