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Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
Cybercast News Service ^ | April 18, 2007 | Monisha Bansal

Posted on 04/18/2007 9:10:28 PM PDT by CutePuppy

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To: piasa
It wouls seem prudent for a species to expand as far as possible ...

As species, human race has done exactly that. However, some subspecies like homo liberalis, particularly in some geographical areas of North America, do concentrate in high density population areas and mostly expand population growth by infusion (importing population) instead of expanding by diffusion (by resettling and spreading out onto new territory).

51 posted on 04/18/2007 11:26:22 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: randog

The Sierra Club dust up over this several years ago immediately came to my mind also.

It’s a very small world, Sierra Club Director Anne Ehrlich was the one who was tarred and feathered after she attempted to have (rather extreme) population control included into the Sierra Clubs charter.

And yes, Anne Ehrlich is married to Paul Ehrlich. And she takes almost all her research money from large oil conglomerates.

http://www.counterpunch.org/ehrlich.html

This is a synthesis of anti-Western civilization extremisms that the less insane and less evil greenies have been trying to avoid for over a decade. If this gains momentum at the right time, the ‘green movement’ could implode before the 2008 elections.


52 posted on 04/18/2007 11:36:42 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: CutePuppy

These Berzerkly lawyers just crack me up.


53 posted on 04/18/2007 11:42:03 PM PDT by philetus (Keep doing what you always do and you'll keep getting what you always get.)
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To: holyscroller

“How about Illegal immigration control instead?”

ONE LOOK AT CAPS’ WEBSITE WILL CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION

THEY ARE STAUNCHLY IN FAVOR OF IMMIGRATION CONTROL

IT’S THEIR PRIMARY FOCUS AND THEY DESERVE OUR SUPPORT

http://www.cap-s.org/main.html


54 posted on 04/19/2007 12:32:12 AM PDT by midway
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To: CutePuppy

I never could completely understand exactly how the Law of Accelerating Returns obsoletes human death, but I will die trying.

When a new paradigm of a technology, for example, when vacuum-tube computers were first invented nobody knew that the next computing paradigm would be transistors. And at that new paradigm it wasn't known that silicon chip micro-processors would be the next. Now, at the cusp of the next paradigm it's three dimensional CPUs and quantum computation.

With human longevity it can't yet be predicted which exact technologies will obsolete human death. When penicillin was invented gene therapy and DNA manipulation were unknown. In biotechnology they've learned that there's a fat gene that's purpose is to store fat. It was necessary for hunter gathers because it was uncertain when the next meals would come. It's one of nature's survival mechanism. By understanding that bit of nature, conscious man is able to control it. By turning the gene off in mice they can devour large amounts of food and retain the calories but not accumulate fat. And they live twenty percent longer.

As conscious humans increasingly understand nature man increasingly controls nature.

55 posted on 04/19/2007 5:32:21 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: JerseyHighlander

I was thinking of the guy that made the observation that illegal immigration in the Sierra Club’s own backyard, California, was having a detrimental effect on California’s environment and, hence, the Sierra Club should come out against illegal immigration. He was given the bum’s rush, too, but it’s amusing to see he wasn’t the only one.


56 posted on 04/19/2007 7:11:33 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: Clemenza
I am not a religious man, but a man who believes that rational choice ultimately wins over the irrational over the long run in all societies. As such, I will continue to take the "population control freaks", whether bourgeois Orange County/Fairfax County types, or Eurotrash, with a grain of salt. In 20-30 years, there will be no surplus labor from Mexico, so all of those who have sand in their vagina about seeing all of those Campesinos from Puebla at the local mall should chill out.

Again, you miss the point. Calling for a rationale immigration policy and securing our broders is not a population control measure, but it does have population implications. Your use of such loaded terms as "population control freaks, whether bourgeois Orange County/Fairfax County types, or Eurotrash" and that "all of those who have sand in their vagina about seeing all of those Campesinos from Puebla at the local mall should chill out" is typical of the "open border" types who would rather demagog the issue than discuss unemotionally the impact of what is happening before our very eyes. It is unprecedented in our history.

The biggest issues facing this country are entitlement reform and immigration, legal and illegal. Unfortunately, most Americans are ill-informed about both and our political elites would rather not discuss them in an adult manner. The reason: Both represent a massive failure on their part to fulfill their responsibilities to this nation. The day of reckoning is not far off.

Your concerns would be valid if population growth were static. Trends in the developing world indicate otherwise. There is a good reason why the Maquiladoras in Mexico can increasingly only find women from the South to work in unskilled occupations.

The problem facing America is not directly related to population growth in Mexico, Latin America or the rest of the world. It is part economic and part the aspirations of the downtrodden to come to a free country that represents hope for them and their families. America is the world's lifeboat and the best hope of Man. The lifeboat is being swamped and will slowly sink beneath the waves like so many other great civilizations before us, if we don't recognize what is happening now.

Even if the world's population trends downward, America will still have to cope with large numbers of people who want to come here. And policies such as chain migration and "anchor babies" ensure that more and more can come legally. And a lack of secure border [including the failure to control visa overstays, which constitute one-third of the illegal alliens], is adding even more people. There have to be limits on how many we allow in. The issue is what are those limits and what are the long term implications in terms of our infrastructure [roads, water, energy, etc.], schools, hospitals, social welfare systems, culture, quality of life, etc.

The very trends you see working in the developing world in terms of natural population control are happening here. The wild card is that we are taking in more people annually than the rest of the world combined in terms of migration. Immigration, legal and illegal, is artificially changing the natural equation. The world's population can be declining and we, as a nation, could still be having a population problem.

The Hispanic Challenge By Samuel P. Huntington

57 posted on 04/19/2007 7:27:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: CutePuppy
"No matter how clever and inventive human technology can be, it will be overwhelmed by the explosive multiplication of unrelenting population growth," asserted Randy Alcorn, a senior writing fellow at Californians for Population Stabilization. "While it may be beneficial to replace incandescent light bulbs with fluorescent light bulbs, it would be more effective towards salvaging the planet to turn on light bulbs in minds darkened by political expediency and religious dogma," he said. "Those who surrender reason to religious and political doctrine and push the rubble of their misguided convictions into the path of prudent population reduction policies are complicit in condemning an entire planet to doom," said Alcorn.

Does this guy get paid by the syllable or what?

So we now see the Final Solution to the Global Warming Question.
58 posted on 04/19/2007 1:05:50 PM PDT by The Pack Knight (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: The Pack Knight
So we now see the Final Solution to the Global Warming Question.

Yes,

"Those who surrender reason to religious and political doctrine"
do come up with stuff like that - he sounds exactly like "Conspiracy" (TV, 2001), only on the altar of Global Warming.
59 posted on 04/19/2007 5:10:09 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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60 posted on 04/19/2007 5:14:41 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Feel the love...)
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To: CutePuppy

Yeah, we should all stop having children so that the muslims and Mexicans can take over Western Civ. /s


61 posted on 04/19/2007 5:15:36 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Feel the love...)
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To: CutePuppy

liberals should get castrated.


62 posted on 04/19/2007 5:15:37 PM PDT by ken21 (it takes a village to brainwash your child + to steal your property! /s)
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To: wagglebee; Gabz

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63 posted on 04/19/2007 5:17:45 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Dang! I’ve not given birth myself, but I somehow managed to raise a StepSon and two of his abandoned male cousins; all three are now productive, tax-paying members of society! Go figger!

Whatever will the ‘Zero-Growth’ freaks do with me? ;)

And as a reminder, and not that any of us here would think to vote for him, but Barrack Hussein Obama gets a 100% Rating from the ‘Zero-Growth’ freaks though he has a few kids of his own, I do believe.

Things never change; rules for THEE but NOT for me! Frickin’ Socialists!


64 posted on 04/19/2007 5:23:40 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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65 posted on 04/19/2007 5:32:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Feel the love...)
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To: CutePuppy
And the U.S. population, it says, "has been doubling every 40 years and is headed for one billion before the end of this century."

Given that they're assuming a steady rate of growth indefinitely, let's project this forward a bit:

2006:    300,000,000
2046:    600,000,000
2086:  1,200,000,000
2126:  2,400,000,000
2166:  4,800,000,000
2206:  9,600,000,000
2246: 19,200,000,000
Of course we'll have ten billion people in the U.S. within 200 years! And 20 billion a generation after that. And over a trillion about 200 years after that! Where will we put everyone?

And all because a bunch of California lefties didn't do the honorable thing and take their rhetoric to its logical conclusion.

66 posted on 04/19/2007 9:40:42 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Eschew obfuscation, y'all.)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
And all because a bunch of California lefties didn't do the honorable thing and take their rhetoric to its logical conclusion.

Well, don't knock California too much - Marshall Applewhite and his Heaven's Gate cult had the right idea near San Diego 10 years ago. They did their part... But Global Warming is so much more serious than Hale-Bopp that Global Warming cult really should pick up the speed - your table clearly shows that there is no time to waste.

67 posted on 04/19/2007 11:24:14 PM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: CutePuppy

Good grief! Haven’t these Malthus-heads all killed themselves yet? (to save the planet, mind you)


68 posted on 04/20/2007 7:39:04 AM PDT by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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To: CutePuppy
Too late, it is already happening. Population experts expect the world population to peak sometime this century, and then begin a decline, perhaps a severe decline, as modernism hits the second and third world.

The trend is the same for every culture as it advances, at some point, it begins to control its population to where the average couple have less than 2 kids per. This is already the case in much of Europe and the former Soviet Union, the trend is expected to catch on everwhere else. Some population theorists think the problem in the future will not be too MUCH population, but too LITTLE!

69 posted on 04/20/2007 9:00:36 AM PDT by Paradox (Secular Conservative, thank God!)
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To: CutePuppy

They need to take the lead, I’ll supply the Kool-Aid, sacrifices must be made, they keep asking US to make the sacrifices, set an example already.


70 posted on 04/20/2007 9:12:34 AM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: little jeremiah

Well, we KNOW that’s coming...OWG, that is.


71 posted on 04/20/2007 9:19:35 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL.)
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To: CutePuppy
More people = More CO2 = More Plants = More Food

We live on a planet created by a loving god that wants us all to have enough to eat. The climate is changing to accommodate the population increase.

Its the way our creator designed the system.

Even if we are arrogant enough to believe that we can arrest this process by limiting CO2 emissions, what are the unintended consequences?

Are we condemning our great grandchildren to a death by starvation?

It is no suprise that the faithless, godless liberals have embraced this issue.

72 posted on 04/20/2007 9:44:46 PM PDT by Species8472 (We will never Forget !)
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To: Zon
With human longevity it can't yet be predicted which exact technologies will obsolete human death.

Biotech is the Fourth Wave ... Nanotech and digital mind uploading will be the Fifth Wave.

Most people cannot simply grasp that there is a good change now that their young children could live for a millenium or more. The trick is staying alive until about 2075 or so.

73 posted on 04/20/2007 9:53:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: Centurion2000; Zon
Biotech is the Fourth Wave ... Nanotech and digital mind uploading will be the Fifth Wave.

Toffler?

As conscious humans increasingly understand nature man increasingly controls nature.

Controls or, when necessary, adapts... Adaptation, crudely speaking, is a form of control, only internal.

74 posted on 04/21/2007 12:35:15 AM PDT by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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