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To: jude24
Those laws allowed children born within nine months of a predeceased parent to inherit. That did not give them any substantive rights, however, until such time as they were born!

This is just incorrect. Perhaps you don't regard property as a substantive right, but besides that, what do you think the common law term, life in being actually means? Clusty en ventre sa mere.

...Two cases decided in the late eighteenth century are representative of English common law. Doe v. Clarke held that an unborn child is one of the "children living" at the time of a testator's demise, and Thellusson s'. Woodford enumerated fetal rights as including recovery, execution, devise and injunction. American courts were not hesitant to pick up the English common law, as evidenced by Hall v. Hancock in 1834 when it was held that a grandson born almost nine months after the testator's death was a beneficiary under a bequest to such grandchildren "as may be living at my death."

In America, Crisfotd v. Starr established the rule that an infant en ventre sa mere is deemed in esse for the purpose of taking an estate in remainder the same as if born.

The Rule Against Perpetuities is perhaps the best instance of the en ventre sa mere doctrine coming into play. It is well established that a child en ventre sa mere is a life in being at the death of the testator. This effectuates an extension of the period recovered by the Rule to 21 years and period of gestation.

In the area of trusts, the en ventre sa mere doctrine is just as firmly noted: upon the father's death, a child may be an income recipient of the father's trust before it is born.
http://www.mtio.com/articles/bissar28.htmz,

Under the Fourteenth Amdendments, they [non-naturalized aliens] are not.

Nobody argues that foreigners become persons become "persons" by becoming naturalized citizens.

Person In general usage, a human being (i.e. natural person), though by statute term may include labor organizations, partnerships, associations, corporations, legal representatives, trustees, trustees in bankruptcy, or receivers. Black's Law Dictionary 6th Ed.

Immigrants certainly do not lack the legal capacity to sue as 'persons' in civil courts of U.S. jurisdiction before they are naturalized. If I were to commit a tort against an illegal alien, and then assert the defense in a civil court that "non-persons" can't sue me I would be laughed out of court.

In the grammar of the Fourteenth Amendment the subject "persons" is described as having been subject to the actions of being born or naturalized. It means "All persons [who were] born or naturalized in the United States." It is as grammatically stupid to interpret this clause as, "All persons [who became persons by being] born or naturalized in the United States", as it is to assert that foreigners become persons by becoming naturalized citizens.

Cordially,

831 posted on 04/18/2007 8:52:19 PM PDT by Diamond
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To: Diamond; jude24
Apparently our legal system does accord a modicum of “rights” whether the naysayers like it or not.


[The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law which recognizes a “child in utero” as a legal victim, if he or she is injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines “child in utero” as “a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb.”[2]

The law is codified in two sections of the United States Code: Title 18, Chapter 1 (Crimes), §1841 (18 USC 1841) and Title 10, Chapter 22 (Uniform Code of Military Justice) §919a (Article 119a).

The law applies only to certain offenses over which the United States government has jurisdiction, including certain crimes committed on Federal properties, against certain Federal officials and employees, and by members of the military. In addition, it covers certain crimes that are defined by statute as federal offenses wherever they occur, no matter who commits them, such as certain crimes of terrorism.

Because of principles of federalism embodied in the United States Constitution, Federal criminal law does not apply to crimes prosecuted by the individual states. However, 34 states also recognize the fetus or “unborn child” as a crime victim, at least for purposes of homicide or feticide.[3]

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833 posted on 04/18/2007 8:58:28 PM PDT by khnyny
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