Army Public Affairs is the guilty party here...
Posted on 04/24/2007 11:30:12 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
I’m wondering how many American soldiers since the Revolutionary War have died due to “friendly fire”? How would things have been different during WWII had those incidents been reported as such right after each death? While I can understand the family’s anger, I don’t see how any of this helps deal with the fact that this nation is at war with an enemy that began that war against us, not the other way around. And, I get the sense that the Tillman family is now being used by the liberals in this country in their war against the Bush Administration.
Not to mention the fact that disease exposure and starvation claimed a lot more than the battles themselves.
War sucks, that's why we honor those who endure it for the rest of us.
True, all too true. Would that it were (J. Kerry's words) that we could have no war at all, ever. Alas, evil exists in the world and must be fought at every turn. May God Bless those willing to walk into the crucible of war.
She also said she had no evidence to back up this claim, but she had read a book about Rumsfeld and she just knows what kind of guy he is...right!
You are a commander in hostile territory and soldier is accidentally killed by friendly fire. That soldier's hot-tempered brother is a convoy behind the dead soldier's.
Do you want to take the risk of telling a soldier who is already under incredible stress and strain that Billy over there just killed his big brother by mistake?
Does that sound like a scenario that will assist unit cohesion? Would it be better if the brother was informed right away and he snapped and killed another soldier or two?
Thisincident didn't happen on a daytrip to the mall.
The fact there isn’t a single piece of ‘new information’ is the best indicator this was designed strictly for the partisan witch hunts that have begun.
Excellent point.
Kevin is proving that he is not able to control himself under pressure.
No telling what he might have done.
See Post #6.
Years?
Tillman was killed on April 22, 2004, after his Army Ranger comrades were ambushed in eastern Afghanistan. Rangers in a convoy trailing Tillman's group had just emerged from a canyon where they had been fired upon. They saw Tillman and mistakenly fired on him.
Though dozens of soldiers knew quickly that Tillman had been killed by his fellow troops, the Army said initially that he was killed by enemy gunfire when he led his team to help another group of ambushed soldiers. The family was not told what really happened until May 29, 2004, a delay the Army blamed on procedural mistakes.
Sounds more like 37 days, rather than years.
I'm sorry for their loss.
I'm sorry for our country's loss.
It is most likely that the officer used poor judgment in an effort to temporarily spare Pat's brother from hearing that it was his fellow soldiers that accidentally shot Pat.
However, it is still true that Pat let his group of Rangers against enemy forces that were attacking his group, and that he died as a result of that engagement. They had just come under fire, and the other soldiers thought that he was one of those attackers rather than a fellow American.
His actions were no less brave because he died as a result of friendly fire.
His brother should have been told the truth right away, instead of 5 weeks later.
However, I find it hard to believe that the officer that chose to keep that information from him thought it could be kept form him long term.
Dozens of soldiers knew what had happened right away. Such secrets spread quickly.
It was likely what the officer thought was a little white lie to help ease the initial shock for Pat's brother that spiraled quickly out of control.
This is unfortunate, and it was the wrong thing for that officer to do. However, the only reason that this has remained in the public eye for so long is that there are those who want to use this issue to demoralize our troops and to attack the administration.
An illegal order?
He was ordered by his superior not to divulge information - an order that his superior had every legal right to give and which he had every legal obligation to comply with.
An illegal order is an order in which a superior instructs a subordinate to violate the laws of war.
I am unaware of any provision in the UCMJ or the Geneva Convention which makes it compulsory for a officer to immediately report the circumstances of a soldier's death to his family.
The Army, as a matter of policy, traditionally waits until a uniformed service member can contact the family in person.
If not telling the family immediately is illegal, the Army has been routinely breaking the law for centuries.
Army Public Affairs is the guilty party here...
I agree - but when stuff like this happens and different versions are circulated, the Army has a responsibility to confirm precisely what happened and that can take time.
What LCol Bailey was protecting was the integrity of an on-going investigation. What he doesn't want is 1 eyewitness giving his personal account before the investigators have finished their work. Eyewitnesses don't always get the details right & a partial story given out too early could prove problematic. This eyewitness account would probably have been accurate in general, but you can't know that before the fact.
Now, assume that LCol Bailey is in fact running a coverup. The 'investigation' comes out & it insists that Tillman died as the initial reports said he did. Every man in Tillman's squad knows the Truth. Somebody will tell Tillman's family. Col. Bailey surely knows this. THAT is why this is not a coverup -- it would never 'stick'.
‘Friendly fire’ has been the reason for a number of deaths otherwise reported. It is bad enough that a loved one is killed, let alone by his own troops by mistake. It is the same issue when the family wants to know, “Did he suffer?” Get real, what are you going to say....the truth when it serves no purpose other than to take the loss into the realm of agony?
This is not as black and white as dillitantes such as Waxman like to paint it.
God rest Tillman’s soul and may his family find some peace.
***...they did not deserve to have to wait as long as they did to find out the truth.***
We are at war! They did not have to know the truth ever. How did it serve them to know that their son was shot accidentally? It only makes their pain worse. They have been led by the cowardly leftists to the point of making an issue out of it.
There was a scene in a TV movie some years ago in which the father of a murdered girl had to go to the morgue to i.d. her. The morgue attendant gratuitously lifted the sheet to allow her father to see the horrible gashes in her stomach. The father turned to the attendant, and DECKED him. Rightly so.
It’s only okay to alter or embellish the details behind a casualty when it involves John Kerry.
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