Posted on 04/29/2007 2:02:24 PM PDT by jmq
Just happening at Ward parkway mall
If the shooter really did have an AK-47 with a full magazine, the death toll could have been much higher. The “long rifle” probably was a usual hunting rifle — but the media thinks rifle=assault rifle=AK-47.
Sheesh! The Ignorant Sheeple! And ignorant MSM!
On the other hand, if a civilian carrying a concealed weapon had responded (and they may have but the media suppresses such info), then the death toll could have been limited to two or three.
The Utah Mall shooter was a Bosnian Muslim — what of this character?
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) - A man driving a dead woman’s car shot a police officer, then opened fire in a parking lot and a mall Sunday, authorities said. By the end of the day, four people, including the gunman, were dead.
Police shot the gunman to death outside a Target store inside Ward Parkway Center in south Kansas City, police spokesman Tony Sanders said.
Target employee Cassie Bradshaw, 19, was in a break room with two other people when they heard shots. Then, her co-workers saw a man in his 50s with a rifle “shooting everywhere,” she said.
“It sounded like maybe firecrackers at first but then they got louder and louder and louder, and it sounded like someone shooting a gun,” she said.
The string of violence began early Sunday afternoon, when police went to a home to check on an elderly woman relatives hadn’t seen for days. The woman was found dead and her car missing, Sanders said.
The car was spotted later in the day at a gas station by an officer, who pulled the driver over and was shot in the arm, police said. The officer, whose wound was not life-threatening, returned fire and shattered the window of the gunman’s car.
The car took off and was seen later at the shopping center. The man pulled into a parking space and fired at the cars on either side of him, killing two people, authorities said. He fired more shots, wounding two people, then went inside the mall, Sanders said.
Police did not say how the elderly woman died, or if the gunman was a suspect in her death. But they did say they believed the events were connected.
The mall, one of the city’s busiest shopping centers, was shut down and officers were going through each store to see if anyone else might have been involved, Sanders said.
The gunman and victims’ names were not immediately released, and conditions of the wounded were not available.
Thanks. I think I’ve read all of this already and watched it on TV but still not discription of the man, his race, religion or possible motives. The motives part I can understand but there should be no reason why someone hasn’t reported his race unless they are covering it up. Would you not agree?
Sounds like the KCMO police did it right. They did not “set up a perimeter”, but charged right in after the active shooter. Then they shot him. It’s the only way to lesson the casualties to the innocent in these sorts situations. That and having lots of armed civilians on the scene when the shooting starts.
Its Bush’s and the NRA’s fault. But let us remember that under GW the dow went over 13K.I thought that Clinton was the saviour.
How do you know it was “jihad”? What was the reason behind the attack?
A police officer responds to the mall shooting.
With something actually effective, hard to tell for certain in that picture, but I believe it's a short barreled shotgun, for which you or I would have to pay a federal infringement Tax and get a "mother may I" slip from both the federal government and the local chief LEO.
It's possible the barrel is 18" long, in which case the above doe not apply.
The identity of the shooter will probably come out when the police conform it and notify next of kin.
Many major metro departments only allow "special" units to have those, not trusting the average officer with them. A shotgun is plenty effective in the scenario that existed by the time the police got there. And indoor, short range, fight. And even if you don't agree about that, it's a lot better than the .40 S&W that is most likely standard issue with the KCMO PD. (I have a relative, now working for a federal agency, who was a KCMO cop some years ago, but at that time they had the 9mm S&W knockoff of the Glock.)
I hope alot more good college students are carrying a pistol after that horrible shooting. And I just read an article about a nice man taking his daughter for a hike celebrating her graduation when a 400 lb bear attacked them. She managed to dodge the bear and it tore into his leg. They managed to survive but I don’t understand going into wild life country without a firearm. Come on, no more sitting ducks please!
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Considering the glare from the rear window and the angle it's being carried in this lousy photo, I could see it as being a standard-size shotgun, the sort that's locked upright to the dash. I would really have preferred to see her getting an AR-15 or better yet a select-fire M-16 out of her trunk. Initial reports had the perp with an AK, and a standard shotgun would not have been my first choice to grab when up against that, if I had had a choice.
Those early ordinances were designed against "carrying while black", later they were modified to include "Italian, Irish, etc". Many of them were in the south, but the most notable, New York's Sullivan law, was designed to disarm the political opponents of Sullivan, a crime lord of sorts, but also a machine politician.
Try putting your shotgun in the same position in your full sized car. Bet it hits the windshield. Most of those have 14" barrels. Very few have folding or collapsible stocks. That's the advantage of a short barrel, it's "handier", especially in a confined space like a vehicle, and is also handier in many situations where a longer barrel would sort of get in the way.
The militia of the state shall include all able-bodied citizens and all other able-bodied residents, who, in the case of the unorganized militia and the Missouri reserve military force, shall be more than seventeen years of age and not more than sixty-four, and such other persons as may upon their own application be enrolled or commissioned therein, and who, in the case of the organized militia, shall be within the age limits and possess the physical and mental qualifications prescribed by law or regulations for the reserve components of the armed forces of the United States, except that this section shall not be construed to require militia service of any persons specifically exempted by the laws of the United States or the state of Missouri.
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The U.S. Constitution acknowledges the Right to Keep and Bear Arms -- and regardless of a liberal saying the 2nd Amendment is "only for hunters" (where is that?) or "members of the military," the fact remains that anyone over the age of 17 and not more than 64 is considered part of the unorganized militia per Missouri law.
Thus, I have an obligation to my fellow citizens to keep and bear arms. I firmly believe concealed carry to be within that realm in order to fight terrorism and those who would cause mayhem.
Some of our fellow citizens need to wake up!!!
Well kudos to them. Nice to know that some law enforcement is agressive when it's most needed. Bless them.
Try putting your shotgun in the same position in your full sized car. Bet it hits the windshield. Most of those have 14" barrels. Very few have folding or collapsible stocks. That's the advantage of a short barrel, it's "handier", especially in a confined space like a vehicle, and is also handier in many situations where a longer barrel would sort of get in the way.
By "Standard size" I meant "the standard size that's carried on a typical police cruiser".....I 'm aware of the benefits of a shorter barrel of course, but I confess I hadn't checked on what the typical cruiser carries in the way of barrel length versus what's available to the public. I thought that most carried an off-the-shelf Remington 870 or a standard Mossberg, but if they are shorter than what's available to the public then that's something new for me today. :-)
Here in Kansas City, the WORST day to commit a crime is on Sunday. It’s like KCPD is spoon-fed with battery acid before they hit the streets. It would have been better/worse if this would have happened several hours later, i.e. graveyard shift.
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