Skip to comments.Unarmed and Vulnerable
Posted on 04/20/2007 9:48:58 AM PDT by archy
Unarmed and vulnerable
Bradford B. Wiles
Wiles, of New Castle, is a graduate student at Virginia Tech.
On Aug. 21 at about 9:20 a.m., my graduate-level class was evacuated from the Squires Student Center. We were interrupted in class and not informed of anything other than the following words: "You need to get out of the building."
Upon exiting the classroom, we were met at the doors leading outside by two armor-clad policemen with fully automatic weapons, plus their side arms. Once outside, there were several more officers with either fully automatic rifles and pump shotguns, and policemen running down the street, pistols drawn.
It was at this time that I realized that I had no viable means of protecting myself.
Please realize that I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech's student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.
I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.
First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.
Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.
Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.
Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.
That feeling of helplessness has been difficult to reconcile because I knew I would have been safer with a proper means to defend myself.
I would also like to point out that when I mentioned to a professor that I would feel safer with my gun, this is what she said to me, "I would feel safer if you had your gun."
The policy that forbids students who are legally licensed to carry in Virginia needs to be changed.
I am qualified and capable of carrying a concealed handgun and urge you to work with me to allow my most basic right of self-defense, and eliminate my entrusting my safety and the safety of my classmates to the government.
This incident makes it clear that it is time that Virginia Tech and the commonwealth of Virginia let me take responsibility for my safety.
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I know some will jump on me for this but I have a problem, again, with thousands of students carrying weapons on campus. Considering the original post, what do people think would have happened if these students had been armed and went running out of the building, weapons drawn, and met a bunch of heavly armed police? I think we would have had another big disaster on our hands. The police would not have know who these kids were. There’s got to be another answer.
WHy would any of them have run out of the building with weapons drawn? Are they all stupid or something?
They would have come out with their weapons aloft, cheering, having toasted the perp.
Do you think the police would have killed 32 of them? Even one or two *friendly fire* incidents by incompetent cops would have been better than more than 50 shot, 32 killed.
Hi, we're the police and we're here to save you. Now get your hands up or you're a dead mother****er!*
Then you prefer unarmed corpses? Do you "have a problem" with however many students have carry permits carrying around Blacksburg? I don't seem to remember reading that it ever caused any problems, and I'm sure I would have remembered.
During hunting season at my high school in West Virginia , just about every student car in the parking lot had one or more guns in them. And a lot of the teachers cars did, too. Granted there was never any shootings, but it wouldn’t have last long, if there were.
Unarmed and Vulnerable...
Just the way Rudy Giuliani likes us.
What if, what if, what if.......
God, people likeyou make me sick! The 32 dead are not “what if’s”....they are real dead people!
What if an asteroid hit right at the time the shootings started....that might’ve stopped it too!
get your head out of your a$$.
no one who’s been trained in firearms safety and earned a concealed carry permit is going to go off half-cocked (pardon the pun) in an emergency. They’re not going to confront law enforcement; they will focus on reducing the threat—and once the threat has been neutralized, the weapons are laid down on the ground.
Responsible concealed carry training delineates when one can and cannot use a firearm. Rational people who have gone to the length of being trained in firearms use (and abuse) are not the problem.
The bottom line determinator is “are you in fear for your life?” If you are, there’s no rational reason for you to be deprived of the use of the “great equalizer.”
I think it's time for America to become an armed camp for a while.
I don't think that is what would happen. A more likely scenario is that the armed students would seek cover inside, and engage a gunmen if he happened upon them. If asked to evacuate the building, they would do so with their sidearms still holstered and concealed.
You make it sound like everyone would be running around wild-eyed waving handguns in the air, but that's Hollyweird stuff.
There isn't. Face the hard facts of life. Why would some nut risk pulling his weapon if he knew he was surrounded by people who would shoot him down? The fact that so many would be carrying terrifies these cowards. And these wacko shooters are cowards. Else they would go in police stations instead of schools.
Every time some state debates legal carry, the cacophony from the nei-sayers is monosyllabic “its gonna be blood in the streets, Tomb Stone, gunfights on EVERY corner, carnage......”
I’m still waiting for this to happen.
Because he's an irrational nut. Poor fellow.
Drop him before he can hurt anyone/ anyone else.
I doubt there would be ‘thousands’ of students carrying weapons on campus. It would only have taken one, in this case.
Oh no. There's already a law in place for dealing with school administrators and others who've deprived the victims of their constitutionally-guaranteed right to bear arms with which to protect themselves. It's time to use it.
United States Code, TITLE 18, U.S. Criminal Code
PART I, CHAPTER 13, Section 242
Deprivation of rights under color of law:
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both;
and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both;
and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
It's not going to be "thousands" . . . it will be those students who are trained, dedicated, and willing to go through the necessary hassle to get a carry permit.
They would have the sense and education not to go running around like liberal chickens, waving their firearms in the air (why do you think any trained person would do such a silly thing?)
But, actually, the simple knowledge that carry-permitted citizens were allowed to be on the VT campus would have probably given this evil SOB pause. If it hadn't, a carry-permitted citizen could well have stopped him before he slaughtered 31 disarmed, helpless students.
I've had a CCP ever since Georgia put the legal machinery in place to get one . . . back in the 70s some time, I think. I've never had to shoot anybody, I've never had a problem with the police. I have had two encounters with wannabe muggers, who immediately decided to seek easier prey when I took up a defensive position. Naturally, no police happened to be around on either occasion.
This is not a flame, but you appear to be letting your fears of the unknown overtake you. You probably didn’t grow up handling firearms and may be uncomfortable around them. You are not alone. You also apparently don’t understand the training, testing, and thorough background checks you have to go through to get a CHL. You can be sure that only good guys, reasonably proficient with a firearm, and with clean records can get a CHL.
To your concers, “thousands” of students would not be armed at any campus. The CHL process has been around a long time and the percentage of people who actually get one is fairly low. Most students are not of proper age anyway, so it would be primarily professors and grad students (such as the man who wrote the article) that choose to carry a handgun.
Next, anyone who has gone through the process of obtaining a CHL understands that an unjustified shooting can land you in jail for a long time, so they aren’t likely to draw or shoot unless they are truly in fear of losing their life. Also, as a CHL holder, if you actually have to take out a bad guy to save your life, your next worry is going to be the police, who were not there to know you are actually a good guy, taking you out. Therefore, you will take every precaution in such a situation to make sure they know you are not a bad guy. Running out the door with your gun in your hand would not be advised in that situation.
Anyway, I hope that helps you better understand what the author is suggesting.
I totally understand what you are saying. To help though, I have a total of seven weapons in my home. I was in the military and I know what happens in a fire fight. Thousands of rounds can be fired without hitting the target.
My concern is not reacting after the fact. The point I want to reach is to stop this from happening in the first place. People seem to jump to the idea of “arm everybody” that is of the age to carry a weapon. I am an excellent shot, I know what happens when being fired at. Going to a firing range and being shot at are two different things. I am very good at both. But thank you for your concern. Again, people need to get together and come up with a way to stop this from happening. It won’t happen by reacting after the fact.
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