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Bolstering Moderate Muslims
DanielPipes.org ^ | 4/17/07 | Daniel Pipes

Posted on 04/19/2007 5:43:29 AM PDT by Valin

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To: HEY4QDEMS

Right, that’s something to be really proud of.


21 posted on 04/19/2007 6:33:45 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin
"Moderates will not be able to successfully challenge radicals until the playing field is leveled, which the West can help accomplish by promoting the creation of moderate Muslim networks."

I doubt that moderate Muslims can ever successfully challenge radicals. The radical always has the advantage. Non-Muslim moderates cannot succussfully challenge radicals. The radical always has the advantage.

22 posted on 04/19/2007 6:39:27 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Valin

Sure, I love being the subject of ad homonym attacks.


23 posted on 04/19/2007 6:47:09 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Alexander Rubin
FYI, there are several people including Ali Sina and myself who have openly disagreed with Daniel Pipes views on this matter.

To sum it up for you, there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. It would be like saying there is a moderate Christian.

The reality is that there are lapsed Muslims and those who have chosen not to follow the tenets of Islam. Likewise there are lapsed Christians and those who identify themselves as Christian but don't adhere to the tenets of Christianity...

Simple question... Would you call gay Bishop Gene Robinson a "moderate Christian"?

To say that there are moderate muslims would insinuate that there is a moderate "politically correct" form of Islam of which there isn't.

24 posted on 04/19/2007 6:49:38 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Valin

read later


25 posted on 04/19/2007 6:52:27 AM PDT by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
Sure, I love being the subject of ad homonym attacks.

You mean words that sound like attacks but actually mean something entirely different?

26 posted on 04/19/2007 6:53:52 AM PDT by Wormwood (Future Former Freeper)
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To: Wormwood
No I mean words that sound like an opinion but are nothing but subtle insults.

Winston Churchill made no concessions to appeasers and neither do I.

27 posted on 04/19/2007 7:02:46 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Valin

Just as “ordinary” Germans passively accepted the nazi atrocities and were guilty, the moderates who passively accept terrorism are guilty.


28 posted on 04/19/2007 7:03:27 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: theDentist

“Money is what’s being ask for. Give them MONEY to act moderately... eventually they may... but if you don’t see any significant change and pull away that money, they’ll revert to the natural state of killing indiscriminately again.”

Is that called “extortion” where you come from too?


29 posted on 04/19/2007 7:09:40 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Let's Roll

No, in Mass. they call it either “Politics” or “tax cuts”.


30 posted on 04/19/2007 7:11:34 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: PGalt

I doubt that moderate Muslims can ever successfully challenge radicals.

In the last elections in Malaysia & Indonesia the Islamist parties got their asses handed to them. Just one example off the top of my head.


32 posted on 04/19/2007 7:29:14 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: expatguy

Hewitt: Hour 2 - Hugh discusses al Qaeda and the war on terror with Vanity Fair columnist Christopher Hitchens

http://www.townhall.com/MediaPlayer/AudioPlayer.aspx?ContentGuid=1dad309d-394b-4f17-8a91-2389736c1b4c

No transcript up yet.


33 posted on 04/19/2007 7:49:25 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: Valin

I read the Rand report (thanks for posting it) and found it interesting and educational.

from it...

“Reversing the flow of radical ideas from the Arab world to the non-Arab regions of the Muslim world will be a formidable challenge because of the lack of Arab civil-society institutions that could act as disseminators of moderate ideas and because of cultural resistance within the Arab world to interpretations of Islam that originated outside the Middle East.”

Radical ideas/actions are taking hold in this republic, The United States of America, and other democracies. Stopping their flow here (in a non-muslim, non-Arab country) is a daunting task. Reversing here and beyond here is even greater.

Iraq was bold and necessary in terms of Arab/Sunni radicals.

Pipe’s efforts are noble, your examples are optimistic. Indonesia and Malaysia are not clear and present dangers.

Trickle down annihilation works.


34 posted on 04/19/2007 8:22:11 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: theDentist

Tax cuts? In Mass?

Oh, wait, I bet in Mass they call tax hikes, cuts - right?


35 posted on 04/19/2007 9:14:58 AM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: expatguy

First, I think there is enough of a desire for one that there can be, even if there isn’t now (which I am not convinced there isn’t). Secondly, does anyone have any better ideas that are legal and not terribly immoral?

And the Kurds have many moderate muslims amongst them. And, as I recall, Sufis are generally pretty moderate.


36 posted on 04/19/2007 10:19:49 AM PDT by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: Alexander Rubin; expatguy; Valin; Let's Roll; Liberal Equals Coward; theDentist; ...

“Secondly, does anyone have any better ideas that are legal and not terribly immoral?”

Yes! Grab a pot of coffee sometime this weekend after a break from yard/house work and read this (all 6 parts)....

http://www.islam-watch.org/NoSharia/PreventEuropeIslamization6.htm

Many, many thanks to NoSharia.


37 posted on 04/19/2007 8:12:11 PM PDT by PGalt
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