Posted on 04/16/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by LexHoskin
Gunman on Campus; Stay inside your building, away from windows; Shooting incident at West Ambler Johnston Hall
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Well thank you.
Aside from you, I’ve been taking it on the chin (excepting 1 reasonable dissenter). Don’t talk about “student gun ban” or “irresponsible collegiates” here. Just lie low.
;-)
Bill Sammon on Fox right now. Two of his children are students at Virginia Tech. One a freshman the other a senior. Both are safe.
see my post #517
Excellent questions
Sammon
Jamaat ul Fuqra territory.
What a coincidence, The Islamic Student Assembly at Virginia Tech site is down as well.
I can’t believe people are still entertaining this angry boyfriend theory. People really do believe anything the TV tells them to believe. Even if it does defy all logic and reason.
Any ID on that “Asian” shooter yet? I didn’t think so...
Oh for crying out loud, sheesh....let's consider for a moment: Up until that day, our country had never had a kamikaze incident involving a jet on our own soil...kamikaze missions had pretty much become a thing of the past after WWII...kamikaze missions usually involved combat aircraft, not commercial jetliners...Americans flying on commercial jets in domestic American flights had never been hijacked before...now, where was it that those folks were supposed to be trained to react to that particular situation?
One inch knife, huh? How many of them? Just one weapon, is that right? Even so, a couple of hijackers working in concert could slice the necks of two or three passengers--even if all they had was just one knife. That might give the other passengers pause, no? Always keeping in mind that, unlike the passengers of Flight 93, those people had NO REASON to believe that the whole flight (and thousands of lives on the ground) was in jeopardy.
But I bet you're some kind of hero. Good for you. Hope that works out okay.
BTW--"scheduled programming" is just my way of pointing out that we've strayed from the topic.
I'm not sure .. though I have no doubt there will be a bunch of stories before the facts are all known and reported on
Should be interesting what they find in the now smoking in hell bastards room/house/car/computer/etc.
AP now confirms campus email warning was 2 hours late after the first shooting in the womens dormitory.
Lets see, First off you have to put a big fence around the campus like a prison. Then you are going to have to search everyone who enters and you are going to have to do periodic searches of the entire campus itself. Now are you going to include all the housing and what about the off campus housing?
Fine, bigger fence, more guards, less privacy, probably strip searches and cavity checks. Now is it anymore secure or is it a trap? Do you really think it is possible to completely secure an University Campus? I can get an armory on board an airplane right now. For the moment lets pretend you can secure the school.
So now let us get 19 suicide attackers, they attack one of the check points, kill the guards and start shooting anyone they see. The thirty thousand students have no where to run, no place to hide. I guess the question becomes how many bullets can the terrorists carry in a truck?
Would you go to this prison, err school?
That was damn tricky,
and now all the copycats
know how to do it . . .
What's different is only the fact that deamonization of gun ownership has advanced, because of the efforts of the bliss ninnies. The nature of the students has not changed.
"The campus has a right to disallow someone to bring in a gun, just as a house owner or restaurant owner has a right to disallow smoking in their property"
No. It's a dorm, so folks live there and it's a govm't dorm, so the Constitution applies. The right to self defense still exists on govm't property. "As for all this defensiveness about college KIDS (and I emphasize that term), forget it. We were all that age and most of us, including me, were IN college. Spare me the “discrimination” nonsense; we were ALL of that “group”. I have an inkling of what it was like, and that was a while ago. Worse now, and it’s clear if you even watch the news."
The dorm myself and others had guns in was known as the zoo and alcohol was consumed there on many occasions. Your deamonization of college students is as repulsive as the deamoniziton of blacks was when they were disarmed under the law. Bigotted catch all demeaning of blacks was used to disarm them with the first gun control laws, which were later extended to whites that weren't of the privileged political class.
Third world macho types, particularly when they have an elevated ego, are very likely to go nuts when their property dares to defy them. Christ, any culture capable of “honor killings” is capable of anything.
Still waiting to find out what this guy is. If he is muslim like the Trolly Square shooter, expect the whole story to end up buried. Sounds far fetched, but if the MSM has to admit that a Muslim did it, they know the people will choose the sensible option at last, and they don’t want that!!
Your spelling is way better then mine .. Thanks
I’m going back to my corner now :0(
I am still stunned by the wind today! Nothing is flying! No choppers are getting in or out on most of the East Coast. So, all those injured had to be treated locally and not at distant trauma centers equipped for such high velocity bullet wounds.
That spooks me! As you mentioned, people who are PO’d go “postal.” They don’t chain the doors and wear bullet proof vests.
IMHO
If they have any reason to believe that there may have been a conspiracy, or accomplices, then they would tread carefully.
Too much time has passed. Too many involved, too many saw the shooter, yet still no ID on the shooter, no leaks from witnesses, no ID reports from the media.
Based on this lack of ID, it would seem to point to an unknown shooter, or someone that was not connected to the campus. Then again, I know as much as anyone else here.
The American Revolution (Started with Paul Revere's Ride: April 18-19 April 1775)
The American Civil War (Started April, 1861, ended April, 1865, thus "Across Five Aprils")
The Bosnian War began in the first days of April, 1992
The Rwandan Genocide began in April, 1994
The Armenian Genocide began in April 24, 1914
Other events that have occurred in the month of April include:
President Abraham Lincoln's assassination (April 14, 1865)
The Frank Slide (April 29, 1903)
The 1906 San Francisco Earthquake (April 18, 1906)
The sinking of the RMS Titanic (April 14-15 April 1912)
The Armenian Genocide (April 24, 1915)
Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination (April 4, 1968)
Super Tornado Outbreak (April 3-4, 1974)
Chernobyl nuclear accident (April 26, 1986)
The 1992 Los Angeles Riots after the Rodney King verdict (April 29, 1992)
The bloody end to the Branch Davidian siege in Waco, Texas (April 19, 1993)
The Oklahoma City Bombing (April 19, 1995)
In Lebanon, at least 106 Lebanese civilians are killed when the Israel Defense Forces shell
the UN compound at Qana (see Qana Massacre). (April 18, 1996) The Port Arthur massacre in Tasmania, Australia (April 28, 1996)
The Columbine High School massacre in Littleton, Colorado (April 20, 1999)
The 2007 Virginia Tech shooting in Blacksburg, Virginia (April 16, 2007).
Don’t ever post such a horrendous comment to me again. I have already stated that I’m not going to discuss guns on campus anymore today.
Thanks. I remember that every time I moved for the Army (which was in the Spring), something bad happened.
I understand all that.
And I’ll say it again as I had some 3x already: we were all that age so please spare the “discrimination”-type arguments. I’ve lived that and I wasn’t proud of my generation as a whole, much less how it is now, which watching “March-Madness riots” on news only affirms. The stories are far too many.
Again, consider the right of the campus to determine what comes on its property. No 18yo is being denied a gun, they’re being denied carrying it on someone’s property. There is nothing wrong with that.
You can argue whether it’s smart for the campus to do so (I’m thinking it might be), but frankly, the campus pretty much has the right to say what goes on on its property.
Maybe. Time will tell.
Muhammad and Malvo were described as two white guys in a box truck until the very end.
The murder of the “girlfriend” could have been a decoy, disposing of a witness, or a lover’s quarrel gone wrong.
If it was known that girl X was killed by her boyfriend at 7 am - and it seems that is the consensus, it’s hard to see why a name should not be known already. It’s not hard on a college campus to find out that girl X is dating boy y, and surely the kids seem to be cooperating very nicely with the media. And still no name. Why? There’s no presumption of innocence here - the perp is dead.
Chains, kevlar vests, numerous rounds of ammo, etc? It just seems like a stretch to assume that the first murder caused the second attack. Something doesn’t make sense.
Is that a mug shot?
Thanks for the report.
Amazing that reporters are too dumb to ask the right questions.
If you were listening to MSNBC, ping to 1733. Did you hear the eye-witness account from some student named “Trey?”
Another funny thing ... WSLS was just talking aboout this and they say whether the shooter was male or female, faculty, student, or someone else is even known for sure.
32 confirmed dead by NBC feed room account, 3 in critical condition at Roanoke Carilion hospital.
LOLOLOL>...Katie and Hillary BOTH just feel like they have to get their fat faces into everything.
I am surprised Hillary didn’t leave her meeting with the Rutgers basketball team to go to this...
think about columbine though....those kids didn’t have a middle east connection. if it isn’t terror, and i don’t think it was, this guy has probably had a huge chip on his shoulder for a long time. all it took was someone to set off the final explosion and he took it out on everyone. it is so tragic.
maybe the reason why they are waiting to ID him is to finish the process of notifying his family, etc.
The American Revolution (Started with Paul Revere's Ride: April 18-19 April 1775)
The Bosnian War began in the first days of April, 1992 The 1906 San Francisco Earthquake (April 18, 1906)
Chernobyl nuclear accident (April 26, 1986)
The 1992 Los Angeles Riots after the Rodney King verdict (April 29, 1992)
Yep. I became ominously aware that April was a bad month several years ago.
You MIGHT be able to do that at a very small school that isn't actually inside a town. But at Virginia Tech, for example, the campus is 2600 acres, with over 25,000 undergrads and thousands more grad students, faculty, and staff. It sprawls over a huge area, right up against downtown Blacksburg on one side and out into open country on the other. Important streets and highways (including US 460, the main highway that connects Blacksburg to Interstate 81) run adjacent to or through campus. There's no way you can secure that without turning it into either a prison or an Army base.
}:-)4
Copycat of the Amish massacre?
Not only did I get through, but sure enough, the first listed article that mentions women is waaaay down at #8, and not-at-all-ironically titled "Women in Islam, A brief article".
She cancelled the Rutgers meeting due to bad weather in NJ
Now *that’s* funny!!!!!
True, but it's not a ridiculous sequence of events given the timeline. There was a two hour gap between the dorm shootings and the classroom shootings. I suspect he went home during that time. Not hard to imagine the following:
1. Boyfriend gets angry at girlfriend for whatever reason, shoots and kills her.
2. Rushes out of the dorm, shooting at those who come to investigate.
3. Gets away before police arrive. He did not barricade himself at this time.
4. Goes home and, angry and thinking his life is over, grabs his guns and ammo and heads back to the classrooms, to go out in a blaze of glory.
Yep, right when I had to file my first tax return.
Thanks Cindy...you are GOOD.
More likely they’ve all been told NOT to ask the right questions.
Pity.
Precisely. There is way more going on here.
“Wars that started/ended in April include:”
Isn’t that why the month before is called March?
Life gets curiouser and curiouser . . .
in increasingly dreadful and predictable ways . . .
Almost on schedule.
or is that . . . on schedule.
do you mean Bill Sammon by any chance?
So very true. I'm guessing he easily shot twice as many rounds as targets hit. A kid his age away at college just doesn't typically have that kind of hardware just laying around the house, so to speak. I'd say this required several days of preparation and cold calculated planning. He had to have bought several boxes of ammunition, I hadn't heard that he was wearing a vest, but he would have had to have purchased that too. In Blacksburg VA you don't just run out to the NRV Mall and pick up a vest. He had to buy several magazines to have loaded up for the attack, and I wonder where/how he got the weapons. This entire thing has premeditation written all over it.
Yes, I did but it was on a radio station as I ran up on an errand. When they came back from an advert, “Trey” was gone and some other kid was on. They didn’t reconnect with “Trey.”
I thought it may have been because the kid was doing non-stop interviews around the country.
DC Channel 4 (NBC) said this just in... police have not ID’d the shooter, are having difficulty, can’t get fingerprints (that’s what the head said, but I think he meant no prints on file anywhere), had no ID on himself, and was not carrying a cellphone.
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