Posted on 04/30/2007 9:46:40 AM PDT by neverdem
Oct. 16, 1991, Killeen, Texas -- 24 killed when a man drove his truck through a window of a Luby's Cafeteria and walked around the restaurant shooting people as they hid underneath their tables.
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As an airline pilot, I knew pilots who carried guns in their flight bags prior to 1987, when the Federal Aviation Administration effectively disarmed all pilots. I did not own guns then, and I thoughtlessly bought into the conventional wisdom that airliners should really be "gun-free zones." The September 11 attacks jarred my perspective, and I quickly came to realize that I had been living in a fool's paradise. I became a leader in the effort to arm airline pilots. Dire predictions of arguments turning into gunfights, accidental shootings and degradation of safety proved to be completely false. Instead, we have provided an essential layer of security as a deterrent to terrorists.
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There was legislation last year in the Virginia House of Delegates that would have allowed concealed guns on college campuses. When it was defeated, Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker said, "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." Did any of the victims of the massacre in their final moments feel secure, appreciative and safe knowing that guns were not allowed on campus? Or were they more likely praying that some fellow student or teacher had broken the rules and put a gun in their backpack?
There is nothing more tragic than laws intended to make us feel safer, when in reality they do just the opposite, especially when it is our children and our brightest college students who pay the final price for our failed policies.
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“nothing more tragic than laws intended to make us feel safer, when in reality they do just the opposite” This is the story of gun control since day one. It could make you very cynical.
Hincker should win this years 'Foot in Mouth' award.
This was the most foolhardy legislative bungling which has ever happened.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
“Hincker should win this years ‘Foot in Mouth’ award.”
Actually, we have no idea at all how Hincker personally felt about this. He is head of University Relations and so is the main spokesman for the position of the president and the board of trustees. That’s his job no matter what HE feels. If he does think guns should be allowed (I don’t know what he thinks, mind you), he can argue that in private with his bosses, but he can’t say that publicly unless he doesn’t want his job any longer.
“He will forever bear the sobriquet, “I Have Innocent Blood On My Hands.” I hope Hincker sleeps well at night now. “
Hincker did not decide no guns on campus should be the law and he did not formulate the president’s and board of trustees’ position on this. He was merely the person out front expressing his bosses’ opinion of the matter. Hincker had nothing to do with the death of these people.
"-- [fill in the name] had nothing to do with the death of these people --" is no longer an excuse.
The theory "--He was merely the person out front expressing his bosses opinion of the matter --" died with Goebbels.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
No law ever written has stopped any robber, rapist or killer, like cold blue steel in the hands of their last intended victim. — W. Emerson Wright
Oh give me a break. There’s no comparison and if you don’t know it, then you’re pretty thick. The spokesman for the Nazis was helping cover up and deny a holocaust, mass extermination. Larry Hincker was covering up nothing at all. Denying the right to carry on campus was done in the open at the GA.
Hincker didn’t kill the 32 murder victims. Cho did. Why do you feel the need to blame somebody else?
Here in Ohio it appears that the majority of the county Sheriffs also support Second Amendment rights. However, the head of the highway patrol, and a lot of the police chiefs do not.
Most all rank and file officers seem to, though many seem to get nervous when you start talking about individuals carrying guns. Due to the nature of their jobs, they are suspicious of individuals with guns. To a large extent I can't blame them from having some level of suspicion. They deal with the worst members of our society on a regular basis and a some level of paranoia is part of their job.
Because of that I don't look to the police for an impartial view on such issues. I still respect their opinions, but I tend to ask a few questions that might help me determine if their view is based on sound reasoning or a healthy level of paranoia.
Show me a rank and file cop who has ever refused an order to enforce anti-gun laws. The was one NYC cop on this forum who I asked outright if he would enforce them and he said hell yes. It wasn't his job to make laws just enforce them.
Larry Hincker was covering up nothing at all. Denying the right to carry on campus was done in the open at the GA.
Anti-constitutionalists like Hincker supported that denial of rights, and in that sense are 'covering up' their obligation to support and defend our Law of the Land.
Hincker didn't kill the 32 murder victims. Cho did.
Give us a break. -- Hincker supported the 'law/regulation' that gave Cho an opportunity to kill, unopposed.
Why do you feel the need to blame somebody else?
Because I want our local officials in the USA to honor their obligations to our BOR's. - Don't you?
“Hincker didn’t kill the 32 murder victims. Cho did. Why do you feel the need to blame somebody else?”
Your argument is a lot like the defense of the gatekeeper who is discovered opening the city gates to the enemy hord. He did not masacre his city, the barbarians did. But if he had not opened the gate, a lot of folk might still be breathing.
Gun free zones turn a half dozen dead into several dozen. For that those advocating the idea deserve blame.
“Gun free zones turn a half dozen dead into several dozen. For that those advocating the idea deserve blame.”
Then blame the trustees of every university in Virginia and the members of the GA. It’s silly nonsense to blame Hincker, who in no way is the “gatekeeper” who opened the gate.
Just Another Day with Gun Control
by Jim Houck,
Creative Director, Citizens Of America,
http://www.citizensofamerica.org/Default.htm
written 1/16/2000
The movie I went to see today, at the request of my film managers, was "Hurricane" starring Denzil Washington. I write feature films. I write TV ads for the largest advertising agencies on earth for clients like Toyota, Ford, Sony and Coke. I am the "Hollywood crowd" that the liberal press lies about so often.
I arrived early at the Torrance, California AMC 20 Theaters, so I bought my ticket and sat on a bench just outside the front lobby under a palm tree for about half an hour, enjoying the many different faces, the playing kids, the adults.
A flood of Californians streamed out suddenly. A young girl had been attacked by a criminal whom had just shot her.
"Is the shooter stopped?" I asked, reaching for my Heckler & Koch USP .45, running for the lobby with the intent to kill the criminal before he could injure or kill more of We the People.
"No, nobody can do anything! He's just walking around like he owns the place!" a California woman cried, trembling like a mouse before the lion. And indeed, the criminal did.
I ripped up my leather jacket and found my holster missing. I didn't have my .45 with me today. I'd opted not to take it just this one time at the advice of the local Californians, avoid the hassle of the California cops if they discover it, I thought, save the massive court costs of exercising my right. "Don't get caught, the street officers will hook you and book you and let the judges sort it out," a friend and local California police officer had told me repeatedly. Besides, it was three in the afternoon next door to Palos Verdes Estates, one of the most affluent and lowest crime areas in the United States. My decision to leave my self defense at home very likely cost the young man who would be shot next his life. I have extensive, combat firearms training. I've been in three gun battles with criminals in New Orleans and Miami in the defense of myself twice and a Miami police officer once, and I've never missed nor have I lost. The criminals did.
Of course the criminal didn't know these things. He didn't know he was in a "low crime" area and he didn't seem to care that it was three in the afternoon on a Sunday. All he knew was that he was operating in Senator Diane Feinstein's wet dream, a theater of perfect Gun Control. Not one citizen in the large crowd of moms, dads, young men or young women had a firearm with which to defend themselves. So they ran. But the funny thing is, they didn't run very fast and the certainly didn't run very far, in fact, many basically hurried and the stood around and complained about not being able to finish their show. You see, criminals being in full control is nothing new in California. It's not news. It didn't excite these folks.
I stopped outside the lobby doors. No gun. No way to fight this criminal, I thought.
The shooter fired again, dropping a young man next. Well, the California people voted this idiocy through, they repeatedly elect servants like Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer as state senators, people who take away their rights to self defense and the defense of their families, I thought, let them deal with the consequences of their decisions. Of course the criminal walked out the back of the AMC 20 Theaters and vanished long before the local police could wade through the Sunday traffic and do the paperwork. At least they were nice enough to come. They didn't have to. They responded as a "courtesy" according to the Supreme Court. They have no legal duty to protect the individual from criminal assault or murder. Something surprisingly few people know, especially in California.
I looked at the downed young man. He would die, judging from my own personal experiences as a shooter of over 20 years and where the criminal had injured him. The girl, barring very unusual circumstances, she would live, judging from where the criminal had injured her and her loss of blood.
The police put pressure on the injuries to try and reduce the bleeding from the criminal attack. Another courtesy service.
I sat back down on the bench and watched the Californians as they angrily demanded their ticket money be refunded, the victims of the criminal lying ten yards from them, moaning, dying.
A man with his wife in the line of angry movie patrons turned to me and growled, "I'm surprised Feinstein isn't here already. And the liberal mainstream press. You know, we carry our guns anyway and we didn't bring them today because it's such a hassle to have to hide them all the time from the local cops. What a bunch of shit. Just look at that guy. He's probably going to die."
Thanks, Senator Feinstein. As a resident of Florida, in Los Angeles working on feature film scripts with my L.A. based managers, it's interesting to see how your Prohibition on self defense, "Gun Control" works. Of course, had you been there to see "The Hurricane", your armed bodyguards would have used their semi-automatic, high capacity "assault weapons" to stop the criminal dead in his tracks, which is what the bastard richly deserved. Funny, Diane, with all your SB 23's and SB 15's and Prohibition on self defense, the criminal still badly hurt and perhaps killed two young kids who just went to see a movie on a quiet Sunday afternoon. Why call it "gun control?" Why not rename it "defenseless sheep" or the "citizen massacre laws?" Or maybe just simple "bullshit."
Wish you could have been there Diane to see how your idiotic laws work in real life. It was memorable.
Jim Houck
Los Angeles, California
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