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Fire from crash collapses Calif. freeway
Yahoo/AP ^

Posted on 04/29/2007 4:44:32 PM PDT by farlander

OAKLAND, Calif. - A stretch of highway near the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge collapsed Sunday after a gasoline tanker crashed and burst into flames, leaving one of the nation's busiest spans in a state of near paralysis. Officials said traffic could be disrupted for months. ADVERTISEMENT

Flames shot 200 feet in the air and the heat was intense enough to melt part of the freeway and cause the collapse, but the truck's driver walked away from the scene with second-degree burns. No other injuries were reported.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: baybridge
Hmmm... I guess that should put a stop to conspiracy theories about 9/11 and all the nonsense that fire doesn't melt steel and concrete.
1 posted on 04/29/2007 4:44:38 PM PDT by farlander
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To: farlander

Really? ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1825642/posts


2 posted on 04/29/2007 4:46:26 PM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: farlander

Rosie is deeply disappointed.

It was a remote demolition of the freeway by Rovian-Control.


3 posted on 04/29/2007 4:47:41 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: farlander

The second time in history that fire melts steel!


4 posted on 04/29/2007 4:48:15 PM PDT by Jagman (I drank Frank Rabelais under the table!)
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To: D-fendr

Some people are oblivious to facts. Count Rosie among ‘em.


5 posted on 04/29/2007 4:50:03 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Our first responsibility is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: farlander
"I guess that should put a stop to conspiracy theories about 9/11 and all the nonsense that fire doesn't melt steel and concrete."

Absolutely not. This simply proves that Bush caused the freeway collapse, too.

6 posted on 04/29/2007 4:51:59 PM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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To: farlander

The driver wasn’t named Achmed or Mohammed, was he?


7 posted on 04/29/2007 4:53:45 PM PDT by AZLiberty (Ahmadinejad's new nickname: "Nuclear Cho".)
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To: AZLiberty

Maybe, the driver was Rosie conducting steel melting experiments?


8 posted on 04/29/2007 4:56:26 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: farlander

Global warming is starting to weaken the steel in our highways!


9 posted on 04/29/2007 4:58:02 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: AZLiberty

“The driver wasn’t named Achmed or Mohammed, was he?”

The taxi driver that took him to the hospital was interviewed.

Said along the lines of ... his hands, face, arms and shirt were burned and he was crying - he took him without charge to Kaiser Hosp. A mile or so from the scene.

The driver had a Hispanic sounding name.


10 posted on 04/29/2007 5:18:19 PM PDT by Bobibutu
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To: popdonnelly
"Some people are oblivious to facts. Count Rosie among ‘em."

Yes, and then there are those Dems and liberal Repubs who are simply oblivious to the obvious!!!

11 posted on 04/29/2007 5:29:44 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Hey Surrendercrats!!! Listen up and listen tight!!! Harry Reid sure ain't no Harry Truman!!!)
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To: farlander

But Rosy says heat can’t melt steel so it must be the CIA.


12 posted on 04/29/2007 5:32:42 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: farlander
May the same fate befall the rest of the Kalifornia Koast.


13 posted on 04/29/2007 5:33:07 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Fred Thompson in '08, baby!)
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To: Let's Roll

test


14 posted on 04/29/2007 5:34:21 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: farlander

Exactly, I was thinking this same thing. I hope Rosie sees this/ shoots holes in her theories.


15 posted on 04/29/2007 5:35:52 PM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: AZLiberty

James as in never trust a James.


16 posted on 04/29/2007 5:41:12 PM PDT by Domangart (editor and publisher)
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To: farlander

No, this was part of a Rovian conspiracy to discredit the people trying to tell the American people the truth about 9/11.


17 posted on 04/29/2007 5:49:03 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: farlander
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom said the accident showed how fragile the Bay area's transportation network is

Duh. You and all your environmentalists keeping California green otta tell ya all something.

18 posted on 04/29/2007 5:50:31 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: farlander

I can hear it now...

Rosie: “This was a planned and premeditated attack. Steel cannot melt this easily.”


19 posted on 04/29/2007 6:28:27 PM PDT by Mr. Brightside (Rudy Giuliani is just another "Empty Dress Republican")
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To: farlander
It's funny how soon the second time in history comes around.

20 posted on 04/29/2007 6:29:32 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (A word to the wise ain't necessary -- it's the stupid ones that need the advice.)
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To: taxesareforever

San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom said the accident showed [Al Kiada] how fragile the Bay area’s transportation network is


21 posted on 04/29/2007 6:48:40 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom said the accident showed [Al Kiada] how fragile the Bay area’s transportation network is.

I was thinking about this earlier today. The Bay area is very earthquake conscious and much of it is built to withstand serious shakes. Vulnerability to high temps is often a very different problem and not always addressed with the same solution.

22 posted on 04/29/2007 6:57:01 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and ye shall find)
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To: DManA

Good one.


23 posted on 04/29/2007 7:16:33 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Never forget Matt Maupin)
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To: farlander

Yea...really...where is that jackass from Utah?


24 posted on 04/29/2007 7:41:06 PM PDT by maxsand
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To: maxsand

Steven Earl Jones

STFU

Your career is over...way to waste a PhD...

^&#$HEAD...


25 posted on 04/29/2007 7:49:47 PM PDT by maxsand
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To: farlander
And Governor Schwarzenkenedy has said that all public transit will be free tomorrow.

What this means in practical terms, for those of us who are forced to rely upon it or pay $15 a day for parking, is that every bum in the Bay Area will be sleeping on BART trains tomorrow morning. They take up between 2 and 12 seats each, depending upon when they last bathed and whether or not it’s flu or allergy season.

Thanks Arnold but I’d rather pay the three bucks and be able to breath on the train.

26 posted on 04/29/2007 8:04:32 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Everything I need to know about Palestinian nationalism I learned on June 5, 1968.)
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To: farlander

People claim that fire couldn’t have melted the steel supporting the Twin Towers.
Maybe it is true and maybe not, but nobody ever mentions the fire melting the steel rebar in the concrete slabs supporting the floors.


27 posted on 04/29/2007 10:58:42 PM PDT by Chewbacca (Vote Ron Paul for President in 2008!!!!!! The best man for the job!)
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To: Chewbacca
People claim that fire couldn’t have melted the steel supporting the Twin Towers.

Maybe it is true and maybe not, but nobody ever mentions the fire melting the steel rebar in the concrete slabs supporting the floors.

Jet fuel burns much hotter than gasoline...

28 posted on 04/29/2007 11:03:48 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: AZLiberty
From www.sfgate.com:
...Cross said Mosqueda had been driving for Sabek Transportation, of South San Francisco, for 10 months. He was carrying 8,600 gallons of gasoline from a Benicia refinery to a gas station on Hegenberger Road in Oakland.

According to a company statement, Mosqueda has a safe driving record. The company described his escape from the wreck as "miraculous" and said it is cooperating with the investigation into the crash. The company also said initial alcohol and drug tests indicate Mosqueda was not under the influence while he was driving.

Cross said Mosqueda has a valid driver's license and no apparent history of driving while under the influence of alcohol or drugs.

"At this point, there is no indication of impairment on the part of the driver, but that will be part of our investigation," CHP Commissioner Mike Brown said.

A worker at a nearby sewage treatment plant, Isaac Rodriguez, said he spotted Mosqueda on the connector ramp above as the fire raged.

"I believe he was in shock. He didn't know how badly he was burned," said Rodriguez, who added that he later regretted not trying to get someone to find Mosqueda and pick him up.

"It looked at one point like he was going to go back to the truck," Rodriguez said. "I told him, 'Get out of there!' "

Mosqueda has worked in the past with the Sacramento Valley chapter of Teen Challenge, an international Christian ministry that runs centers for people struggling with addiction and other "life-controlling" problems, according to Escalante.

"If he walked away, it's only because the Lord was with him," said Escalante...


29 posted on 04/30/2007 11:42:34 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Some facts for all of you

1: Hydrocarbon fire does not melt steel.

2: Freeways are jacketed and bound to their pillars using Re-bar cemented into Asphalt

3: Asphalt is flammable.

The steel did not melt, The Asphault connecting the freeway to the re-bar, which connects to the support pillar melted, causing collapse.

30 posted on 05/01/2007 4:40:07 AM PDT by md_60
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To: Chewbacca

Fact 1: Hydrocarbon fire does not melt steel.

Fact 2: Freeways are constructed with large amounts of Asphalt

Fact 3: Asphalt is flammable.

Asphalt support the free to the pillar melted causing collapse. The steel did not melt.

Like you could achieve blast furnace temperatures in a uncontrolled outdoor setting with only hydrocarbons.


31 posted on 05/01/2007 4:40:07 AM PDT by md_60
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To: farlander
You guys are gonna love this....

Trucker had history of arrests CHP official: Nothing in vehicle code prevents a felon from getting a commercial license

32 posted on 05/01/2007 4:41:58 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: md_60

You said, in part: Fact 1: Hydrocarbon fire does not melt steel.
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I am not questioning your claim, since I have little scientific knowledge myself, but isn’t the fire used by blacksmiths to heat steel for shaping a hydrocarbon fire?


33 posted on 05/01/2007 5:02:10 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: md_60
The steel did not melt,..
Many are confusing MELTING with "losing tensile strength."
These guys, for instance, got it wrong AND right -- in the same article!
From www.mercurynews.com:
...The crash sparked a series of explosions on the lower portion of the ramp where Mosqueda was driving from westbound Interstate 80 to southbound Interstate 880. The intense heat melted the steel screws on the upper deck of the ramp, which was built in the 1950s.

The freeway collapsed more or less for the same reasons that the World Trade Center towers did on Sept. 11, 2001, he said. The steel supports were baked at, and probably beyond, 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit, the point at which steel turns to rubber, said Astaneh, who studied the WTC collapse for the National Science Foundation and also studied the MacArthur Maze after the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake.

"When steel gets that warm, it loses its strength and can0not carry its load any more," he said...


34 posted on 05/01/2007 6:24:12 AM PDT by RonDog
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To: farlander
Rosie knows so much about civil engineering and failure mode analysis, let her design the next bridge.


35 posted on 05/01/2007 6:27:23 AM PDT by Fitzcarraldo (If the Moon was ignored, people would have traveled to Mars by now.)
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“I guess that should put a stop to conspiracy theories about 9/11 and all the nonsense that fire doesn't’t melt steel and concrete.”

"Absolutely not. This simply proves that Bush caused the freeway collapse, too."

God i hope you are being sarcastic... if not You all have nothing better to do than point the finger of blame at somebody...so first person you think of is the leader of the FREE world...yup makes sense to me... not

36 posted on 05/01/2007 10:56:35 AM PDT by sonrize3655
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To: sonrize3655

I failed to add /sarc


37 posted on 05/01/2007 11:17:40 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (Planting trees to offset carbon emissions is like drinking water to offset rising ocean levels)
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