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New rhetoric in SCOTUS abortion ruling (Ginsgerg: Stop calling a 2nd trimester "fetus" a "baby")
Associated Press ^ | 04/19/07 | PETE YOST

Posted on 04/19/2007 9:56:32 AM PDT by presidio9

Ever since Roe v. Wade in 1973, graphic descriptions of abortion have been staples of abortion opponents. Abortion rights advocates have preferred more scientific terms. Neither is by accident.

The Supreme Court adopted the more graphic approach Wednesday as a conservative majority of justices upheld a nationwide ban on a controversial abortion procedure.

"The way in which the fetus will be killed ... is of legitimate concern" to the government, the majority said.

In opinions after Roe v. Wade, the decision saying a woman has a constitutional right to abortion, clinical terminology has been the order of the day at the court.

All that changed in 2000, when Justice Anthony Kennedy described abortion procedures in painstaking detail. He did so as a dissenter in Stenberg v. Carhart, the ruling striking down Nebraska's ban on what opponents call partial-birth abortions.

"Repeated references to sources understandable only to a trained physician may obscure matters for persons not trained in medical terminology," Kennedy wrote in 2000. "Thus it seems necessary at the outset to set forth what may happen during an abortion."

Kennedy then explained abortion procedures in explicit terms that hadn't been seen previously at the court. The break with tradition prompted Justice John Paul Stevens to note in a concurring opinion, "Much ink is spilled today describing the gruesome nature of late-term abortion procedures."

Kennedy returned to form Wednesday when he wrote the decision of the court.

"It is self-evident that a mother who comes to regret her choice to abort must struggle with grief more anguished and sorrow more profound when she learns ... what she once did not know: that she allowed a doctor to pierce the skull and vacuum the fast-developing brain of her unborn child," Kennedy wrote.

In a forceful dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg suggested that Kennedy's word-choice goes too far.

"Throughout, the opinion refers to obstetrician-gynecologists and surgeons who perform abortions not by the titles of their medical specialties, but by the pejorative label `abortion doctor,'" wrote Ginsburg. "A fetus is described as an 'unborn child,' and as a 'baby;' second-trimester, previability abortions are referred to as 'late-term.'"


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; partialbirthabortion; prolife; ruthbaderginsburg
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To: presidio9
"A fetus is described as an 'unborn child,' and as a 'baby;' second-trimester, previability abortions are referred to as 'late-term.'"

Out damn spot, out!

41 posted on 04/19/2007 10:26:12 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Coleus; nickcarraway; narses; Mr. Silverback; Canticle_of_Deborah; TenthAmendmentChampion; ...
Pro-Life PING

Please FreepMail me if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

42 posted on 04/19/2007 10:26:26 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available at KnightsForLife.org)
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To: Beelzebubba

Here, let me make your list a little more Pro-Choice:

“When is the unviable-tissue-mass due?”
“What sex is the parasitic-organism?”
“What are you going to name the fetus?”
“The unviable-product-of-conception just kicked!”
“The disposable-unwanted-pregnancy is pressing on my bladder.”


43 posted on 04/19/2007 10:27:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (JOIN THE NRA: https://membership.nrahq.org/forms/signup.asp)
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To: presidio9

Here is the complete text of this soul-less hags opinion:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/05-380.ZD.html


44 posted on 04/19/2007 10:27:46 AM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: presidio9

Just joking to your post.

“It just occured to me that nobody has ever seen Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Geddy Lee in the same place at the same time.

But then I remembered that Ginsburg wears glasses, and Geddy does not, so they can’t possibly be the same person.”


45 posted on 04/19/2007 10:27:58 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: presidio9
Oh, no, Big Sister has discovered people writing in Oldspeak, not Newspeak! Doubleplus ungood! Thoughtcrime alert! Send them to the Ministry of Love!
46 posted on 04/19/2007 10:28:24 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Beelzebubba

Every pregnant woman I know has always called the baby “the baby” from almost the day they found out they were pregnant let alone in the second or third trimester.

Even those that weren’t happy to be pregnant.


47 posted on 04/19/2007 10:29:24 AM PDT by dleecomeback07 (Let's Go Pee Yay (The Cubs new young player is named Pie pronounced Pee Yay))
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To: wideawake
I also wonder: if Ginsburg's granddaughter Clara had been born at 35 weeks of gestation, would Ginsburg have told her friends: "My daughter just gave birth! I'm on my way to vist her and the new fetus!"

Which proves that they're all liars. Anyway, why does anyone get an abortion? Because they don't want a fetus? Or because they don't want a baby?

48 posted on 04/19/2007 10:29:36 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: presidio9
Abortion rights advocates have preferred more scientific terms.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. But I suppose it's what you can expect from Ruth Bader Ginsberg and AP.

Abortion lovers are famous for their shifty use of language. They will not admit that a fetus is ALIVE. They will not admit that abortion KILLS a human being in the earliest stages of life. They will not admit that a fetus is HUMAN. They will not even speak the word "abortion" unless they are cornered, because "choice" sounds better. But their so-called "choice" only allows one answer.

49 posted on 04/19/2007 10:30:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Incorrigible

I like that cartoon.


50 posted on 04/19/2007 10:31:22 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: pennboricua

I am of course aware of the fact that some mistaken individuals are under the assumption that Superman is Clark Kent without the glasses. That theory makes absolutely no sense. How the heck would Superman be able to SEE if he weren’t wearing his glasses? It makes absolutely no sense.


51 posted on 04/19/2007 10:31:50 AM PDT by presidio9 (Suspended for posting an article about Scalia and Arthur Miller arguing at SCOTUS. Seriously.)
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To: NittanyLion

Ruth wants to rewrite the following.

“She’s having a Fetus” instead of She’s Having a Baby movie.
We’re Having A Fetus my what word would go here and me song by Ricky Ricardo
She’s Having my Fetus
New Song Fetus Fetus instead of Baby Baby


52 posted on 04/19/2007 10:31:54 AM PDT by dleecomeback07 (Let's Go Pee Yay (The Cubs new young player is named Pie pronounced Pee Yay))
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To: presidio9

Ginsberg is what happens when weak, spineless Republicans don’t play ball like the Democrats do with GOP nominees to the court.

She should have been “Borked” by the GOP back in 1993 or when ever she was nominated.


53 posted on 04/19/2007 10:32:21 AM PDT by The South Texan (The Drive By Media is America's worst enemy and American people don't know it.)
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To: presidio9

Some babies who are born in the second trimester survive. Are those fetuses in the NICU, or babies?


54 posted on 04/19/2007 10:32:21 AM PDT by ellery (I don't remember a constitutional amendment that gives you the right not to be identified-R.Giuliani)
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To: presidio9
If Justice Ginsberg is going to resort to rhetoric she had best be careful! Anyone who can hear a graphic description of a partial birth abortion and then start arguing terminology probably doesn’t have enough functioning heart matter to exclude themselves from their own abortion criteria!
55 posted on 04/19/2007 10:33:09 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: presidio9

I talked to my Ob/Gyn about this. He can think of absolutely no circumstance where it would be necessary to do this to save the life of a mother.


56 posted on 04/19/2007 10:33:20 AM PDT by dleecomeback07 (Let's Go Pee Yay (The Cubs new young player is named Pie pronounced Pee Yay))
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To: NittanyLion
unviable tissue mass due

Nittany, this isn't aimed at you.

Yes, a fetus ripped from the Mothers womb where it belongs is a unviable tissue mass.

The fetus' Mother when ripped off the Mother Earth where she belongs and thrown into space is also a unviable tissue mass.

I don't see that either case is a good argument for killing!

57 posted on 04/19/2007 10:38:22 AM PDT by RJL
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To: presidio9
"Throughout, the opinion refers to obstetrician-gynecologists and surgeons who perform abortions not by the titles of their medical specialties, but by the pejorative label `abortion doctor,'" wrote Ginsburg. "A fetus is described as an 'unborn child,' and as a 'baby;' second-trimester, previability abortions are referred to as 'late-term.'"

Oh look, a fetus:


58 posted on 04/19/2007 10:39:22 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: presidio9
My wife is pregnant.

Last night while discussing this case, I mentioned that if someone (God forbid) killed her, then they could be charged for two murders.

She didn’t think that was true.

Who is right?

59 posted on 04/19/2007 10:39:44 AM PDT by IL Republican
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To: presidio9

you are right.


60 posted on 04/19/2007 10:40:44 AM PDT by pennboricua
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