Posted on 04/27/2007 3:10:50 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
In a startling departure from his previously stated position on civil unions, Mayor Giuliani came out to The New York Sun yesterday evening in opposition to the civil union law just passed by the New Hampshire state Senate.
" Mayor Giuliani believes marriage is between one man and one woman. Domestic partnerships are the appropriate way to ensure that people are treated fairly," the Giuliani campaign said in a written response to a question from the Sun. "In this specific case the law states same sex civil unions are the equivalent of marriage and recognizes same sex unions from outside states. This goes too far and Mayor Giuliani does not support it."
The Democratic governor of New Hampshire, John Lynch, has said publicly that he will sign the civil union law.
On a February 2004 edition of Fox News's "The O'Reilly Factor," Mr. Giuliani told Bill O'Reilly, when asked if he supported gay marriage, "I'm in favor of … civil unions."
He also said, "Marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman." Asked by Mr. O'Reilly in the interview how he would respond to gay Americans who said being denied access to the institution of marriage violated their rights, Mr. Giuliani said: "That's why you have civil partnerships. So now you have a civil partnership, domestic partnership, civil union, whatever you want to call it, and that takes care of the imbalance, the discrimination, which we shouldn't have." In 1998, as mayor of New York City, Mr. Giuliani signed into law a domestic partnership bill that a gay rights group, the Empire State Pride Agenda, hailed as setting "a new national benchmark for domestic partner recognition."
(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...
Look, you were caught lying and trashing Fred Thompson on this very thread. Get lost!
Maybe everyone ought to run for President... doing so has a miraculous ability to make people try to act more conservative. At least for a little while.
Curious how we keep hearing from the Guiliani crowd that conservatism doesn't matter, while their guy lies his tail off to look like the conservative that he ain't. And the kool-aid drinkers just nod their heads and continue blindly following him...
I believe Fred has read the tenth ammendment, that’s what I like best about him.
Can you name a single LIE that has been put forth about Rudy in this forum? Why in the world would we need to lie about this leftist when the verifiable FACTS are so damning?
“If people are comfortable with a hypocrite like Bush...”
I call foul. Our President is several things (a few of them disappointing), but hypocrite is not a word I assoociate with him.
I don’t agree with your characterization of my actions on this thread.
I'd rather deal with an obnoxious truth than a polite lie any day. You can be "civil" all you want, but lies and half-truths are offensive in their own right.
When has Fred Thompson EVER spoken at their events? Helped them raise money? Or march in their parades?
To be fair, the newsmax article she cited (I think written by a Duncan Hunter supporter, or maybe Tancredo), contained only the sentence she quoted. It was a secondary source, and I the reporter got it wrong, I think on purpose, as you posted the quote it’s clear Thompson was not refering to “gay rights” but to “gay people” when he said we should be a tolerant nation.
Some won’t agree, but I do agree, that we should be tolerant of gay people. Not accepting, not enabling, but tolerating. Just like Thompson said — no special rights.
Yep, maybe I am just simple, but I look at what a man has done not what he says. It is the Texas way.
because Rudy still supports CFR and thinks the First Amendment is as subjective as art and should be defined only by controlling authorities - an idea for which he was bitch-slapped by the courts for, although I'm glad of his challenge and commend him of his effort to defund the BMoA (and others) of their crappy art shows.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/08/deconstructing_giuliani.html
“The First Amendment
Many conservatives despise McCain for his leading role in passing campaign-finance reform, which they see as an abomination of the First Amendment. But Giuliani is an ardent supporter of campaign finance reform as well. As he was contemplating a run for the Senate in 2000, Giuliani told Wolf Blitzer that he was a “very, very strong supporter of Campaign Finance Reform,” adding that he’d been “a very strong supporter of McCain-Feingold for a long, long time now.”
Rudy’s support for McCain-Feingold is only part of the reason free speech lawyer Floyd Abrams once characterized Giuliani as “deeply contemptuous of the First Amendment.” For example, in 1997, Giuliani went to court to try and force New York Magazine to take down an ad campaign appearing on city buses that ribbed him by proclaiming that the magazine was “probably the only good thing in New York that Rudy hasn’t taken credit for.” Rudy’s court challenge against the magazine failed.
In 1999, Giuliani made headlines by trying to cut off public funding for the Brooklyn Museum of Art after an exhibit featured a portrait of the Virgin Mary decorated with elephant dung. Giuliani was again rebuffed in court on First Amendment grounds, but he subsequently formed a “decency commission” to issue a set of recommended standards for local museums that receive city money.
Incidentally, while this last example may be the sort of free speech impingement that scores points with religious conservatives, it nevertheless points out a pattern of behavior that makes it very hard to argue that Rudy somehow has a greater reverence for the First Amendment than McCain. It should also make pure free speech libertarians like Sager blush with embarrassment for constantly deriding McCain over First Amendment issues while heaping unqualified praise on Giuliani."
Rudy still supports McCain-Feingold and thinks it's good policy. Giuliani has a host of other negatives that exacerbates his desire to see free speech squelched. One strike, the ballgame continues on - with Giuliani, with as many as he already has against himself it's best he's taken out of the game altogether.
And B'rer Rabbit really "feared" that briar patch, too. Open your eyes, they're building him up in the eyes of GOP voters by opposing him, because they know they can beat him. Hillary, especially, needs someone with Guiliani's high negatives to offset her own.
The whole "only Rudy can beat Hillary" argument is multiply false. Even if Clinton is the candidate (falsehood #1 presumes this is a given), Guiliani is her ideal opponent (falsehood #2: Guiliani can beat Clinton; falsehood #3: no other GOP candidate could beat Clinton).
“Then please don’t support anyone who leaves our borders free and open no matter what they claim about the WOT. We are being invaded there and most of the pols have zero concern over that.”
Who said I was? ;-)
Personally, I’d like to see the border closed not tomorrow, not today, but yesterday. However, none of the pols currently in office seem to actually have the guts to do it. Hopefully, the nominees of both parties will, but I have my doubts.
Regardless, though, the global war against Islamofasicsm is my first priority.
However, I don't think is is a gay activist, because he is not gay (as can be seen by his predilictions with women and his multiple marriages).
He is a "gay rights supporter" who does many things that a "gay rights activist" would do, and who has vocally supported "gay rights" in public speeches and official pronouncements.
You can call that an "activist" or not, the label is not important, it's his actions that are important.
Oh, I know... I'm just pointing out that she knows better, having trolled anti-Fred lines for some time to try and make Guiliani look less like the flaming liberal that he is, and that using a knowingly flawed source is no better than lying herself.
Thanks for reminding everyone that Rudy took on the Brooklyn Museum of Art over it's offensive "Piss Christ" display in 1999.
'veronica' stated, "As far as "dressing the part" - he wore a costume to an event."
That implies that it was a one time event. But I've seen different pictures of him dressed in different "costumes".
I've not received an answer from her, so perhaps you can answer it.
Did Rudy dress in drag one time, or has he done it multiple times?
“War is not civil. We are at war with galloping socialism and the enemy is within the gates. If you think I’m going to be civil with people who are promoting an end to our freedom, you’re nuts.”
Jim, I don’t disagree with you. But, the discourse on FR has taken a turn for the worse. I’m sorry, but that’s how I (and many others) feel.
Hey, FR is your baby, and I agree with your mission. I just ask that we don’t start verbally attacking fellow FReepers just because of differing viewpoints. Otherwise, we’re no different than those that we oppose.
Of course, those articles also lied by omission.
Yet after having that clearly pointed out to you, you persist in trying to equate Fred and Rudy on gay rights.
That is absurd and you know it. While Rudy says that marriage is between a man and a woman, we all know that he endorses civil unions between homosexual partners. Only now he has said he rejects the new law in New Hampshire, in another of his double-speak pandering moves. Rudy is so "all over the map" that you can find any quote to back up both sides of anything he has ever said.
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