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The Empire of Lies (The twenty-first century will not belong to China)
City Journal ^ | April 30, 2007 | Guy Sorman

Posted on 04/30/2007 1:14:39 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: Jeff Head
The Chinese have no naval tradition. In fact the two greatest episodes in Chinese naval history were the aborted attacks on Japan where the fleet went down in a huge storm.

My bet is that the Chinese navy is for defense and that as they have traditionally, they will go west through Russia, India etc.

The Russians are playing with fire by coddling China. The Dragon will attack the Bear when she is ready.

41 posted on 05/01/2007 5:22:23 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
I disagree that the PLAN will be purely defensive. They are building up all of the modern components necessary for a blue water navy, including the logistical assetts necessary to support and maintain their forces far from their shores, and the major combatants necessary to project power. (See: The Rising Sea Dragon in Asia.)

But it will take time to fully build and time to develop the policies and traditions necessary. During that time, we have the opportunity to blunt and even halt it far short of military confrontation...and as Reagen did with the Soviets, we should do with the ChiComms.

As to Russia and China, I tend to agree. I believe that ultimately, though they are working in concert against what they label to be a common adversary (us)...ultimately, there will not be enough room in eastern Asia for the two together, particulary and ultimately over the resources in Siberia.

42 posted on 05/01/2007 6:18:11 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

When I said “distorted”, I was refering to India. Tell me how India is a direct threat to the US?


43 posted on 05/01/2007 2:14:01 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
I didn’t.

But the neo-Soviet Union and Red China are trying to tug her in their direction.

44 posted on 05/01/2007 2:17:08 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
So that means pretty much the entire world is against you and want to see you knocked down? So who exactly is left as your ally? Groussherzogtum Lëtzebuerg......Grand-Duché de Luxembourg........ Großherzogtum Luxemburg?

“a lot of countries out there that hate America and want to see her knocked down.”

...Talk about victim-hood mentality and paranoia.

45 posted on 05/01/2007 2:20:37 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
You didn't what?

You think India or Indians (a billions of them) are a bunch of kids who can be pulled in whatever direction?

46 posted on 05/01/2007 2:23:02 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
I didn’t say India was a direct threat.

I think every nation looks out for its own interest. If the people of India decide they are better off allied with a new Soviet Union and China, don’t you think they’d expect their representatives to make that alliance happen?

It’s funny/sad how I make a simple declarative statement that is factually based and how you try to wrest that into an insult that will allow you to throw a hissy fit. I have a question for you. In the (very) hypothetical situation of America entering a military conflict with India, would you stay in America and support America, would you return to India and support India, or would you stay in America and support India?

47 posted on 05/01/2007 2:41:17 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
” If the people of India decide they are better off allied with a new Soviet Union and China, don’t you think they’d expect their representatives to make that alliance happen?”

So why hasn’t it happened yet?...or has it?

I agree with you that China, Islamic belt and South America are a threat to US. China and the Islamic belt are also a threat to India. Europe is a spent force, a dying continent and hence does not matter. And I don't agree India could be or would want to be a threat.

“In the (very) hypothetical situation of America entering a military conflict with India, would you stay in America and support America, would you return to India and support India, or would you stay in America and support India?”

That question is just too stupid to warrant an answer. You might as well ask a Singaporean tourist in US as to what he/she would do if there is a war between US and Singapore. Sometime you outclass yourself when it comes to stupidity. I bet at least you are impressed how creative you can be with your stupidity.

48 posted on 05/01/2007 4:04:22 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
Your little hissy fit is hilarious, Gengis Khammunist.

I posted a bump to myself to research some info, and you come running in from the playground crying like a baby because you thought maybe someone insulted the policies of India. GASP!!! Horror of horrors!!

The overall purpose of FR is to defend America. If your loyalties are not with America, then you ought to leave. Buh-bye. Don’t let the door smack you on the way out.

And it is really funny how you Socialists/Communists/Leftists always project. When someone objects to being robbed, you call them cheap and selfish. When someone raises concern about an imbalance in trade and a loss of jobs, suddenly their “commies.”

You are acting like an insecure little child. You need to grow up, tinkerbell.

51 posted on 05/02/2007 11:25:03 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Gengis Khan
Pretty funny, tinkerbell.

You continually accuse others of what you are guilty of.

What are you, about 12 years old? 13?

No wonder the country is so tired of the immigration system, both legal and illegal, when so many who hate America and only want to take, take, take, are in our faces about what they are going to take, take, take.

53 posted on 05/02/2007 11:52:41 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
Wow it takes a big-time whinier and a niggle to take offense to all my comments and have them removed. Even a 12 year old is more grown up then you are.

I dont hate America, I only enjoy playing around with lil pointy-headed pricks.

“and only want to take, take, take, are in our faces about what they are going to take, take, take.”

And what about guys (such as myself) who are investing money in your country and contribution to your economic growth, and also to your industry so that some like you can enjoy the fruits of your country’s economic growth by at least making your useful, trading whatever paltry skills you have or if not then by chewing on government doles?

Dont you even for a second accept the fact that, “those people” you rant against......... are actually doing a service to your country by contributing to your country’s economy, scientific and technological research,industry and are also creating jobs? (60% of the enterprenerurial startup companies in the silicon valley are founded by Indians).

54 posted on 05/02/2007 5:07:45 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
That’s nice, tinkerbell.

Grow up.

55 posted on 05/02/2007 5:59:05 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Gengis Khan

Don’t you even for a second...blah blah blah.

Why don’t you take it all back with you to India? They need the help more than we do. Oh, that’s right. You ditched your homeland for some cash.


56 posted on 05/02/2007 6:01:02 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Its my money bozo! I get to decide what to do with it.


57 posted on 05/02/2007 8:16:10 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

Yawn.


58 posted on 05/02/2007 8:35:17 PM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

You seem tired. Time for you to take a leak and go to bed Ghost of pussy.


59 posted on 05/02/2007 9:29:10 PM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
That’s about as intelligent and mature as anything you’ve written.
60 posted on 05/03/2007 5:35:56 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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